Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted December 22, 2018 Author Share Posted December 22, 2018 44 minutes ago, The Dames do Moan said: Is it ever confirmed anywhere in the cannon that Cersei somehow had Robert killed by the Boar? I think of it like it’s a given but don’t remember a specific POV where it’s confirmed. To say Cersei had Robert killed by the boar is a bit much. Cersei gave Lancel the fortified wine, which made Robert too drunk to stand against the boar. She explains it herself in the second quote. The first demonstrates that, had Robert not encountered the boar, there would have been some other accident, doubtless.. AGOT, Eddard 15: "Oh, indeed. Cersei gave him the wineskins, and told him it was Robert's favorite vintage." The eunuch shrugged. "A hunter lives a perilous life. If the boar had not done for Robert, it would have been a fall from a horse, the bite of a wood adder, an arrow gone astray … the forest is the abbatoir of the gods. It was not wine that killed the king. It was your mercy." And ACOK, Tyrion I “I have some new friends,” Tyrion confessed. “You won’t like them at all. How did you kill Robert?” “He did that himself. All we did was help. When Lancel saw that Robert was going after boar, he gave him strong wine. His favorite sour red, but fortified, three times as potent as he was used to. The great stinking fool loved it. He could have stopped swilling it down anytime he cared to, but no, he drained one skin and told Lancel to fetch another. The boar did the rest. You should have been at the feast, Tyrion. There has never been a boar so delicious. They cooked it with mushrooms and apples, and it tasted like triumph.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ckram Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Edit: what Rhaenys_Targaryen said above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dames do Moan Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 On 12/22/2018 at 2:11 AM, Rhaenys_Targaryen said: To say Cersei had Robert killed by the boar is a bit much. Cersei gave Lancel the fortified wine, which made Robert too drunk to stand against the boar. She explains it herself in the second quote. The first demonstrates that, had Robert not encountered the boar, there would have been some other accident, doubtless.. AGOT, Eddard 15: "Oh, indeed. Cersei gave him the wineskins, and told him it was Robert's favorite vintage." The eunuch shrugged. "A hunter lives a perilous life. If the boar had not done for Robert, it would have been a fall from a horse, the bite of a wood adder, an arrow gone astray … the forest is the abbatoir of the gods. It was not wine that killed the king. It was your mercy." And ACOK, Tyrion I “I have some new friends,” Tyrion confessed. “You won’t like them at all. How did you kill Robert?” “He did that himself. All we did was help. When Lancel saw that Robert was going after boar, he gave him strong wine. His favorite sour red, but fortified, three times as potent as he was used to. The great stinking fool loved it. He could have stopped swilling it down anytime he cared to, but no, he drained one skin and told Lancel to fetch another. The boar did the rest. You should have been at the feast, Tyrion. There has never been a boar so delicious. They cooked it with mushrooms and apples, and it tasted like triumph.” Appreciate ya thanks as always Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darion Storm Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Lancel also backs up her story when interrogated by Tyrion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 I'm sure a million other people noticed already, but I wanted to smack myself for it. No. Tywin mistrusted laughter. Tyrion is Tywin's son, not you -------------- Why couldn't you just come joust with us, the way the king wanted? You wouldn't have gotten hurt. What would that have cost m'lord, to climb up on our dog and ride a tilt to please the boy? It was just a bit of fun. "They would have laughed at me," ------------- I've read ASOIAF more times than Tyrion would shake his stick at Lemore, but somehow that connection was obvious but never really spelled out. Well durrrr. That Jaime questions his aunt right after her quotes only underscores her point. Tywin wouldn't have needed to question himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelenaExMachina Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 8 hours ago, Universal Sword Donor said: I'm sure a million other people noticed already, but I wanted to smack myself for it. No. Tywin mistrusted laughter. Tyrion is Tywin's son, not you -------------- Why couldn't you just come joust with us, the way the king wanted? You wouldn't have gotten hurt. What would that have cost m'lord, to climb up on our dog and ride a tilt to please the boy? It was just a bit of fun. "They would have laughed at me," ------------- I've read ASOIAF more times than Tyrion would shake his stick at Lemore, but somehow that connection was obvious but never really spelled out. Well durrrr. That Jaime questions his aunt right after her quotes only underscores her point. Tywin wouldn't have needed to question himself. So....did you have a question? (I think you probably meant to post in wow I never noticed that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 1 hour ago, HelenaExMachina said: So....did you have a question? (I think you probably meant to post in wow I never noticed that) Erm so how about that weather (for Stannis?