Lost Melnibonean Posted December 24, 2016 Author Share Posted December 24, 2016 19 hours ago, Shmedricko said: Brienne standing beneath a set of gallows can be seen as foreshadowing for her getting hanged later in the book, especially since at the same time she's holding the parchment bearing Tommen's seal and signature, which is one of the pieces of evidence the Brotherhood uses to prove Brienne is in league with the Lannisters. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted January 4, 2017 Author Share Posted January 4, 2017 Quote Jaime bet a copper star on the blond girl riding Raff the Sweetling, and lost it when the two of them went down splashing amongst the reeds. Spoiler Foreshadows Mercy giving the gift to Raff the Sweetling in Winds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrionTLannister Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 I think I've figured out the order in which the dragons will die: Viserion, Drogon, Rhaegal. Quote “It is only a tale, Khaleesi,” said her exile knight. “They talk of wise old dragons living a thousand years as well.” “Well, how long does a dragon live?” She looked up as Viserion swooped low over the ship, his wings beating slowly and stirring the limp sails. Ser Jorah shrugged. “A dragon’s natural span of days is many times as long as a man’s, or so the songs would have us believe... but the dragons the Seven Kingdoms knew best were those of House Targaryen. They were bred for war, and in war they died. It is no easy thing to slay a dragon, but it can be done.” - ASOS Daenery They are talking about the lifespans of dragons and how those that are bred for war die in war and stuff like that -- and all of a sudden Viserion swoops in, marking him for death. So we can gather that Viserion will be the first dragon to die. Rhaegal will be the last dragon to die because Rhaegar was the Last Dragon. Quote Dany fled from the choice, out onto the terrace. She found Rhaegal asleep beside the pool, a green and bronze coil basking in the sun. Drogon was perched up atop the pyramid, in the place where the huge bronze harpy had stood before she had commanded it to be pulled down. He spread his wings and roared when he spied her. There was no sign of Viserion, but when she went to the parapet and scanned the horizon she saw pale wings in the far distance, sweeping above the river. He is hunting. They grow bolder every day. Yet it still made her anxious when they flew too far away. One day one of them may not return, she thought. - ASOS Daenerys Daenerys thinks that one day one of her dragons may not return. It would therefore make sense for this passage to contain clues about their ultimate fates. The order in which they're mentioned seem to be in reverse order to the order in which they'll die. So Viserion will die first, then Drogon, then Rhaegal. Quote She climbed the pyre herself to place the eggs around her sun-and-stars. The black beside his heart, under his arm. The green beside his head, his braid coiled around it. The cream-and-gold down between his legs. - AGOT Daenerys Viserion is placed between his legs, Drogon beside his heart, and Rhaegal near his head. The lower they are in relation to Drogo's corpse, the earlier they'll die. So Viserion will die first, then Drogon, then Rhaegal. There are many more quotes that suggest this. Quote Then phantoms shivered through the murk, images in indigo. Viserys screamed as the molten gold ran down his cheeks and filled his mouth. A tall lord with copper skin and silver-gold hair stood beneath the banner of a fiery stallion, a burning city behind him. Rubies flew like drops of blood from the chest of a dying prince, and he sank to his knees in the water and with his last breath murmured a woman’s name. - ACOK Daenerys In this vision, Viserys likely represents Viserion, Rhaego represents Drogon, and Rhaegar represents Rhaegal. Quote I was going to take you home! Her dragons sensed her fury. Viserion roared, and smoke rose grey from his snout. Drogon beat the air with black wings, and Rhaegal twisted his head back and belched flame. - ASOS Daenerys Viserion sniffed the blood leaking from Prendahl’s neck, and let loose a gout of flame that took the dead man full in the face, blackening and blistering his bloodless cheeks. Drogon and Rhaegal stirred at the smell of roasted meat. - ASOS Daenerys The Usurper has woken the dragon now, she told herself... and her eyes went to the dragon’s eggs resting in their nest of dark velvet. The shifting lamplight linmed their stony scales, and shimmering motes of jade and scarlet and gold swam in the air around them, like courtiers around a king. - AGOT Daenerys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrionTLannister Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Quote “Then I grieve for you, Dragonmother, and for bleeding Westeros, bereft of its rightful king.” Beneath Dany’s gentle fingers, green Rhaegal stared at the stranger with eyes of molten gold. When his mouth opened, his teeth gleamed like black needles. “When does your ship return to Westeros, Captain?” - ACOK Daenerys The mention of Rhaegal after the stranger talks about the rightful king foreshadows the rightful king, Jon, riding Rhaegal. Quote Irri and Jhiqui had covered the floor with carpets while Missandei lit a stick of incense to sweeten the dusty air. Drogon and Rhaegal were asleep atop some cushions, curled about each other, but Viserion perched on the edge of her empty bath. - ASOS Daenerys This foreshadows a romantic