[Spoilers] Criticize Without Repercussion

[Nami]

The show has been going downhill since season 3 and I'm surprised how many unsullied like it still and how popular it is.

Well, I guess it is an enternaining show still.

I'm just watching to see what they're gonna do. Genuine curiosity and at least I feel a little better because I won't experience them ruining my favorite passages from the books.

[Sir Loin Steak]

22 minutes ago, Nami said:

I'm just watching to see what they're gonna do. Genuine curiosity and at least I feel a little better because I won't experience them ruining my favorite passages from the books.

With how the show's descended into bad fanfic territory, I kind of want them to just go full crackfic from here on out. Draw from the most insane fan theories like the Merling Conspiracy and Vampire Roose/Bolt-On. It would at least be more interesting and entertaining than what we are getting.

[ogi]

1 hour ago, RoamingRonin said:

You shouldn't spoil any of the next episode. I don't care how cryptic you're being.

What hell is going on today with spoilers?

Sooooorrrry.

Waaaarning, yuuuuuuuggeeee spoiler ahead:

Spoiler

Next episode Melisandre gets teleported to Vaes Dothrak, Dany appears in Loras' birthmark searching for lemon trees, and the sand worms magically appear in Castle Black and feed Ghosts balls to the goats. Or some other comparably meaningful rubbish.

 

[HokieStone]

10 hours ago, Milady of York said:

Hello, people:

The documentary on GOT that Miodrag Zarkovic had been preparing since last year is finally completed, and will be aired soon.

You can watch the trailer here: Fair Game.

Let me just make sure I have this correct.  You're so upset that you don't like a TV show that a lot of other people like...that you made a documentary about how negative reviews are being repressed?

That's...impressive.

Also, let me quote from from your page, at the very bottom - " Or, as one of the interviewees for Fair Game phrased it, that an opinion of descent is left behind."  Unless the documentary is also covering this board game, I think you may want to switch "descent" to "dissent".

[Tijgy]

1 hour ago, RoamingRonin said:

Define "possible spoilers" please.

 

The person in question was actually referring to some information which was published in a press release - synopsis of episode 3. 

And the information can also be found in several interviews. 

 

[Bishop Cruz]

On another note, is anyone tired of this conversation?

Cersei: Bad things are happening, our enemies are all around us!
Jaime: I don't care, you are the only thing I care about, we're the only two people who matter.
Cersei: But bad things are happening... our enemies mean to kill us.
Jaime: I will kill everyone who tries to stand between us. I will kill everyone who isn't us.

It's like it happens at least once a season.

[Mistress of Lemon Cakes]

That Honest Trailers trailer was amazing.

[WolfQueenArya]

Soo...re-watched the episode again and noticed something that has me really annoyed! Sophie's name is separate now. But Maisie is not! Maisie deserves her own spot! Arya is one of the top important/main characters! They have made Sansa more important than Arya now when that is not the case in the books! (IMO). Is anyone else annoyed by this? Or am I then only one? Maisie better get her own in the last seasons...

[Eucratides_Megas]

Oh my God, I have not seen this episode. Will not see it. But goddamn did this pretty much turn out to be exactly what we all feared it would be ...x 2.

Honestly I feel a bit like I need to wear a cultural hair shirt and occasional whip myself (culturally speaking)---I am one of those assholes who told everyone of their various social circles to watch this show, because I'm a huge fan of the books and if I can nerd out with people who aren't about the same character (well...vaguely similar....kind of similar...not similar at all....they share a name at least....or don't). Well I got my wish, and then D & D pretty much jettisoned any pretense toward "adaptation" and have turned it into a weird, almost improv-esque, soul numbing parade of "shocking" scenes that have no punch or are so artificial they make you angry.

So I shall suffer the parade of everyone telling each other how much they "love" this show. 95% will never read any of the books. 5% might make it through Game of Thrones.

Dorne is where I didn't expect to be this outraged. I'm a Stannis fan, never gave a shit about Dorne but holy hell did they make a mock of that. Ellaria Sand deserved better. The Sand Snakes deserve better. The f&^Ing Sand Snakes!

