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[Poll] How would you rate episode 606?

How would you rate episode 606?  

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  1. 1. What's your rating from 1-10, with 10 being the highest/best

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      23
    • 2
      13
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      21
    • 4
      27
    • 5
      36
    • 6
      57
    • 7
      97
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      99
    • 9
      46
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      41


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I gave it a 6, wished i could go back and give it a 9. With no action in this episode, i felt the episode was too short. Meaning that it was very good. Seeing the Tarly's, uncle Stark, and Bran finally wake up from reading the song of ice and fire cliff notes was very refreshing. Seeing Old man Frey was cool, it reminded me of why i hate him. The only cheezy part was Dany at the end. Drogon might get suspended for taking PEDs. 

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6 minutes ago, Vastet said:

That's ridiculous. It belongs to the family, not Randyll. Sam could just as easily have killed him and been no different than a dozen other lords and kings who offed their parents to take control of their house for themselves.

Dickon gets the house because Sam would be breaking his vows, but the sword belongs to Sam.

Have to disagree with you. The sword is a family sword, not Sams. As Randal said, the sword has been in the family for generations.

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Lord Randyll owns the sword Sam doesnt get shit as a member of the night's watch.

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Kinslaying is much more common than most people who watch the show or read the books think. We have many examples of it and we barely see any of the houses in either show or book. It is frowned upon socially to do it because lords are afraid of their children doing it, and thus promote the idea it is a horrible thing to do. But that doesn't stop it happening.

Oathbreaking doesn't even register as an issue here.

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"Have to disagree with you. The sword is a family sword, not Sams. As Randal said, the sword has been in the family for generations."

Sam is a member of the family. The eldest son. By law, the sword is his.

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The sword WAS Sam's by birthright. It belongs to the family. It doesn't belong to Randyll personally. What a ridiculous notion. Since Sam took his night's watch vows though he no longer is entitled to anything from House Tarly including the sword. So Sam did actually steal the sword. If he had never joined the night's watch what he did would have been perfectly within his rights. 

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6 minutes ago, Vastet said:

"Have to disagree with you. The sword is a family sword, not Sams. As Randal said, the sword has been in the family for generations."

Sam is a member of the family. The eldest son. By law, the sword is his.

he is not the heir, he took himself out of the run when he swore into the nightwatch. the sword, the land, the castle all of that passes to dickon.

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51 minutes ago, Vastet said:



No, Randyll is the thief for denying Sam his birthright. Sam took what was his.

Are you serious? 

First off, Randyll is alive, by tradition it's wouldn't be Sam's until he was dead. 

Secondly, it's not a law that Heartsbane be handed down to the first born son, it's just a tradition, although a prick move, Randyll has every right to deny Sam the sword. 

Thirdly, when Sam said his vows to the Watch, he renownced any claim to Hornhill, as well as Heartsbane, as traditionally it would go to the lord of Hornhill. 

Heartsbane is Randylls and Rickon is in line to inherit it once Randyll dies. 

Show Sam is a deserter, oathbreaker, and a thief. 

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"he is not the heir, he took himself out of the run when he swore into the nightwatch. the sword, the land, the castle all of that passes to dickon."

If that were true then Mormont had no business taking Longclaw with him.

The sword is Sam's, period.

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Conversation that presumably took place

Cold hands: I am old benjen kenobi

Bran: cool, that makes total sense

Cold Hands: Hey what ever happened to Hodor

Bran: oh yeah, he died last night

Cold hands: meh, he was a tard neway

Bran: ftw

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2 minutes ago, Vastet said:

"he is not the heir, he took himself out of the run when he swore into the nightwatch. the sword, the land, the castle all of that passes to dickon."

If that were true then Mormont had no business taking Longclaw with him.

The sword is Sam's, period.

No, the sword was Mormont's property before he went to the wall. The example you just brought up supports the argument against you. Or I suppose you are calling Mormont a thief as well. 

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7 minutes ago, Vastet said:

"he is not the heir, he took himself out of the run when he swore into the nightwatch. the sword, the land, the castle all of that passes to dickon."

If that were true then Mormont had no business taking Longclaw with him.

The sword is Sam's, period.

Why? Long claw was his, presumably given to him by his father. He gave it to his son who disgraced the family name and gave it back. 