relationship between Dany and Jon, Drogon and Rhaegal's riders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 1 hour ago, TyrionTLannister said: The mention of Rhaegal after the stranger talks about the rightful king foreshadows the rightful king, Jon, riding Rhaegal. This foreshadows a romantic relationship between Dany and Jon, Drogon and Rhaegal's riders. See, I suspect Aegon, who will follow Aegon II, the figurehead of the greens, in the second dance, will be the one to ride the green dragon. But since I suspect Daenerys will bear Aegon's child, I like the second bit of foreshadowing... a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrionTLannister Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Is there any specific reason Aegon has to ride Rhaegal and not Viserion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isobel Harper Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 2 hours ago, TyrionTLannister said: The mention of Rhaegal after the stranger talks about the rightful king foreshadows the rightful king, Jon, riding Rhaegal. This foreshadows a romantic relationship between Dany and Jon, Drogon and Rhaegal's riders. 34 minutes ago, Lost Melnibonean said: See, I suspect Aegon, who will follow Aegon II, the figurehead of the greens, in the second dance, will be the one to ride the green dragon. But since I suspect Daenerys will bear Aegon's child, I like the second bit of foreshadowing... a lot. When Daenerys lays the eggs on Drogo's funeral pyre, she lays Viserion between Drogo's legs, Drogon's under his arm, and Rhaegal's near his head with Drogo's braid coiled around it. Rhaegal is at the "crown" of his head. I agree that Rhaegal will be the mount for a king, although I'm not sure who. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrionTLannister Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Quote Irri fetched the egg with the deep green shell, bronze flecks shining amid its scales as she turned it in her small hands. Dany curled up on her side, pulling the sandsilk cloak across her and cradling the egg in the hollow between her swollen belly and small, tender breasts. She liked to hold them. They were so beautiful, and sometimes just being close to them made her feel stronger, braver, as if somehow she were drawing strength from the stone dragons locked inside. She was lying there, holding the egg, when she felt the child move within her... as if he were reaching out, brother to brother, blood to blood. “You are the dragon,” Dany whispered to him, “the true dragon. I know it. I know it.” And she smiled, and went to sleep dreaming of home. - AGOT Daenerys The rider of Rhaegal is the true dragon, Jon. The way the scene is described indicates that she will be in love with the rider and bear his child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrionTLannister Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 There is some foreshadowing that Bran will kill Jaime. Quote “I’d sooner be a wolf. Then I could live in the wood and sleep when I wanted, and I could find Arya and Sansa. I’d smell where they were and go save them, and when Robb went to battle I’d fight beside him like Grey Wind. I’d tear out the Kingslayer’s throat with my teeth, rip, and then the war would be over and everyone would come back to Winterfell. If I was a wolf...” - ACOK Bran > The Greatjon, no respecter of proprieties, lifted her off her feet and squeezed her arms with his huge hairy hands. “Your wolf pup mauled the Kingslayer once, he’ll do it again if need be.” - ASOS Catelyn Which wolf pup, though? Quote > **Below the earth his doom awaited, he knew with the certainty of dream; something dark and terrible lurked there, something that wanted him.** > ... > “Stay with me,” Jaime pleaded. “Don’t leave me here alone.” But they were leaving. “Don’t leave me in the dark!” Something terrible lived down here. “Give me a sword, at least.” > ... > “A cave lion? Direwolves? Some bear? Tell me, Jaime. What lives here? What lives in the darkness?” > “Doom.” No bear, he knew. No lion. “Only doom.” - ASOS Jaime Not a bear. Not a lion. Therefore, it is a direwolf. I'm guessing it's Bran. And he will bring about Jaime's death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 4 hours ago, TyrionTLannister said: Is there any specific reason Aegon has to ride Rhaegal and not Viserion? It's all in the eye of the interpreter, I guess. We won't know who is right until we read the next book or two. That's part of the fun. 2 hours ago, TyrionTLannister said: There is some foreshadowing that Bran will kill Jaime. Which wolf pup, though? Not a bear. Not a lion. Therefore, it is a direwolf. I'm guessing it's Bran. And he will bring about Jaime's death. Nice. I think Jaime is going to end up taking the black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrionTLannister Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Quote Nice. I think Jaime is going to end up taking the black. Me, too. He could sacrifice himself to save Jon's life from the Others, making up for not saving Rhaenys and Aegon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 55 minutes ago, TyrionTLannister said: Me, too. He could sacrifice himself to save Jon's life from the Others, making up for not saving Rhaenys and Aegon. Or maybe succeed Jon if Jon has to sacrifice himself to save humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrionTLannister Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 There is some foreshadowing early in AGOT that Cersei will