When Darkstar showing up to tell everyone "he is of the Night" would class the joint up, you know you done fucked up.

[nekrohsis]

More on Mel: if they're going to pull that thing the spoilers say they will, I can understand wanting to establish her glamour powers. But they stripped those powers of their context. All it would have taken was a few lines to Jon last season about the importance of appearances in politics?

Also, Honest Trailers did one for Season 4-5. Even though I think the guy likes the show, he's also aware of a lot of its flaws (Porne, the extreme focus on shocks), and the "Starring" portion at the end really underlines it all: the show is about Shock, Sex, and Violence. And honestly? If D&D had set out to tell an original fantasy story that was all about Shock, Sex, and Violence, I'd probably just ignore it, or maybe even turn off my brain to watch. Like, if you want cheap stimulation of the lower parts of your brain, it does that just fine. I'm reminded of the pulp-adventure paperbacks from the 30s and 40s that were targeted towards men: all dark villains, sexy ladies, and virile adventure. 

The bad part is that ASIOAF is one of the few pieces of modern American fantasy I've read (and I've read lots) that I believe genuinely counts as real literature. Every time I read it, I discover new themes and symbols and characterization--this morning, I was re-reading the Purple Wedding sequence, and realizes that Shae and Tyrion having sex in the darkness among the dragon skulls represents how Tyrion's affair has blinded him to his narrative purpose (can't believe they didn't show Skull Sex on the show). The whole genre, and the legacy of the books, will be pushed back years because of this. 

[evita mgfs]

9 minutes ago, nekrohsis said:

More on Mel: if they're going to pull that thing the spoilers say they will, I can understand wanting to establish her glamour powers. But they stripped those powers of their context. All it would have taken was a few lines to Jon last season about the importance of appearances in politics?

Also, Honest Trailers did one for Season 4-5. Even though I think the guy likes the show, he's also aware of a lot of its flaws (Porne, the extreme focus on shocks), and the "Starring" portion at the end really underlines it all: the show is about Shock, Sex, and Violence. And honestly? If D&D had set out to tell an original fantasy story that was all about Shock, Sex, and Violence, I'd probably just ignore it, or maybe even turn off my brain to watch. Like, if you want cheap stimulation of the lower parts of your brain, it does that just fine. I'm reminded of the pulp-adventure paperbacks from the 30s and 40s that were targeted towards men: all dark villains, sexy ladies, and virile adventure. 

The bad part is that ASIOAF is one of the few pieces of modern American fantasy I've read (and I've read lots) that I believe genuinely counts as real literature. Every time I read it, I discover new themes and symbols and characterization--this morning, I was re-reading the Purple Wedding sequence, and realizes that Shae and Tyrion having sex in the darkness among the dragon skulls represents how Tyrion's affair has blinded him to his narrative purpose (can't believe they didn't show Skull Sex on the show). The whole genre, and the legacy of the books, will be pushed back years because of this. 

Hey, is this glamor thing for real?  I want to know - I predicted this back in 2012, and I will be very proud of myself if I was right way back then.

[nekrohsis]

24 minutes ago, evita mgfs said:

Hey, is this glamor thing for real?  I want to know - I predicted this back in 2012, and I will be very proud of myself if I was right way back then.

Well, there's the fact everyone comments on how her looks are unnatural--you don't get red eyes that color in normal humans, even albinos rarely have that. Then there's the fact we see her use the bones to transform Mance, and her speech about how wearing certain important objects is key to changing one's appearance. Then there's her thoughts on the importance of appearance in gaining and holding power. No, it doesn't outright say it, but yes, the subtext makes clear that Mel is changing her appearance through magic. It just doesn't matter to the plot, yet, and might not ever matter. I like how it doesn't matter. It's not shocking, it's not damning--it's just one of her many tools. Part of her quest to defeat evil. 

[Le Cygne]

9 hours ago, SerMixalot said:

Honest Trailers-Hahahaha

Best part is that GoT has become Heavy Metal Art

Honest

That was perfect! And I loved the book reader part at the end.

