Tower of Joy is next episode.

[ssls6]

Jon is all about the threat from the land of always winter.  Learning the truth could be a way for him to rationalize going south for help.  This may not be relevant until Dany lands in the south. 

[DireGhost]

24 minutes ago, ummester said:

Why would it even matter to Jon?

Also, if revealing who his parents are has absolutely NO affect on Jon then there is no reason to reveal it.

[sandpiper]

9 hours ago, DarkerStar said:

I think people should really get used to the idea of a Tower of Joy scene that neither proves not disproves R+L. Just save yourself some disappointment.

If they can manage it, it would make sense to continue the suspense for a bit. Especially for people who do not realise there is any suspense yet. I think the scene has to be more than a random battle or it would make no sense. It could perhaps go so far as to explain Ned Stark was not  the father, because now we know the mother, and leave those who have not been looking at this with a microscope to guess for a bit.  Then in future we could get more flashbacks showing a bit of romance.

 

I do wonder about oathbreakers. Ned Stark was such an upright man who always spoke truth. Except in the end, he lied to try to help his family. Maybe he has form and he failed to honour an oath. An obvious one might be to his new king Robert regarding handing over the baby. But it could be more subtle. Maybe he promised something at the tower other than we are expecting.

[DireGhost]

Just now, sandpiper said:

I do wonder about oathbreakers. Ned Stark was such an upright man who always spoke truth. Except in the end, he lied to try to help his family. Maybe he has form and he failed to honour an oath. An obvious one might be to his new king Robert regarding handing over the baby. But it could be more subtle. Maybe he promised something at the tower other than we are expecting.

Like to put the rightful heir (Jon in Lyanna's eyes) on the throne?

[Lord Friendzone]

1 hour ago, LadyAlisande said:

It bothers me that they made Lyanna blonde. Seems less plausible that two blonde people could produce a child with raven black hair. Possible but unlikely. Lyanna having the dominant black-haired gene is important.

She's not entirely blond. For D&D genes and that kind stuff is like whatever. I saw on youtube people talking about this and what Ned said as a hint that Jon is not Lyanna's son but Ned's.

[sandpiper]

2 hours ago, ummester said:

What I am most interested in with the TOJ and R=L=J is to find out how it is relevant to the rest of the story. I'm still not sure why Jon being a Targ matters? I'm still not sure why anyone being a Targ matters?

...oh. It seems to me it is the spindle around which the entire story turns. All these people killing each other over who has the true claim to the throne and it turns out to be someone none of them ever heard of. The reason so many of the people he grew up with died. The explanation of about the last thing his supposed father said to him. A walking means of bringing peace between the Starks in the north and the Targaryens. In due course an army under jon in the north allied with an invasion force from the south under Daenarys. Kings landing under cersei in ruins after the armies close on the capital.

[Magnar of Skagos]

Not sure why everyone assumes TV-only watchers need to be reminded of a character every single episode in order to remember who they are, as if every TV watcher has Alzheimer's. Unlike us, the superior book-reading masterrace that isn't subject to forgetfulness or confusion like these poor, naive, tv-only peasants.

[Nami]

21 minutes ago, DireGhost said:

Like to put the rightful heir (Jon in Lyanna's eyes) on the throne?

It would make no sense for him to promise her that since he allowed Jon to go serve the Night's Watch. Unless the Night's Watch cease to exist the brothers are bound to their vows for life.

[SerJeremiahLouistark]

21 hours ago, SevasTra82 said:

Was Dawn ever even mentioned in the show to this point?  Heck, outside of Longclaw and ICE, where *any* other Valyrian Steel Swords mentioned as of yet?  (Serious question, as I'm more book-reader then show-watcher).

Even if they introduce Dawn in the battle, what impact would it have in the grand scheme of things?  Probably little to none.  So chances are they won't waste budget on something that serves no purpose to the bottom line.  I could be wrong though, but I think people should brace themsevles to be disappointed.

The biggest thing I want to see if just *how* did Arthur Dayne die?  Will they keep true to the books with HR saving Ned at the last moment?

Right, that's what I'm wondering too, and will Bran know that he is seeing Meera's father save his father's life?

Also who is this pudgy faced young Ned? They couldn't have gotten Sean Bean to do this with a good makeup artist?  Wtf?

[Nami]

6 minutes ago, SerJeremiahLouistark said:

Right, that's what I'm wondering too, and will Bran know that he is seeing Meera's father save his father's life?

Also who is this pudgy faced young Ned? They couldn't have gotten Sean Bean to do this with a good makeup artist?  Wtf?

Sean Bean is like 60 years old. He couldn't possibly play a 18 year old Ned. That would be ridiculous

[SerJeremiahLouistark]

1 minute ago, Nami said:

Sean Bean is like 60 years old. He couldn't possibly play a 18 year old Ned. That would be ridiculous

They turned Carice into 140, CGI can do anything, that dude looks nothing like Ned.  

[lancerman]

In 1995 Bean was too old to play Ned at the TOJ.  It's easier to age someone up. Always has been. 

