StarkofWinterfell Posted January 27, 2016 Author Share Posted January 27, 2016 Question: Does anyone see some GRRM in Bran? At least for his greensight and being able to foresee events? Seems like something an author would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardhome Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 A maester... with a habit of writing history in a vivid manner... verrry sloooooowly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 44 minutes ago, Lord Varys said: Really? I'm not really sure the Elder Brother had any character. I only remember him as some sort of monastic guy who doesn't like warfare all that much since the Trident. I can't find a link, but The Fattest Leach remembered it too. She probably characterized it better than I did saying " GRRM did say that a part of him leaked into EB speech about politics and war. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow of the Morning Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 No. When a author write himself in his book it is a embodiment and when it happens we generally have a type of character known as Mary Sue/Gary Stu, a character that is flawless, too perfect, that overcome all obstacles easily and defeat all enemies handily and that every single character likes. A Gary Stu is boring and difficult to relate to. That is a mistake made by beginners and it would be surprising seeing George committing such mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnar of Skagos Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I'm still waiting for Lord Gregor Martin of Turtle Beach to appear in one of the chapters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 3 hours ago, Arrow of the Morning said: No. When a author write himself in his book it is a embodiment and when it happens we generally have a type of character known as Mary Sue/Gary Stu, a character that is flawless, too perfect, that overcome all obstacles easily and defeat all enemies handily and that every single character likes. A Gary Stu is boring and difficult to relate to. That is a mistake made by beginners and it would be surprising seeing George committing such mistake. Generally maybe, but not always. Just off the top of my head from two books I read very recently, David Mitchell writes a character of an author getting terribly harsh but accurate reviews for what's basically the actual book we're reading, and Markus Suzak depicts himself as a kind of an asshole who does horrible things to his characters for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 5 hours ago, Arrow of the Morning said: No. When a author write himself in his book it is a embodiment and when it happens we generally have a type of character known as Mary Sue/Gary Stu, a character that is flawless, too perfect, that overcome all obstacles easily and defeat all enemies handily and that every single character likes. A Gary Stu is boring and difficult to relate to. That is a mistake made by beginners and it would be surprising seeing George committing such mistake. Um, no. Self-inserts, and even wish-fulfilment exercises, are not Mary Sues. As long as the world isn't twisted to suit the insert character's needs, it's fine (for a very old example, see Hogg's Confessions of a Justified Sinner from 1820, where the author turns up in a cameo). And frankly Jon Snow is a Mary Sue without being an authorial insert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CryptofCthulhu Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 He might flatter himself but he is Samwell Tarly to the bone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 26 minutes ago, CryptofCthulhu said: He might flatter himself but he is Samwell Tarly to the bone. Minus the abusive parenting (I'm guessing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CryptofCthulhu Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 10 minutes ago, Roose Boltons Pet Leech said: Minus the abusive parenting (I'm guessing). Very True. Maybe he's Hot Pie. He does love food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyJAM Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 11 hours ago, Lord Varys said: Really? I'm not really sure the Elder Brother had any character. I only remember him as some sort of monastic guy who doesn't like warfare all that much since the Trident. That's pretty much the definition of an author insert: creating a "character" who gets to give a long speech which you totally agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Harly of Southwell Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Definitely Illyrio. No question. At least it is subtle though so you don't really see it unless you think about it. I like it best when authors write themselves in subtly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 22 minutes ago, FuzzyJAM said: That's pretty much the definition of an author insert: creating a "character" who gets to give a long speech which you totally agree with. Well, but wasn't the guy with the great speech Septon Meribald, not the Elder Brother? There are many such inserts in the books, though. For instance, George has also revealed that he pretty much agrees with Varys' concept of power as a shadow on the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyJAM Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 41 minutes ago, Lord Varys said: Well, but wasn't the guy with the great speech Septon Meribald, not the Elder Brother? There are many such inserts in the books, though. For instance, George has also revealed that he pretty much agrees with Varys' concept of power as a shadow on the wall. Oh, my bad, I was thinking of Meribald. That Varys point did sound a little like the author's voice too. IDK if they're all that frequent though - characters don't often pontificate in lengthy elegant speeches on enlightened critiques of their culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 9 hours ago, Lord Varys said: Well, but wasn't the guy with the great speech Septon Meribald, not the Elder Brother? There are many such inserts in the books, though. For instance, George has also revealed that he pretty much agrees with Varys' concept of power as a shadow on the wall. Yes, I think I confused the two initially. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoamingRonin Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 It's definitely Tyrion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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