The Case for Jon & Dany

[A spoon of knife and fork]

It's only embarrassing if you think it's important who is who's kid. If both were married to Dany, there shouldn't be an issue of each wanting to support his own kid. Because they are all one family and all of the trio's kids, regardless of daddy, are royal. One of the fathers supporting one of the kids over the other would only cause strife. In fact that's exactly the sort of thing that started the Dance of Dragons. 

In this case not knowing who is who's could actually make a much smoother succession, as there is now no way of knowing who is of pure Targ and who is of Blackfyre descent. In that light Dany marrying both Aegon and Jon would actually be an elegant way to solve the Blackfyre issue for good. (Not that I think this will happen.)

while I agree with this mostly, it seems likely if they kid has brown hair and horse-face that he's probably Jons...    If it looks like a targ it will be harder to tell.

so it may ultimately depend on everyone being comfortable with the arrangement. 

Also it's not like Jon having two wives instead would get rid of this problem.  Aegons succession was hardly conflict-free.

[kimim]

OH MY GOD DANY'S NOT A VIRGIN THEREFORE SHE HAS NO POLITICAL FUTURE!!!!

And if she does GRRM is just being inconsistent and pleasing the feminists! 

WTF. Dany has dragons. And she's about to have all the Dothraki. Anyone taking issue with her sexual history can take it up with Drogon or any number of khals. Dany needs zero amount of marriage to take over Westeros, and if she does make a marriage alliance it will be about the power she herself brings to the table, not about her virginity. 

Jesus H. Christ.

The feminists have already ruined everything, sorry, there's no going back now. 

oh ffs. I detest Dany with a passion, but ita. Who gives a fuck about the chastity of an author-blessed Mary Sue with triple dragons, the Unsullied, the Dothraki, and probably the Volantene fleet?????????????

On top of that, Dany is hardly promiscuous. Drogo, her husband, and the unbearable Daario are it for her. Her sexual history will have no bearing on whether she gets with Jon, or whether she becomes queen.

[OldGimletEye]

Suppose one is an important lord in Westeros, and given the opportunity to marry Daenerys, or Arianne.  The pros are that they're beautiful, multi-millionaires, and will propel your family to new heights of influence.  The con is that they aren't virgins.  I think that's the kind of decision that makes itself.

Well, they may not like football. So, let's not conclude a marriage to either one is a good deal just yet.

[purple-eyes]

It's only embarrassing if you think it's important who is who's kid. If both were married to Dany, there shouldn't be an issue of each wanting to support his own kid. Because they are all one family and all of the trio's kids, regardless of daddy, are royal. One of the fathers supporting one of the kids over the other would only cause strife. In fact that's exactly the sort of thing that started the Dance of Dragons. 

In this case not knowing who is who's could actually make a much smoother succession, as there is now no way of knowing who is of pure Targ and who is of Blackfyre descent. In that light Dany marrying both Aegon and Jon would actually be an elegant way to solve the Blackfyre issue for good. (Not that I think this will happen.)

this is anti human nature. You can surely imagine a happy life of one wife and two husbands with their uncertain children in a fantasy. But Grrm tried to be realistic on his story. This scenario has not even happened in the real history.  It is the nature of human who wanted to figure out if this is his blood and bond more with his own blood because this is how he knew his genes are passed. No man wanted to openly live in this public threesome marriage without even knowing who is his blood. This is why king can have a lot of wives but no queen did this. No matter how powerful she is.  It is quite ridiculous. 

 

[Blind Beth the Cat Lady]

this is anti human nature. You can surely imagine a happy life of one wife and two husbands with their uncertain children in a fantasy. But Grrm tried to be realistic on his story. This scenario has not even happened in the real history.  It is the nature of human who wanted to figure out if this is his blood and bond more with his own blood because this is how he knew his genes are passed. No man wanted to openly live in this public threesome marriage without even knowing who is his blood. This is why king can have a lot of wives but no queen did this. No matter how powerful she is.  It is quite ridiculous. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyandry

Note especially fraternal polyandry, which, if Aegon is actually real and R+L=J, then a polyandric marriage of Jon/Dany/Aegon would fit the real-life situation described, which is used IRL for pretty much what I speculated about above, i.e. solving tricky inheritance problems. 

