Drogon over Kings Landing

[CrypticWeirwood]

3 hours ago, tugela said:

It isn't 10000 miles. The narrow sea isn't called the narrow sea because it is wide. A flying dragon is probably going well in excess of 100 miles an hour, and if it remains in the air it can cover vast distances in a few days.

No, it isn't 10,000 miles, but it's much farther than you seem to be thinking. 

From King's Landing to Meereen is about the same distance as New York to London at something like 3,500 miles, so round trip is twice that.  

Dragons are not supersonic fighter jets who fly around the world and back. It doesn't make any sense to me that they would go on such a very very long flight.

[tugela]

Large wing birds like albatrosses can cover up to 1000 km a day, and stay in flight for extremely long periods of time using highly efficient dynamic soaring techniques. A dragon presumably would be at least similar, so it would be pretty easy for one to fly to Westeros in a few days while just cruising around.

[Adam141414]

In the first season, Ser Jorah said the Dothraki would not take Kings Landing. However, Robert Baratheon said the Dothraki would camp outside the city, cut off provisions and raid surrounding villages, and as the people starve, they then decide Viserys is the rightful ruler after all.

Dany took Meeren without violence. So by flying Drogon over KL, she could give the people a decision - cleanse the power structure of KL, or face burning like the people did in Harrenhal. Although unlikely, as Dany wont want to destroy the city. 

Also, how is KL unaware of the fully grown dragons? I thought the spyring ran by LF and Qyburn was wide in range, yet both are oblivious to three fully grown dragons. 

 

 

[aryagonnakill#2]

Eventually Drogon will fly over Kings Landing, but obviously not in episode 8.  If as it appears Dany returns in episode 8, and leaves Mereen in episode 9, the season could end with Drogon flying over Kings Landing, but that is very doubtful.

Volantis has been shown enough, and supported the harpies, so I think she will also have a stopover there.

[CrypticWeirwood]

17 hours ago, Adam141414 said:

In the first season, Ser Jorah said the Dothraki would not take Kings Landing. However, Robert Baratheon said the Dothraki would camp outside the city, cut off provisions and raid surrounding villages, and as the people starve, they then decide Viserys is the rightful ruler after all.

Dany took Meeren without violence. So by flying Drogon over KL, she could give the people a decision - cleanse the power structure of KL, or face burning like the people did in Harrenhal. Although unlikely, as Dany wont want to destroy the city. 

Also, how is KL unaware of the fully grown dragons? I thought the spyring ran by LF and Qyburn was wide in range, yet both are oblivious to three fully grown dragons. 

They aren’t “fully grown” yet.  Balerion the Black Dragon could swallow a mammoth in one fell gulp.  If you do the math, that’s incredibly larger than anything we’ve yet seen.

Not even Drogon, who is Balerion come again, has achieved those proportions, and neither Rhaegal the Green nor Viserion the White has yet reached Drogon’s size.

As for Dany not burning the city, I hardly think the Unburnt Queen shall come to an unburnt capital.  It shall have burned itself into an ashen cinder long before she arrives, and perhaps before she even begins her journey.

[TickTak7]

On 6/9/2016 at 5:55 AM, tugela said:

There are three dragons, and they are not chained up any more. My guess is that one of them goes exploring and flies over Kings Landing, which would be quite interesting because it would put the fear of god(s) into the inhabitants. Up till then the stories they heard about Daenerys and her dragons would be just stories, so they wouldn't be taken seriously as an imminent threat. A dragon flying over your city however would be a very sharp reminder that they are quite real and could be arriving any day now, not some hypothetical time distant in the future.

A dragon flying over the city will force all the parties there to put their differences behind them, because if Daenerys shows up with her dragons and her armies, they will ALL be toast. A dragon overhead will be a game changing reset of the political landscape in Kings Landing. They will not be able to ignore Daenerys any longer.

Possibly. 