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27 minutes ago, Vastet said:

Kinslaying is much more common than most people who watch the show or read the books think. We have many examples of it and we barely see any of the houses in either show or book. It is frowned upon socially to do it because lords are afraid of their children doing it, and thus promote the idea it is a horrible thing to do. But that doesn't stop it happening.

Oathbreaking doesn't even register as an issue here.

Ha. Yeah, pathbreaking is basically a non-issue. Sam is in the nights watch on his way to become a maester with a child when he robs his dads sword.

Jamie, obvs.

Not sure if arya took an oath but worst faceless man ever.

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On May 30, 2016 at 2:50 AM, JagLover said:

There has to be enough time for Dany to walk to Vaes Dothrak, gather everyone together and arrive back within a week's ride of Merreen. Could easily have been a few months and many animals can grow allot in that time. 

Maybe Gentry can pick her up in his row boat if he isn't using it to get Littlefinger place the place.

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48 minutes ago, Vastet said:

Kinslaying is much more common than most people who watch the show or read the books think. We have many examples of it and we barely see any of the houses in either show or book. It is frowned upon socially to do it because lords are afraid of their children doing it, and thus promote the idea it is a horrible thing to do. But that doesn't stop it happening.

Oathbreaking doesn't even register as an issue here.

:lol: ... :lmao: ... :rofl:

Oh wait... Again, are you serious? 

Kinslaying is a great taboo in Westeros. Any individual who kills a member of their own family is dubbed a kinslayer, and believed to be cursed forever.[1] Many nobles andsmallfolk believe this, and thus those who slay their own blood are usually looked down upon or shunned. Across Westeros, in the religions of the old gods, the Faith of the Seven, and even of the Drowned God, men state that "no man is so accursed as the kinslayer" and that "the kinslayer is accursed in the eyes of gods and men".[1][2][3][4]

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38 minutes ago, johndance said:

The sword WAS Sam's by birthright. It belongs to the family. It doesn't belong to Randyll personally. What a ridiculous notion. Since Sam took his night's watch vows though he no longer is entitled to anything from House Tarly including the sword. So Sam did actually steal the sword. If he had never joined the night's watch what he did would have been perfectly within his rights. 

Not sure it would have been perfectly in his rights to take HB assuming no NW until after Randyl died. I would imagine it belongs to the Lord of Horn Hill...whomever that is at the time.

 

As for breaking oaths, sam broke takes the case. Night's Watchmen on his way to Citadel to become Maester with his girlfriend goes to his dads house and steals Heartsbane because he felt he was owed it. Wtf? And I assume Randlyl would have called the captain of his cards and sent a small army after sam, took his sword back and split him in two.

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No, the sword was Mormont's property before he went to the wall. The example you just brought up supports the argument against you. Or I suppose you are calling Mormont a thief as well. 



No it doesn't. Mormont had no male heirs left to pass it to. But if one must renounce all property of any kind, then Mormont broke his vows by bringing Longclaw to the wall.

Ha. Yeah, pathbreaking is basically a non-issue. Sam is in the nights watch on his way to become a maester with a child when he robs his dads sword



Sam is doing as he was commanded. He isn't an oathbreaker.

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Kinslaying is a great taboo in Westeros. Any individual who kills a member of their own family is dubbed a kinslayer, and believed to be cursed forever.[1] Many nobles andsmallfolk believe this, and thus those who slay their own blood are usually looked down upon or shunned. Across Westeros, in the religions of the old gods, the Faith of the Seven, and even of the Drowned God, men state that "no man is so accursed as the kinslayer" and that "the kinslayer is blah blah blah



Absolutely none of which counters my point.

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2 minutes ago, Vastet said:



No it doesn't. Mormont had no male heirs left to pass it to. But if one must renounce all property of any kind, then Mormont broke his vows by bringing Longclaw to the wall.
 



Sam is doing as he was commanded. He isn't an oathbreaker.

Sam is boning a wildling. Oath break. Sam just stole the birthright of his house. Oathbreak. Sam is starting a family. Oath break.

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4 minutes ago, Vastet said:


Sam is doing as he was commanded. He isn't an oathbreaker.

Who commanded Sam to steal his father's ancestral sword?

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