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31 minutes ago, Clegane'sPup said:

Arghhhhhhhhhhh  u 2 (LV & LM) I couldn't help myself when I saw the word Sheldon. I hadda contribute.

There is a reason why I don't watch that show. It is not all that fun if you actually are one of the characters depicted therein.

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1 hour ago, Lord Varys said:

It is a work of fiction written by a man who repeatedly confessed that he doesn't like to write stuff when he knows the ending or all the details. A man who said he knows the broad strokes where the story is going but has no idea what's going to happen to a lot of minor characters.

Granted the big bang tv show may be offensive to some and comical to others.

Think about what you said ^ above for uno monento.

 

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3 hours ago, Lord Varys said:

There is a reason why I don't watch that show. It is not all that fun if you actually are one of the characters depicted therein.

:lol:

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On 12/18/2015 at 3:00 PM, Lost Melnibonean said:

Admittedly, there is little reason to assume that Lord Randyll of House Tarly would turn against Mace Tyrell and join Aegon, whom Randyll believes to be a feigned boy. Randyll has been Mace’s war chief for years, and along with Mathis Rowan and Paxter Redwyne, Randyll Tarly appears to be one of Mace’s closest allies. However, Kevan suggested to Cersei how Randyll or Mathis could be turned, at least subtly, by naming one of them Hand and thereby making him her own. Aegon could scarcely do better in war than Randyll since Kevan described Randyll as the finest soldier in the realm, and once Aegon finds out that his current Hand has greyscale, he’s likely to kick Jon Connington to the curb. Beneath the surface Randyll may resent Mace for taking credit for his prowess in battle. Although Tarly backed Rhaenyra in the Dance of the Dragons, Randyll has suggested that women should content themselves with dancing and giving birth and not make war or play at soldier. Randyll has also showed great disdain for soft, plump, little boys like Tommen.

(ETA Here's another reason Tarly might turn on Tyrell... Dickon's potential claim on Brightwater. You see Alester Florent and his son Alekyne were dispossessed of Brightwater after the Battle of the Blackwater. Alester Florent's eldest daughter, however, is Dickon's mum.) 

On the other hand, Randyll might not be calling the shots after the impending battle between Storm's End and Bronzegate.

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As well, there are reliable reports of Aegon and his sister Visenya visiting the Citadel of Oldtown in their youth, and hawking on the Arbor as guests of Lord Redwyne.

The Reign of the Dragons, TWOIAF

Hmm... So, Houses Hightower and Redwyne have a history of relations with foreign dragons....

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On 9/27/2016 at 3:32 PM, Lost Melnibonean said:

But not House Caswell...

Tyrion III, Dance 8

The Griffin Reborn, Dance 61

So, even though House Caswell participated in the Traitors' Tourney, I would guess that Lord Lorent Caswell would be disinclined to support Aegon. 

And the greens came down pretty hard on House Caswell during the Dance of the Dragons...

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As piteous as Jaehaerys’s death was, that of little Prince Maelor, who did not long survive his brother, was worse. Ser Rickard Thorne of the Kingsguard was dispatched to carry Maelor away in secret to Oldtown, where he would be secure in the Hightower, but at Bitterbridge he was stopped and brought down by a mob. Maelor himself was torn apart at Bitterbridge as the men and women of the mob each struggled to claim the infant as his own prize. When Lord Hightower razed Bitterbridge in revenge and came to exact justice on Lady Caswell, she begged mercy for her children before hanging herself from her castle walls.

The Targaryen Kings, TWOIAF

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On 8/25/2016 at 11:11 PM, Lost Melnibonean said:

So, I got the idea for these Reach houses backing Aegon from a box in TWOIAF that listed eleven houses descended from Garth Greenhand. Well, there's another box in TWOIAF, for six Dornish king's sent to the Wall where they would have taken the black. Since Martell appears likely to back Aegon in the Second Dance of the Dragons, perhaps these Dornish houses will defy Martell and follow Daenerys against Aegon...