Even if Jon & Aegon are simply cousins of some remove, effect would be the same: a child considered to be both of theirs would inherit, making it unnecessary to bicker over splitting an inheritance. e.g. the throne. 

[Blind Beth the Cat Lady]

Again, I don't really think that's going to happen, but I'm bristling at the implication that men are naturally possessive but women aren't. Not so. Men are simply traditionally given the privilege of being possessive while women are forced to be pragmatic.

[kimim]

this is anti human nature. You can surely imagine a happy life of one wife and two husbands with their uncertain children in a fantasy. But Grrm tried to be realistic on his story. This scenario has not even happened in the real history.  It is the nature of human who wanted to figure out if this is his blood and bond more with his own blood because this is how he knew his genes are passed. No man wanted to openly live in this public threesome marriage without even knowing who is his blood. This is why king can have a lot of wives but no queen did this. No matter how powerful she is.  It is quite ridiculous. 

 

But you're assuming that in this threesome the male will be the head, and therefore will want to know which kids are his. What if the woman leads? She would have no problem figuring out that the kids are her own, obviously, and wouldn't care beyond that.

ita that GRRM tried to make his world as real as possible, but that doesn't change the fact that he's still writing fantasy. Targs are a group with inhuman coloring and beauty, with some weird connection to the dragons, who are themselves magical. They're a dynasty that practiced incest for generations without bearing the brunt of it, genetically. GRRM himself says that the genetics of Westeros are not like ours.

[purple-eyes]

But you're assuming that in this threesome the male will be the head, and therefore will want to know which kids are his. What if the woman leads? She would have no problem figuring out that the kids are her own, obviously, and wouldn't care beyond that.

ita that GRRM tried to make his world as real as possible, but that doesn't change the fact that he's still writing fantasy. Targs are a group with inhuman coloring and beauty, with some weird connection to the dragons, who are themselves magical. They're a dynasty that practiced incest for generations without bearing the brunt of it, genetically. GRRM himself says that the genetics of Westeros are not like ours.

this book is not based on matriarchal culture. In that type of culture, woman is leader of family and they do not care who is the father as long as the kid is hers. 

But in this book, obviously people care. This why man can marry many wives because generally he knows all children are his. But if a woman marry many husbands, then it is very uncertain. It shakes the foundation of this society. 

I fail to see grrm would allow this happen. A middle age society can not suddenly turn into a matriarchal society just because dany is powerful with dragons. Valyria itself is not like that either when they had 300 dragons. 

But it would be fun to imagine dany married both jon and aegon or tyrion. 

Jon: this is my kid right? I slept with her nine months ago. 

Aegon: but he has silver hair. It is mine. I also slept with her at the similar time. 

Jon: my father also had silver hair, he could get it from grandfather. 

Aegon: all right, but his face also looks like me. 

Jon: I do not think so. He likes me more. Hey, aegon, how about you stop sleeping with her for a few months? I need a kid with stark blood to inherit winterfell. 

Aegon: I am ok but she sometimes came to me without notice. And how do you know you can knock her up successfully over a few months? What if it took one year? 

Jon: then I will let you have her for the same time to make sure it is your child. 

Aegon: deal! 

 

 

 

 

 

[kimim]

this book is not based on matriarchal culture. In that type of culture, woman is leader of family and they do not care who is the father as long as the kid is hers. 

But in this book, obviously people care. This why man can marry many wives because generally he knows all children are his. But if a woman marry many husbands, then it is very uncertain. It shakes the foundation of this society. 

I fail to see grrm would allow this happen. A middle age society can not suddenly turn into a matriarchal society just because dany is powerful with dragons. Valyria itself is not like that either when they had 300 dragons. 

...

I agree that this is not a matriarchal culture. However, Dany is written to be special, one reason why I dislike her. For Dany, GRRM will make exceptions. Anything is possible for her, including taking over with multiple husbands.