I think King's Landing / Westeros would have a much more visceral reaction to seeing Dany flying in on Drogon, rather than just seeing a random dragon flying over. 

Come to think of it also, that dragon shadow looked massive. Almost like an airplane flying over a city. Drogon has much more growing to do before he gets there. 

[tugela]

1 hour ago, TickTak7 said:

Possibly. 

I think King's Landing / Westeros would have a much more visceral reaction to seeing Dany flying in on Drogon, rather than just seeing a random dragon flying over. 

Come to think of it also, that dragon shadow looked massive. Almost like an airplane flying over a city. Drogon has much more growing to do before he gets there. 

From the ground they would not be looking at a rider (who would probably not be visible anyway). Unless Daenerys had her army at their doorstep (in which case they would know about the dragons anyway) it would be a stray dragon exploring that just happened to fly over the city.

Drogon is pretty big already.

[Lord Lannister]

On 6/9/2016 at 6:21 PM, tugela said:

Large wing birds like albatrosses can cover up to 1000 km a day, and stay in flight for extremely long periods of time using highly efficient dynamic soaring techniques. A dragon presumably would be at least similar, so it would be pretty easy for one to fly to Westeros in a few days while just cruising around.

Drogon has already demonstrated the ability to range from Mereen to Valyria and Vaes Dothrak. That's pretty much half the trip right there.

[TheGreenBell]

He will reach KL in 5 mins

[adiman83]

On 6/7/2016 at 0:58 AM, Aemond Targaryen said:

Will we see in the next few episodes (if not in episode 8) Danny flying Drogon over Kings Landing? 

I'm quite certain it won't happen in 6. Which is a shame, because it would've been a cool season finale.

Imagine a conflict/scandal in KL, possibly over Cersei's trial. They suddenly hear a roar, everyone looks up and the crowd sees the three dragons flying above Kings Landing. And fade to black.

[TickTak7]

22 hours ago, tugela said:

From the ground they would not be looking at a rider (who would probably not be visible anyway). Unless Daenerys had her army at their doorstep (in which case they would know about the dragons anyway) it would be a stray dragon exploring that just happened to fly over the city.

Drogon is pretty big already.

I don't that a random dragon flying over King's Landing would have anywhere near enough dramatic effect as Dany riding over as one. 

And you are right - looking up, she might not be visible, but if she lands on the red keep, or on the sept of baelor, etc., then she instantly becomes noticeable and it becomes a very cool scene. An far more impactful than random dragon flying over. 

Who knows though. Let's see what happens. Think we can both agree that it would be great to see that dragon scene before the season ends. 

[tugela]

If a dragon flew overhead unexpectedly, I can guarantee that no one would be peering to look and see who was riding it, not to mention that no one in Kings Landing has any idea what she actually looks like even if they could see her.

She would not land alone in an enemy city where the first reaction would be to cut her head off. That is unrealistic.

[adiman83]

On 6/14/2016 at 5:38 AM, TickTak7 said:

I don't that a random dragon flying over King's Landing would have anywhere near enough dramatic effect as Dany riding over as one. 

It actually would. The thing is cities and castles in that world are not built to defend themselves against an airstrike. Also, everyone knows what what happened to Harrenhall. So people in Westeros know how dangerous dragons are. Seeing the dragons flying above them would have a huge psychological impact. 

Imagine yourself living in that world. All your life you heard stories of Balerion and how dragon fire can burn so hot it melts stone. You suddenly see three dragons in the sky, flying in formation. You would be scared shitless. 

Now, the dragons appearing in Westeros might have another effect. Quite a number of Houses might reveal their hidden Targaryen loyalism and support Dany. For example, in the books it's known that Dorne supports the Targaryens and even House Tarly are Targaryen loyalists.

[It's ok I'm the Glass Guy]

Having a dragon in the neighborhood would be a very scary thing for King's Landing. But it would be far more horrifying to know that the dragon you just saw was at the control of a political enemy. 