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominusNovus Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Do we know in which lord’s territory Oldstones is located? I assume its Mallister land, but I don’t know if that is spelled out for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ckram Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 @DominusNovus No, we don't. But if you'd like an opnion on this, that's what I've answered previously in this same thread: Spoiler Oldstones is located between Seagard and Raventree Hall, so that, cartographically speaking, there is a chance of being a Blackwood or Mallister possession. However, I tend to believe that Oldstone is located in the lands of one of the branches of House Vance, since: it was the andal Armistead Vance who defeated Tristfer IV Mudd ("the Hammer") and had Edmure Tully switch to his side, granting him the lands where Riverrun would be raised; (my point - Vance took Mudd's lands and retained the northernmost part of them) both branches of House Vance, House Tully, House Blackwood, House Bracken, and House Smallwood all made an alliance against Humfrey I Teague. We know the locations of all the rebel houses' seats (save both House Vances') and they all are contigous neighbors of each other from north to south, respectively. So, it sounded to me like both Houses Vance were the northernmost of them. (my point - it fits well with my previous assumption) Looking back to it, I feel my last arguments lack accuracy. However, I think it still makes a good point, especially considering the little information we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominusNovus Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Question regarding the Baratheon position relative to the Stormlords: We know that the Tyrells are held in some small amount of scorn by their bannermen, due to being elevated Stewards. Meanwhile, House Tully has a similar problem, since they were raised up over the Riverlands by Aegon, even if their House has just as good a pedigree as any Andal house on their region. Do we know of any similar friction with the Baratheons, a house established by a bastard? Or did the stormlords decide that they’re basically just the Durrandon dynasty, and due the same level of respect as that ancient house? Or that, since Orys is a Targ bastard, thats not so bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darion Storm Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 @DominusNovus I imagine Orys Baratheon’s marriage to Argella Durrandon (daughter of the last Durrandon King) helped a lot; in addition to it being a lot easier to accept House Baratheon as just a rebranded House Durrandon than if, say, House Connington had been raised above the other stormlords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoWesteros Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 How do other people pronounce Velaryon? I always found that name to be a little uninspired, but reading Fire and Blood has given me a better appreciation of this family. I've heard several people pronounce it the same as Valyrian, but I personally say Vel-arhhh(like a pirate)-ree-on. That makes more sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, GoWesteros said: How do other people pronounce Velaryon? I always found that name to be a little uninspired, but reading Fire and Blood has given me a better appreciation of this family. I've heard several people pronounce it the same as Valyrian, but I personally say Vel-arhhh(like a pirate)-ree-on. That makes more sense to me. I suck at this but Ve- lah - rion as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoWesteros Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, kissdbyfire said: I suck at this but Ve- lah - rion as well. 'rion' like lion? I think that is where we differ friend. I would say reeon. I suppose it really could be either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, GoWesteros said: 'rion' like lion? I think that is where we differ friend. I would say reeon. I suppose it really could be either. Nah, I was thinking like Dondarrion. I told ya I suck at this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelenaExMachina Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Vel as in Velcro Ar like the pirate Yon pronounced eon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoWesteros Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 12 hours ago, HelenaExMachina said: Vel as in Velcro Ar like the pirate Yon pronounced eon We say it the same. I still don't really like that house name. As I said, it feels very uninspired on George's part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittanian Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 20 hours ago, GoWesteros said: I personally say Vel-arhhh(like a pirate)-ree-on. Same for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominusNovus Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Do we have any particular ideas of where bats can be found in quantity? I know that Harrenhal is fairly famous for its bats, and Sothoryos has its vampire bats. Anywhere else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittanian Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, DominusNovus said: Do we have any particular ideas of where bats can be found in quantity? I know that Harrenhal is fairly famous for its bats, and Sothoryos has its vampire bats. Anywhere else? Bloodraven's cave Quote As Hodor he explored the caves. He found chambers full of bones, shafts that plunged deep into the earth, a place where the skeletons of gigantic bats hung upside down from the ceiling. (ADWD Bran III) Casterly Rock Quote The Rock has been a habitation for men for thousands of years. Before the coming of the First Men it seems likely that the children of the forest and giants made their homes in the great sea-carved caverns at its base. Bears, lions, wolves, and bats have also been known to make their lairs within, along with countless lesser creatures. (TWOIAF Casterly Rock) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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