[purple-eyes]

I agree that this is not a matriarchal culture. However, Dany is written to be special, one reason why I dislike her. For Dany, GRRM will make exceptions. Anything is possible for her, including taking over with multiple husbands.

she is Mary Sue, this true. But it seems quite hard to believe Grrm will make her have two husbands at the same time. 

[LiveFirstDieLater]

Pretty sure that the original plot was for Jon to end up with his two sisters Dany and Arya, but that George has made changes since then.

just look at the last two letters of each name:

Jon - Aegon

Arya - Visenya

Danaerys - Rhenys

the hair and temperament even fit...

but like I said, I think that this may no longer be the case... As George realized people aren't as cool with the whole incest thing as he is... But then again I'm also of the crackpot believe that Dany is also R+L, lemongate, and there was time for two babies at the ToJ... So you know, grain of salt and all that

[kimim]

she is Mary Sue, this true. But it seems quite hard to believe Grrm will make her have two husbands at the same time. 

I don't believe she'll be queen at the end. IF she is, though, imo anything is possible.

[Jon's Queen Consort]

Danaerys - Rhenys

You mean that a very old yoman will say to her STFU&GTFO of Dorne and then the Dornish will kill her with her dragon? 

Pretty sure that the original plot was for Jon to end up with his two sisters Dany and Arya, but that George has made changes since then.

How is both Dany and Arya his sisters? 

[LiveFirstDieLater]

 

How is both Dany and Arya his sisters? 

well he grows up with Arya, and calls her his sister already in Dance, but technically they are cousins by blood if R+L=J... Dany, I think, is the child of R+L just like Jon (9months younger than Jon)... But that's another story

[Dark Syster]

Pretty sure that the original plot was for Jon to end up with his two sisters Dany and Arya, but that George has made changes since then.

just look at the last two letters of each name:

Jon - Aegon

Arya - Visenya

Danaerys - Rhenys

the hair and temperament even fit...

but like I said, I think that this may no longer be the case... As George realized people aren't as cool with the whole incest thing as he is... But then again I'm also of the crackpot believe that Dany is also R+L, lemongate, and there was time for two babies at the ToJ... So you know, grain of salt and all that

Well damn. I didn't notice that before. I don't think it'll happen and I still am not confident enough to say that this is what grrm had in mind in the beginning, but it's a neat thing to think about. It'd make for an interesting premise to an AU.

[Blind Beth the Cat Lady]

she is Mary Sue, this true. But it seems quite hard to believe Grrm will make her have two husbands at the same time. 

Yeah, I hate Mary Sue's. Queen Elizabeth I and Cleopatra are especially annoying.

[purple-eyes]

The problem with jon having two wives is that, why do you think dany would endure sharing her husband with another woman, who obviously was also favored by jon over dany? 

Do you think dany can accept it? 

[kimim]

Yeah, I hate Mary Sue's. Queen Elizabeth I and Cleopatra are especially annoying.

Elizabeth I ruled on her own. She was not married, so did not have to share her rule with a male, much less with two males.

[Ser Creighton]

Well, they may not like football. So, let's not conclude a marriage to either one is a good deal just yet.

Not like football? I don't understand, they love football and are huge fans. After all Martin is a huge fan of football, and there are actual football references in the series. Wun Wun? Number 11 Phil Simms. A man or woman can have many significant others, multiple family members, no children or lots of children. But there is only one Football and it will always be there for you.

Ser Me. Boo Hoo, my wife left me after 15 years, my kids hate me, I lost my job, sniffle, sniffle. Sniff, Sniff, do I smell nachos? Sniff Sniff, are those hot wings too? Do I detect the delicate fragrance of Italian beefs? Is that delicious beer I here being pored? Wings? Beefs? Nachos? And Beer? On a Sunday Afternoon???? Football has come back to rescue me.

Vodka Gimlets red eyes: I though you were depressed?

Ser Me: No talky eating, football, happy.