Yronwood Daenerys I, Game 3, we learned that Dorne was one of the regions of Westeros, and that Princess Elia of Dorne and her children were murdered during the Sack of King’s Landing. The first time we learned of House Martell’s existence was in Sansa  V, Game 57, when Joffrey commanded “Doran Martell, Prince of Dorne, and all his sons,” “to present themselves and swear their fealty to Joffrey,” or to “be adjudged traitors, their lands and titles forfeit to the throne.” Varys told us in Eddard XV, Game 58 that the Martells still brood on the murder of Princess Elia and her babes. So, we knew that there was blood between Houses Martell and Lannister. Until his premature death, Dorne was generally expected to back Renly, but in Tyrion IV, Clash 17, we learned that Doran Martell had called his banners, but had so far remained aloof from the War of the Five Kings. From the Appendix to Game, we knew that Houses Yronwood, Fowler, and Dayne were among eight principal houses sworn to House Martell of Dorne. In The Tales of Dunk and Egg, we bagan to see the rivalry between Dorne and the Marcher Lords of the Stormlands, and notwithstanding the physical descriptions of the Daynes, we learned that Dornishmen tended to have olive skin and dark hair. In Tyrion V, Clash 20, we began to learn that Dorne had a rivalry with the Reach as well as the Marcher Lords. To win House Martell’s allegiance, Tyrion offered to wed Myrcella to Trystane and deliver her into Doran’s power. He also offered Doran a seat on the Small Council and justice for Elia Martell. Interestingly, before Renly’s death, Doran accepted Tyrion’s proposal. Tyrion sent Aerys Oakheart with Myrcella to Dorne, but he understood that Dorne would not march on Stannis or Tyrell. In Sansa I, Storm 6, we learned that Oberyn Martell crippled Willas Tyrell in a tourney mishap several years earlier, and in Tyrion III, Storm 19, we learned that Mace still held the grudge. Tyrion told us in Tyrion V, Storm 38 that there salty Dornishmen lived along the coasts, sandy Dornishmen lived in the deserts and long river valleys, and stony Dornishmen made their fastnesses in the passes and heights of the Red Mountains. The salty Dornishmen had the most Rhoynish blood, and the stony Dornishmen the least. After meeting Oberyn, and later Arianne, we realized that Houses Yronwood, Dayne, Fowler, Blackmont, and Mandwoody were stony Dornishmen, and House Martell were salty Dornishmen. And we learned that there was blood between House Yronwood and Oberyn Martell. Doran sent Oberyn, the saltiest Dornishman of all, to claim Doran’s seat on the council and accept the Lannister justice Tyrion promised. When Tywin tried to appease Oberyn by naming the deceased Amory Lorch for the murders of Elia and her children, Oberyn likely poisoned Tywin secretly, and then offered to stand for Tyrion against Gregor for Cersei in Tyrion’s trial by battle for the murder of Joffrey. In the Appendix to Storm, we learned that the Lord of Yronwood was named Anders. In The Captain of the Guards, Feast 2, we learned that Doran had a host in the Prince's Pass, and Lord Anders had another in the Boneway. In payment for the Yronwood blood Oberyn had spilled, Doran sent his son Quentyn to foster at Yronwood, where he served as page and squire and took his knighthood. And we learned that House Yronwood rode with Bittersteel during three of the Blackfyre Rebellions, presumably, against House Martell. Arianne expected to have to fight House Yronwood eventually over the question of Dornish succession, and she told us that Yronwood was the most powerful Martell bannerman. Doran told us that Anders was more of a father to Quentyn than Doran was. On Doran’s order, Anders’s heir Cletus, Yronwood’s maester, and three of Lord Yronwood's best young knights were dispatched with Quentyn on a long and perilous voyage, with an uncertain welcome at its end. All but Archibald Yronwood and Gerris Drinkwater would perish. Before he died, Quentyn noted that Anders had sent his own son to keep Quentyn safe. Although Gerris blamed Quentyn’s failure on Daenerys, Archibald, who impressed Barristan as the true steel, did not appear to blame her, instead looking to aid Barristan so they might return to Dorne. In Winds, Arriane suggests that there is a rivalry between the Sand Snakes and House Yronwood, and that she has always been closer to the Sand Snakes.

Dayne Since Gerold Dayne was blamed for the death of Arys Oakheart, and since Daynes have been killing Oakhearts for thousands of years, it seems likely that these two houses could stand against each other in the Second Dance of the Dragons. House Dayne and House Hightower also have a history of fighting against each other. There's also the history with House Martell. Nymeria took the Sword of the Morning as her third successive consort. However, Martell's daughter, not Dayne's son, succeeded Nymeria as ruler of Dorne. 

Fowler We really don't know much about House Fowler, but we do know that traditionally, House Fowler is as great a house as Yronwood and Dayne. Like House Dayne, they joined Nymeria and House Martell against House Yronwood after their king had been sent off to take the black. Nymeria Sand is very close to the Fowler twins, and Lord Franklin Fowler has never gotten along with Anders Yronwood. 