[Le Cygne]

7 hours ago, Tijgy said:

cruelty, animal cruelty, buts, littlefinger accent, littlefinger other accent, shae called a whore and ... the Lannister family drinking problem. 

I admit a lot of those things themselves are not funny. It is just ... the show is really just that. A whole bunch of cruelty, nudity, Lannister Stuing (except Stupid Larry the Monster), weird speaking psychopaths and (he forgot this) REVENGE!!!

They even had Arya chopping off pigeon heads!

[Low Sparrow]

12 hours ago, LazyBazooka said:

And what would the episode be without mentioning The Red Woman, who Davos wants around (and not so he can ask her about what happened to Shireen) to help them fight the mutineers, because “you haven’t seen her do what I’ve seen her do”, but the only thing Davos has seen her do is birth a shadow baby. So what’s the plan? Get to Melisandre, fuck her, hope she gets pregnant and gives birth to a shadow demon all before night fall? Let me know how that works out.

Thank you for a hearty laugh today. Great point many missed in the mileu of continuity errors and bad writing that makes GoT what it is. I was too busy at the time wondering why someone who is not a brother, not a king and and for all intents and purposes just showed up is giving orders without being asked, "and who the hell are you?"

[SerMixalot]

1 minute ago, Low Sparrow said:

Thank you for a hearty laugh today. Great point many missed in the mileu of continuity errors and bad writing that makes GoT what it is. I was too busy at the time wondering why someone who is not a brother, not a king and and for all intents and purposes just showed up is giving orders without being asked, "and who the hell are you?"

Which should also be all of Mereen's response to Tyrion

[evita mgfs]

1 hour ago, nekrohsis said:

Well, there's the fact everyone comments on how her looks are unnatural--you don't get red eyes that color in normal humans, even albinos rarely have that. Then there's the fact we see her use the bones to transform Mance, and her speech about how wearing certain important objects is key to changing one's appearance. Then there's her thoughts on the importance of appearance in gaining and holding power. No, it doesn't outright say it, but yes, the subtext makes clear that Mel is changing her appearance through magic. It just doesn't matter to the plot, yet, and might not ever matter. I like how it doesn't matter. It's not shocking, it's not damning--it's just one of her many tools. Part of her quest to defeat evil. 

Well, good then.

If indeed Mel casts a glamor on Edd - who has suddenly risen to a character of merit and therefore must be in line to receive a meatier role with action and a few lines - then glamored Edd will be part of the army heading to WF.

Now, I suspect that before this magical event occurs, Tormund will give a rousing speech a la Marc Antony - calling the wildlings, and random brothers to mutiny and rage.  Meanwhile, the corpse of Jon Snow will be put on ice and transported to Winterfell by Davos who is not a great warrior.

Jon's reanimation will occur in the WF crypts supervised by Bran and BR.

But before that, Ramsay will kill Jon Snow - er glamored Jon Snow.

I am not sure how much the viewers will know in advance of the glamor?

[Neds Secret]

4 hours ago, Bishop Cruz said:

On another note, is anyone tired of this conversation?

Cersei: Bad things are happening, our enemies are all around us!
Jaime: I don't care, you are the only thing I care about, we're the only two people who matter.
Cersei: But bad things are happening... our enemies mean to kill us.
Jaime: I will kill everyone who tries to stand between us. I will kill everyone who isn't us.

It's like it happens at least once a season.

So, so true, well spotted!

[JonCon's Red Beard]

1 hour ago, Le Cygne said:

That was perfect! And I loved the book reader part at the end.

Just like I told a friend, I love that Unsullied believe that we book readers are all in the same level... LOL. We still can spoil a lot of things.

[Neds Secret]

6 hours ago, Sir Loin Steak said:

Eh, Carol's over that now, she's accepted that her 3-4 children are just fated to die through no fault of her own, Prophet Larry even confirmed it somehow.

Carol might just go kill Tommen herself just to save time and to put an end to her anticipation of it. D$D, it would be such a SHOCKING TWIST if Carol killed Tommen herself, unless they have already thought of this. Oh my??