[DireGhost]

34 minutes ago, Nami said:

It would make no sense for him to promise her that since he allowed Jon to go serve the Night's Watch. Unless the Night's Watch cease to exist the brothers are bound to their vows for life.

So in the heat of the moment you think he thought that in 14 years he would send this baby to the Wall?

[The Chequered Raven]

17 hours ago, RhaeBee said:

About Jon's name... I'd like to think it was Ned alone who named the child and Lyanna has nothing to do with Jon. (isn't Jon named after Jon Arryn anyways?) in my mind, Lyanna would never give such a generic and lame name to Rhaegar's son, that name screams Ned Stark. Just how awful does Jon Targaryen sound? 

Well, I think Ned was smart enough to realize, that after fighting a rebellion against the Targaryans, coming home with a child which he told everybody was his bastard son and giving him a Targaryan-sounding name would not have been a very good idea...

 

The question is - has Lyanna given him a Targaryan name...???

[DireGhost]

11 minutes ago, The Chequered Raven said:

The question is - has Lyanna given him a Targaryan name...???

Now THAT would be interesting to find out in Bran's vision!

[Dizzy Walker]

2 hours ago, LadyAlisande said:

It bothers me that they made Lyanna blonde. Seems less plausible that two blonde people could produce a child with raven black hair. Possible but unlikely. Lyanna having the dominant black-haired gene is important.

 

She is not blond, the ends of her long hair have lightened up from the sun which to me is a great detail because you would expect that of a wild young girl that spends  a lot of time outside with horses. Which is Lyanna exactly. ( I can't remember if that was brought up in the show or if I am just thinking from the books?)  instead of inside sewing or doing what the tamer girls do. because she spends so much time with horses and if it was summer she probably has taken many a dunk in a lake, river, pond to wash the smell off which would help lighten her hair up as well.

 Unless you are trying to claim she is of Baratheon blood (the seed is strong) I am not sure it would matter so much in the show, especially with Ned not having dark brown hair in the show....

I am wishing they would have picked an actress that looked a little more like Maisie-Arya,  but she is a beautiful young lady and that also an important detail..

 

[robasp2]

1 hour ago, Hrokkan of Skagos said:

Not sure why everyone assumes TV-only watchers need to be reminded of a character every single episode in order to remember who they are, as if every TV watcher has Alzheimer's. Unlike us, the superior book-reading masterrace that isn't subject to forgetfulness or confusion like these poor, naive, tv-only peasants.

Haha..

"Previously on Game of thrones - 5 minutes of old stuff + intro"

The five fvcking minutes they could have used to show more.

But, sadly such people exists... "Oh Game of thrones? Yeah..yeah..I watch it because all my friends watch it. I like the blood, boobs and ass. Who cares about the story duuuuuuude."

[RhaenysBee]

1 hour ago, Hrokkan of Skagos said:

Not sure why everyone assumes TV-only watchers need to be reminded of a character every single episode in order to remember who they are, as if every TV watcher has Alzheimer's. Unlike us, the superior book-reading masterrace that isn't subject to forgetfulness or confusion like these poor, naive, tv-only peasants.

Sadly there are show watchers who can't remember the names of characters like Catelyn or Sansa or Davos. I have no idea how that is possible, but apparently it is. 

as for book readers and their superiority, book readers aren't a homogeneous group either. I for one am one of those horrible people who forgot half the books and mix up the other half with the show. I'll read comments here and be like Whooooo the F is that? 

23 minutes ago, Dizzy Walker said:

 

She is not blond, the ends of her long hair have lightened up from the sun which to me is a great detail because you would expect that of a wild young girl that spends  a lot of time outside with horses. Which is Lyanna exactly. ( I can't remember if that was brought up in the show or if I am just thinking from the books?)  instead of inside sewing or doing what the tamer girls do. because she spends so much time with horses and if it was summer she probably has taken many a dunk in a lake, river, pond to wash the smell off which would help lighten her hair up as well.

 Unless you are trying to claim she is of Baratheon blood (the seed is strong) I am not sure it would matter so much in the show, especially with Ned not having dark brown hair in the show....

I am wishing they would have picked an actress that looked a little more like Maisie-Arya,  but she is a beautiful young lady and that also an important detail..

 

Dark hair doesn't go blond under the sun. Mid brown hair or light brown hair will, but true bookStark hair won't. Especially that the North isn't the sunniest place in the world. And Shireen was of Baratheon blood and blond on the show too, so mostly it doesn't matter at all. I still can't help but be bothered by the fact that Lyanna is blond. But let that be my problem. 

[El Guapo]

I must be watching a different show because in the show I am watching Lyanna Stark had brown hair.

 

 

[mattnj81]

2 hours ago, DireGhost said:

Like to put the rightful heir (Jon in Lyanna's eyes) on the throne?

Whoah...I never considered that the promise was anything other than to keep Jon (and his twin, if you believe that theory) safe from Robert. If the promise was actually to tell everyone that Lyanna married Rhaegar and that Jon is his rightful heir, that would be quite a surprise.