be killed by the Others, but if GRRM ever intended to go down this path, I'm sure he's since changed his mind. Quote “The Others take my wife,” Robert muttered sourly, but he started back the way they had come, his footsteps falling heavily. - AGOT Eddard He made many a toast, laughed loudly at every jest, and attacked each dish like a starving man, but beside him the queen seemed as cold as an ice sculpture. - AGOT Jon The queen’s face was a mask, so bloodless that it might have been sculpted from snow. - AGOT Sansa Oh, Cersei is lovely to look at, truly, but cold... the way she guards her cunt, you’d think she had all the gold of Casterly Rock between her legs. - AGOT Eddard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, TyrionTLannister said: There is some foreshadowing early in AGOT that Cersei will be killed by the Others, but if GRRM ever intended to go down this path, I'm sure he's since changed his mind. I think there's an idea out there that Euron will play the part of the the Night’s King, and Cersei will be his queen. But I think the storyteller is making us perceive Cersei as an ice queen in the more conventional sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrionTLannister Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 We know from the outline that Catelyn was originally supposed to be killed by the Others beyond the Wall. A few quotes from her first chapters foreshadow this. Quote “Beyond the Wall?” The thought made Catelyn shudder. Ned saw the dread on her face. “Mance Rayder is nothing for us to fear.” “There are darker things beyond the Wall.” She glanced behind her at the heart tree, the pale bark and red eyes, watching, listening, thinking its long slow thoughts. His smile was gentle. “You listen to too many of Old Nan’s stories. The Others are as dead as the children of the forest, gone eight thousand years. Maester Luwin will tell you they never lived at all. No living man has ever seen one.” Quote “The Others take both of you (Catelyn and Luwin),” Ned muttered darkly. Quote His words were like an icy draft through her heart. “No,” she said, suddenly afraid. Was this to be her punishment? Never to see his face again, nor to feel his arms around her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrionTLannister Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Quote Or maybe succeed Jon if Jon has to sacrifice himself to save humanity. Succeed him as Lord Commander? Quote I think there's an idea out there that Euron will play the part of the the Night’s King, and Cersei will be his queen. But I think the storyteller is making us perceive Cersei as an ice queen in the more conventional sense. Perhaps. Robert's "The Others take my wife" line makes me think it's something more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 14 minutes ago, TyrionTLannister said: 1) Succeed him as Lord Commander? Perhaps. Robert's "The Others take my wife" line makes me think it's something more. 1) I hadn't thought of it before, but why not? 2) The Others take you is a relatively common phrase, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrionTLannister Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 More foreshadowing that Tyrion will join the Night's Watch: Quote “Any man of the Night’s Watch is welcome here at Winterfell for as long as he wishes to stay,” Robb was saying with the voice of Robb the Lord. His sword was across his knees, the steel bare for all the world to see. Even Bran knew what it meant to greet a guest with an unsheathed sword. “Any man of the Night’s Watch,” the dwarf repeated, “but not me, do I take your meaning, boy?” Quote “And even a bastard may rise high in the Night’s Watch,” Ned reflected. Tyrion, a Targaryen bastard, will rise high in the watch, and may even become Lord Commander. (I think GRRM originally intended for Tyrion to be the Mad King's bastard, but changed his mind as he started to develop Tyrion and Tywin's relationship.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrionTLannister Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Quote 1) I hadn't thought of it before, but why not? I think there's a strong possibility that Jaime will become Lord Commander. I just don't think Jon has to die for that to happen. Quote 2) The Others take you is a relatively common phrase, no? About that, I think that phrase is often used as foreshadowing, at least in AGOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrionTLannister Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Quote “I wish I had a good mean dog,” said Arya wistfully. “A lion-killing dog.” She’d had a direwolf once, Nymeria, but she’d thrown rocks at her until she fled, to keep the queen from killing her. Could a direwolf kill a lion? she wondered. This also foreshadows Bran killing Jaime. Three paragraphs later, Jaime is mentioned. Quote Arya was sucking the last bit of meat off a wing when one of the villagers turned to Lem Lemoncloak and said, “There were men through here not two days past, looking for the Kingslayer." Minor Season 2 spoiler. Spoiler Robb also says this to Jaime in Season 2, Episode 1. Quote You insult yourself, Kingslayer. You've been defeated by a boy. You're held captive by a boy. Perhaps you'll be killed by a boy. Part of this scene is from the POV of Grey Wind as he threatens to kill Jaime. Earlier in the episode, we have a scene from the POV of Bran as he wargs Summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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