Besides, Martin is heading in that direction and has been since thrones. Weather it ends happily ever after is another matter, who knows neither may survive. One may survive, although I call bullshit on people complaining about what if it is a happy ending. We already know it will be bitter sweet and most people on this site have head canon involving whoever it is they are drawn to into a happy ending or the ending they want. GNC has Jon getting everything they want handed to him. From Pawn to Player has Sansa becoming a self made super power who becomes Queen of everything ever. Arya can go in a few directions with fans, some want Arya and Jon, some want Super Ninja Arya who destroys all her enemies with a sweep of her sword and saves everyone while leading an army of Wolves. Some have Robb alive inside Greywind on his way to Sansa to replace lady.

But Jon and Dany is going to far? Well that is just too much. It probably the most realistic all those things. People who are insulted by the idea of two of the more attractive characters hooking up, right because that is a reason not too? It wrong because they are both significant characters? It would gross me out because they should not be happy? I am sure that part of the fan base that lends it self to the more emo themed aspects may not want any happiness, but they have gotten misery for decades, it's okay to have some happiness. It's not a crime, it's not even offensive after this much misery. Not saying rainbows shooting out of peoples eyes but some happiness is okay.

For some people it is very offensive, the idea of these two, given how obvious it is and always has been I would say you probably invested in the wrong series, it is not that complex.

See these pictures? She is not in blue by accident, and she is not with Kit by accident. Book or show it has never been hard to pick up on.

http://orig09.deviantart.net/48d8/f/2013/142/f/4/daenerys_and_jon_snow_by_eiliestl-d668ca7.png

It's like R+L=J it's not nearly as big of a mystery as some people think, or want it to be. It's really not a big deal. Like anyone was wondering if Dany would hatch those Dragon eggs the moment after she got them? You all knew what was going to happen. Like anyone is like omg Jon is really dead and never, ever, ever coming back. Oh such a mystery. Did anyone actually think Robb was going to win?

I mean I have seen some stretches, like the Others are a red herring, Dany is a red herring, the Others are actually super friendly and this all just a mix up, Dany does not have real Dragons, the real Dragon is at Winterfell sleeping these last few hundred or thousands of years. But Jon and Dany? Gosh who would of thunk that? No, Arya will coming riding in on Nymeria to defeat the others using her sword needle which was forged with love and every time she stabs a Wight or an Other there souls are returned and an angel gets it's wings. She will sweep Jon off his feet and and they will live in eternal bliss forever, and it will be bitter sweet because Sansa won't get Jon and will be Jelly.

Dany is a Mary Sue? Well outside of the loneliness, being sold, raped, child abuse, orphan, wars, slavers, losing her child, and having no family, everything has been going her way. So much fun and everything is so easy and works out so perfectly for her all the time.

While nobody else ever gets anything handed to them. Sure she is the mother of Dragons, and really it seems fans get jealous mostly over that. Well someone had to get the dragons, that is part of the story. Not everyone gets to have one, that is just the way it is. Yes the author had a dragon queen all set to go. Rather large part of the story, Aegon got the Gold Company, Jon got Ghost, Dragonglass, Sam, Longclaw, the Lord Commander, an army of Wildlings, the Bank of Braavos. Probably the greatest miracle in the books. Hi I own nothing and have no credit, can we have a bunch of gold and your ships, and I will give a guide and a Donkey in return. Thanks for that, that's awesome, you're the best Tycho. He has had two armies fall into his lap, and a small fleet? 

 "I hate this, I hate this, I hate this, I hate this, it better turn out the way my theory is or I will burn my books."

Some people need to stop reading the books, and start watching more football, they will love it. See you get some happiness instead of total hatred. But not always totally happy because your team does not win every week, and all the other games, it's a roller coaster of bliss and bile.

 

 

 

 

[OldGimletEye]

Not like football? I don't understand, they love football and are huge fans. After all Martin is a huge fan of football, and there are actual football references in the series. Wun Wun? Number 11 Phil Simms. A man or woman can have many significant others, multiple family members, no children or lots of children. But there is only one Football and it will always be there for you.

Ser Me. Boo Hoo, my wife left me after 15 years, my kids hate me, I lost my job, sniffle, sniffle. Sniff, Sniff, do I smell nachos? Sniff Sniff, are those hot wings too? Do I detect the delicate fragrance of Italian beefs? Is that delicious beer I here being pored? Wings? Beefs? Nachos? And Beer? On a Sunday Afternoon???? Football has come back to rescue me.

