Lost Melnibonean Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 5 hours ago, House Cambodia said: That'll be the fellas that spent 6 months promising us Jon Snow was dead, right? Well, he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkSister1001 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 22 minutes ago, Lost Melnibonean said: Well, he was. Every single time I think of Jon's fate at the end of ADwD or Season 5 all I can think of is Billy Crystal in Princess Bride. "He's only mostly dead." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ McLannister Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 1 minute ago, DarkSister1001 said: Every single time I think of Jon's fate at the end of ADwD or Season 5 all I can think of is Billy Crystal in Princess Bride. "He's only mostly dead." We can only hope his resurrection involves bellows and chocolate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkSister1001 Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 4 minutes ago, CJ McLannister said: We can only hope his resurrection involves bellows and chocolate. Ha! That'll leave him flopping around while Wun Wun carries him around the CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Young Black Dragon Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 3 hours ago, DarkSister1001 said: Ha! That'll leave him flopping around while Wun Wun carries him around the CB. Perfect opportunity for Dolorous Edd to caper around with them adding the same sort of comical and an added morose lines as they evade the conspirators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 10 hours ago, Gregor'sBrainTumor said: Is there any indication of the current or future significance of the Isle of Faces? I remember an interview where Martin was asked if the Green Men were going to play a role in later books, and he replied something to the effect of "gee I can't sneak anything past you guys." I can't find it though, maybe someone else remembers what I'm talking about. I think it was very old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asma Ben Hamouda Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 First of all, I'm really sorry for my intrustion in this part of the forum because I'm not a book reader, if you allow me to ask a question, when I look to the stories I have a personnal opinion that the main characters got and are getting too much help from the author, I have the feeling that GRRM is spawing characters just to help the main characters, maybe i'm wrong but I never seen a main character progressing in his story on his own, they got help in every corner of the story, am I wrong about this view? I'm asking this question because this point of view made me look at the story as a bit unrealistic and unbelievable, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Cambodia Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 ^ How does someone 'progress' without interacting with others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asma Ben Hamouda Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 1 hour ago, House Cambodia said: ^ How does someone 'progress' without interacting with others? Sorry but this exactly my problem, for many occurences I didn't see those like interactions, I see it like the characters accompanying the main characters in their journeys are just there to make their lifes easier, and each time a main character got a problem some other characters will come and resolve his problem to make him progress in his story, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Cambodia Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 ^ You mean like Tyrion coming to help Daenerys, Jaime helping Brienne, Littlefinger helping Sansa, the Hound helping Arya - they are 'just there to make their lives easier'? Not sure many would agree with you. All the main characters have their own motivations and agendas. Whilst the books show that much more deeply, I'd say the show does a decent enough job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 8 hours ago, RumHam said: I remember an interview where Martin was asked if the Green Men were going to play a role in later books, and he replied something to the effect of "gee I can't sneak anything past you guys." I can't find it though, maybe someone else remembers what I'm talking about. I think it was very old. If it's the one I'm thinking of it comes from a fairly long transcript of...well, I guess it was just a talk with GRRM and a few others (I think Ran and Linda are asking questions during it, as well as others). It is pretty much what you said though. "I was wondering if would ever see the Isle of faces..." "Gee, I can't slip anything by you...yes" (paraphrasing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ McLannister Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 10 hours ago, Asma Ben Hamouda said: First of all, I'm really sorry for my intrustion in this part of the forum because I'm not a book reader, if you allow me to ask a question, when I look to the stories I have a personnal opinion that the main characters got and are getting too much help from the author, I have the feeling that GRRM is spawing characters just to help the main characters, maybe i'm wrong but I never seen a main character progressing in his story on his own, they got help in every corner of the story, am I wrong about this view? I'm asking this question because this point of view made me look at the story as a bit unrealistic and unbelievable, thanks I think I found your problem. I've got nothing against the show, but the shift in format fundamentally alters the way characters are developed. Each book chapter is written from