A wild dragon may decide not to harass the city and may stay in the wild. Knights and weapons will be assembled with a good chance of success against it. It could even be hunted to a lair. 

A dragon ridden as a war machine is a different threat. There would be no chance of said dragon ignoring the cities. The dragon would likely be supported by troops and maybe siege craft, making it impossible to hunt and far more difficult to slay. 

And if the people of KL recognise the hair color of a Targaryen as the dragon's master, they would know the dragon is like to be at the maximum threat level. 

[TickTak7]

7 hours ago, adiman83 said:

It actually would. The thing is cities and castles in that world are not built to defend themselves against an airstrike. Also, everyone knows what what happened to Harrenhall. So people in Westeros know how dangerous dragons are. Seeing the dragons flying above them would have a huge psychological impact. 

Imagine yourself living in that world. All your life you heard stories of Balerion and how dragon fire can burn so hot it melts stone. You suddenly see three dragons in the sky, flying in formation. You would be scared shitless. 

Now, the dragons appearing in Westeros might have another effect. Quite a number of Houses might reveal their hidden Targaryen loyalism and support Dany. For example, in the books it's known that Dorne supports the Targaryens and even House Tarly are Targaryen loyalists.

............I'm talking from the viewer's perspective & a story-tellers perspective. 

Hence "dramatic" effect. 

[ash]

 

[nara]

I think it would be interesting if Drogon was seen flying over KL while Cersei burned down the city with wildfire. People might assume Dany burned down the city with her dragon.

[TickTak7]

On 6/10/2016 at 3:16 AM, Adam141414 said:

In the first season, Ser Jorah said the Dothraki would not take Kings Landing. However, Robert Baratheon said the Dothraki would camp outside the city, cut off provisions and raid surrounding villages, and as the people starve, they then decide Viserys is the rightful ruler after all.

Dany took Meeren without violence. So by flying Drogon over KL, she could give the people a decision - cleanse the power structure of KL, or face burning like the people did in Harrenhal. Although unlikely, as Dany wont want to destroy the city. 

Also, how is KL unaware of the fully grown dragons? I thought the spyring ran by LF and Qyburn was wide in range, yet both are oblivious to three fully grown dragons. 

 

 

The actor who plays Jaime, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, said in an interview with IGN that the crown knows and gets word of what is happening around the world - from the wall to the dragons. 

He said that the messages seem unbelievable that they are basically mocked and ignored. 

Plus, as Ned said in season 1, Dany is so far away from the reach of the Seven Kingdoms that she really isn't worth getting worried about. I think that's the casual mindset they are taking now. 

And in their defense, even if they were to believe that a Targaryen with 3 dragons was a real and present threat, what theoretically could they even do to combat that? 

[The Dames do Moan]

2 hours ago, TickTak7 said:

The actor who plays Jaime, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, said in an interview with IGN that the crown knows and gets word of what is happening around the world - from the wall to the dragons. 

He said that the messages seem unbelievable that they are basically mocked and ignored. 

Plus, as Ned said in season 1, Dany is so far away from the reach of the Seven Kingdoms that she really isn't worth getting worried about. I think that's the casual mindset they are taking now. 

And in their defense, even if they were to believe that a Targaryen with 3 dragons was a real and present threat, what theoretically could they even do to combat that? 

Yeah I would definetly tend to agree with the lacadasacle attitude. We even had that scene in season 3 with Joffrey and Tywin in the throne room. Joff questions Tywin about the reports regarding Dany's dragons and that there are too many similar stories to discount. Basically Tywin calms him down by saying that the last dragons heads were the size of his fist. Whether he was truely scared shitless and just trying to ease Joffrey or not IDK.

But it sure seems that he was just letting it go as a non- threat, at least for now.

Now they are both dead now, Tywin was certainly well informed but with Joffrey hearing seperate reports, Varys and Tyrion hearing reports as of season 2, you'd think the remaining nobles in KL have heard similar ones.