Uller The Ullers “raised a grim, stinking seat beside the sulfurous yellow waters of the Brimstone” The World of Iace and Fire. Like Houses Dayne and Fowler, House Uller joined Nymeria against House Yronwood after she had sent it’s lord off to take the black. Before she wed a Dayne, Nymeria wed an Uller, but it does not appear that they had any sons. Harmen Uller, Lord of Hellholt, and his brother Ser Ulwyck accompanied Oberyn to King’s Landing, and Ellaria Sand, Oberyn’s paramour and mother of the youngest sandsnakes, was the natural daughter of Harmen. Ellaria worshiped a Lysene love goddess. This Lysene Love goddess could be the Weeping Lady of Lys. If so, the author might be drawing a connection between love and death. Arianne intended to crown Myrcella at Hellholt. When Arianne pondered which house other than Yronwood might cow her father, she settled on Fowler and Uller. She decided to approach Fowler though since, “Half of the Ullers are half-mad, the saying went, and the other half are worse.” Although Doran said, “Ellaria and her daughters are happily ensconced at the Water Gardens,” Arianne noted that Harmen was probably upset by Doran’s imprisoning Ellaria and the youngest of the sandsnakes. The Princess in the Tower, Feast 40. Along with Dagos Manwoody and the Fowler twins, the Ullers declined Ricasso’s toast on behalf of Doran in The Watcher, Dance. Realizing that unrest was coming to Dorne, Ellaria scattered her four sandsnakes, taking Loreza with her to Hellholt, leaving Dorea at the Water Gardens to play in the pools and Obella at Sunspear to serve as a cupbearer, and sending Elia off with Arianne. Would three little natural granddaughters born of his own natural daughter be sufficient hostages to prevent House Uller from Aegon? 

Blackmont would be especially interesting since "Lady Blackmont's brood" is at the Water Gardens guarded by only ten spears. Those are interesting details the author gave us. Fluff? Since Lady Larra Blackmont accompanied Oberyn to King’s Landing with her daughter Jynessa and her son Perros, I would assume Jynessa and Perros are the brood at the Water Gardens. Notably, House Blackmont continued to fight with House Yronwood against House Martell, even after Nymeria had thrown down their king. Along with Houses Yronwood, Fowler, and Manwoody, House Blackmont had a long history of fighting with the Marcher Lords.

Manwoody The seat of House Manwoody of Kingsgave could be a hint that they will fight against a soon to be King Aegon. Lord Dagos Manwoody, his brother Ser Myles, his sons Mors and Dickon all accompanied Oberyn to King’s Landing. Along with the Fowler twins and the Ullers, Dagos declined Ricasso’s toast on behalf of Doran in The Watcher, Dance.

But not House Gragalen, where Prince Doran squired in his youth, and whose arms bear a red cockatrice with a black snake in it's beak. 

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Later it passed to a crippled knight named Long Jon Heddle, who took up ironworking when he grew too old to fight. He forged a new sign for the yard, a three-headed dragon of black iron that he hung from a wooden post. The beast was so big it had to be made in a dozen pieces, joined with rope and wire. When the wind blew it would clank and clatter, so the inn became known far and wide as the Clanking Dragon."

Brienne VII, Feast 37

How many of Garth's children were celebrated? Why, twelve. Hmm...

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How important are really the friends in the reach?

When the tyrell and lannister aliance hinges on margery's life and varys is lurking in KL wanting to create chaos? Even if cersei doesn t act I think it is obvious that varys will do something to break the aliance. Then with the IB attacking oldtown the tyrells will have a motive to leave KL.

I seriously think that arianne will seduce Aegon and convince him to marry her so that dorne and the GC will march to KL protected only by the lannisters and angry smallfolk because they loved marg... In the end I think Aegon won t even have to figh. The smallfolk of KL will revolt and open the city to him.

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2 hours ago, divica said:

How important are really the friends in the reach?

When the tyrell and lannister aliance hinges on margery's life and varys is lurking in KL wanting to create chaos? Even if cersei doesn t act I think it is obvious that varys will do something to break the aliance. Then with the IB attacking oldtown the tyrells will have a motive to leave KL.

I seriously think that arianne will seduce Aegon and convince him to marry her so that dorne and the GC will march to KL protected only by the lannisters and angry smallfolk because they loved marg... In the end I think Aegon won t even have to figh. The smallfolk of KL will revolt and open the city to him.

As you know, Garlan Tyrell has already taken a lot of Mace's men to the Reach. Have you read the two Arianne spoiler chapters from Winds? 

Spoiler

Mace Tyrell, or at least a big part of the forces he still had in King's Landing have already left the city to confront Aegon at Storm's End

 

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4 minutes ago, Lost Melnibonean said:

As you know, Garlan Tyrell has already taken a lot of Mace's men to the Reach. Have you read the two Arianne spoiler chapters from Winds? 

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Mace Tyrell, or at least a big part of the forces he still had in King's Landing have already left the city to confront Aegon at Storm's End

 

And I find that extremelly odd.

If mace couldn t take storms end from stannis he thinks he can take it from the GC? And he is planning to stay away from KL during months while he is at the doors of SE? 

Taking into account how dangerous KL is right now it doesn t make sense to send away most of his forces. Even worse.the GC could leave SE with a token force and attack by boat KL...

I think we will see a show. jon con wants to make Aegon seem more powerful than he really is to ariane. So the soldiers that were surrounding SE will become the army mace sent and when Aegon rides out to batle them they will surrender because he is the rightful king. All taken care off jon con.

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