the point of view of a character so we get their internal thoughts and a much better understanding of who they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkSister1001 Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 11 hours ago, Asma Ben Hamouda said: First of all, I'm really sorry for my intrustion in this part of the forum because I'm not a book reader, if you allow me to ask a question, when I look to the stories I have a personnal opinion that the main characters got and are getting too much help from the author, I have the feeling that GRRM is spawing characters just to help the main characters, maybe i'm wrong but I never seen a main character progressing in his story on his own, they got help in every corner of the story, am I wrong about this view? I'm asking this question because this point of view made me look at the story as a bit unrealistic and unbelievable, thanks How else would the story progress? They can't all just die. (GRRM, if you're reading this please don't take that as a challenge). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illyrio Mo'Parties Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 In Clash of Kings, Robb finds a goat track that enables him to bypass the Golden Tooth and enter the Westerlands unmolested. It's just wide enough for his cavalry to ride single file. So how the hell did he get all that fodder that he nabbed back to the Riverlands? Let's assume the track is wide enough for a wagon, but what about the thousands of cattle that one of the Mormont gels is driving east? They can't go past the Tooth. Can you drive cattle single file down a goat track? Or is there another way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox of House McCloud Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 In AGoT, when Robb and Jon find the direwolf pups, the party finds that the mother died because of an antler lodged in neck (assumed to be from a fight). Catelyn interprets this as a divine sign (direwolf killed by stag). Did this prophecy come true when Joffrey had Ned killed? Or is it yet to come, as Joffrey was no true Baratheon? I've been puzzling over it for a while. Could be connected to Stannis, who is currently up North and has spent a good amount of time at the Wall with Jon... and if not Jon, there are other Starks in the North as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkSister1001 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, Fox of House McCloud said: In AGoT, when Robb and Jon find the direwolf pups, the party finds that the mother died because of an antler lodged in neck (assumed to be from a fight). Catelyn interprets this as a divine sign (direwolf killed by stag). Did this prophecy come true when Joffrey had Ned killed? Or is it yet to come, as Joffrey was no true Baratheon? I've been puzzling over it for a while. Could be connected to Stannis, who is currently up North and has spent a good amount of time at the Wall with Jon... and if not Jon, there are other Starks in the North as well. IMO it has already come to pass. Either bc Robert put Ned in a dangerous position by asking him to be Hand or bc Joff, a Baratheon in name at least, ordered his head struck off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illyrio Mo'Parties Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, Fox of House McCloud said: In AGoT, when Robb and Jon find the direwolf pups, the party finds that the mother died because of an antler lodged in neck (assumed to be from a fight). Catelyn interprets this as a divine sign (direwolf killed by stag). Did this prophecy come true when Joffrey had Ned killed? Or is it yet to come, as Joffrey was no true Baratheon? I've been puzzling over it for a while. Could be connected to Stannis, who is currently up North and has spent a good amount of time at the Wall with Jon... and if not Jon, there are other Starks in the North as well. I don't feel like it was a prophecy per se, nor that it referred to any particular person - more an omen that the stag (House Baratheon) would be the end of the direwolf (House Stark), or at least a danger to it. Which it was: in choosing to aid his old friend Robert Baratheon, Ned set in motion a series of events which would lead to the almost total destruction of his house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 That was just how he slipped around the Golden Tooth to get in. Presumably there are better roads, so getting out woulda been easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 What are the twelve houses of the havens? Jon mentions it in one of his ASOS chapters when talking about stars and I just wanted to know if GRRM have ever named them. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 6 hours ago, The Wolves said: What are the twelve houses of the havens? Jon mentions it in one of his ASOS chapters when talking about stars and I just wanted to know if GRRM have ever named them. Thanks. Twelve houses of the heavens are constellations. They have different names in different cultures, but in Westeros they are known as: - Crone's Lantern - Galley -Ghost - Ice Dragon - King's Crown (called Cradle by the Free Folk) - Moonmaid - Shadowcat - Sow - Stallion (called Horned Lord by the Free Folk) - Sword of the Morning There are also 7 known Wanderers (most likely planets). Followers of the Faith of the Seven belive that each of them is associted with one of gods. Red Wanderer is Smith, it's also known as Thief among the Free Folk. You can read more about astronomy of Westeros here: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Astronomy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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