Vodka Gimlets red eyes: I though you were depressed?

Ser Me: No talky eating, football, happy.

Besides, Martin is heading in that direction and has been since thrones. Weather it ends happily ever after is another matter, who knows neither may survive. One may survive, although I call bullshit on people complaining about what if it is a happy ending. We already know it will be bitter sweet and most people on this site have head canon involving whoever it is they are drawn to into a happy ending or the ending they want. GNC has Jon getting everything they want handed to him. From Pawn to Player has Sansa becoming a self made super power who becomes Queen of everything ever. Arya can go in a few directions with fans, some want Arya and Jon, some want Super Ninja Arya who destroys all her enemies with a sweep of her sword and saves everyone while leading an army of Wolves. Some have Robb alive inside Greywind on his way to Sansa to replace lady.

But Jon and Dany is going to far? Well that is just too much. It probably the most realistic all those things. People who are insulted by the idea of two of the more attractive characters hooking up, right because that is a reason not too? It wrong because they are both significant characters? It would gross me out because they should not be happy? I am sure that part of the fan base that lends it self to the more emo themed aspects may not want any happiness, but they have gotten misery for decades, it's okay to have some happiness. It's not a crime, it's not even offensive after this much misery. Not saying rainbows shooting out of peoples eyes but some happiness is okay.

For some people it is very offensive, the idea of these two, given how obvious it is and always has been I would say you probably invested in the wrong series, it is not that complex.

See these pictures? She is not in blue by accident, and she is not with Kit by accident. Book or show it has never been hard to pick up on.

http://orig09.deviantart.net/48d8/f/2013/142/f/4/daenerys_and_jon_snow_by_eiliestl-d668ca7.png

It's like R+L=J it's not nearly as big of a mystery as some people think, or want it to be. It's really not a big deal. Like anyone was wondering if Dany would hatch those Dragon eggs the moment after she got them? You all knew what was going to happen. Like anyone is like omg Jon is really dead and never, ever, ever coming back. Oh such a mystery. Did anyone actually think Robb was going to win?

I mean I have seen some stretches, like the Others are a red herring, Dany is a red herring, the Others are actually super friendly and this all just a mix up, Dany does not have real Dragons, the real Dragon is at Winterfell sleeping these last few hundred or thousands of years. But Jon and Dany? Gosh who would of thunk that? No, Arya will coming riding in on Nymeria to defeat the others using her sword needle which was forged with love and every time she stabs a Wight or an Other there souls are returned and an angel gets it's wings. She will sweep Jon off his feet and and they will live in eternal bliss forever, and it will be bitter sweet because Sansa won't get Jon and will be Jelly.

Dany is a Mary Sue? Well outside of the loneliness, being sold, raped, child abuse, orphan, wars, slavers, losing her child, and having no family, everything has been going her way. So much fun and everything is so easy and works out so perfectly for her all the time.

While nobody else ever gets anything handed to them. Sure she is the mother of Dragons, and really it seems fans get jealous mostly over that. Well someone had to get the dragons, that is part of the story. Not everyone gets to have one, that is just the way it is. Yes the author had a dragon queen all set to go. Rather large part of the story, Aegon got the Gold Company, Jon got Ghost, Dragonglass, Sam, Longclaw, the Lord Commander, an army of Wildlings, the Bank of Braavos. Probably the greatest miracle in the books. Hi I own nothing and have no credit, can we have a bunch of gold and your ships, and I will give a guide and a Donkey in return. Thanks for that, that's awesome, you're the best Tycho. He has had two armies fall into his lap, and a small fleet? 

 "I hate this, I hate this, I hate this, I hate this, it better turn out the way my theory is or I will burn my books."

Some people need to stop reading the books, and start watching more football, they will love it. See you get some happiness instead of total hatred. But not always totally happy because your team does not win every week, and all the other games, it's a roller coaster of bliss and bile.

 

 

 

 

You know I was just joking, right? I think, or I hope, you were joking in part with this.