Ghost (spoilers)

[youshallnotpass]

It is rumoured that Jon 

Spoiler

Decides to imprison Ramsey instead of killing him. I think Jon will let Ghost kill Ramsey in episode 10. I would love to see this. 

Thoughts? 

[JonisHenryTudor]

To be honest, I am not really sure what good imprisoning Ramsay will do. He isn't very useful as a POW, and if he gets to Ramsay it most likely means that all or most of the Bolton are dead. 

If anything, Jon will follow his father's lead and execute Ramsay immediately. The only reason that I can see Ramsay be taken as prisoner that makes any sense whatsoever, is if that Jon intends on executing him in front of all the northern lords. But given the threat to the north, it seems a bit folly for jon to waste time with that. Unless of course he feels it is the only way for the Northern houses to return their previous allegiance to House Stark. 

 

As far as Ghost goes. I can't see Jon imprisoning Ramsay and keeping him to feed to Ghost at a later date. Ned's words: (paraphrased) the man who passes the judgement should swing the sword. That is something Jon takes to heart. 

[Baelor_the_Blessed]

I really can't see Jon merely imprisoning Ramsey. He beheaded Ser Janos Slynt for insubordination, but imprisons the guy who raped his sister and killed his brother???

[Destiel's Child]

1 hour ago, JonisHenryTudor said:

As far as Ghost goes. I can't see Jon imprisoning Ramsay and keeping him to feed to Ghost at a later date. Ned's words: (paraphrased) the man who passes the judgement should swing the sword. That is something Jon takes to heart. 

So, shouldn't it be Sansa who gets to finish him?

[JonisHenryTudor]

5 minutes ago, Stoned_Heart said:

So, shouldn't it be Sansa who gets to finish him?

He may allow Sansa to, but I don't think he will. Besides, by attacking Ramsay, Jon is effectively passing a sentence against him. Sansa may request to, and Jon may concede to her wish; but in either case, I think Ramsay will be executed on spot if he isn't killed during the fight. 

 

And to be honest, can anyone envision Ramsay submitting or laying down his arms? It seems out of character to me, and I can see Ramsay fighting until the end. 

[Destiel's Child]

I think it's Sansa who technically passed sentence as she is the one who declared war to get Rickon back.  She had to convince Jon to join her cause, by convincing him that it was their cause.  I still feel that she is the one most wronged by Ramsay.

maybe it's Ramsay on one of the Bolton crosses, or just wishful thinking.

 

[JonisHenryTudor]

3 minutes ago, Stoned_Heart said:

maybe it's Ramsay on one of the Bolton crosses, or just wishful thinking.

I don't think Jon would do that, but that would be an interesting twist of fate. I think the burning crosses represent Ramsay's futile attempt at psychological warfare. He might as well hang bones from the Winterfell crypts; that would certainly fit his character. 

 

Whatever happens....I just hope it isn't a replication of the most recent King Arthur film (I think it is--the one with Keira Knightley) where Arthur meets the Saxon lord in the middle of the battle pounding his chest...and then... 

[Destiel's Child]

5 minutes ago, JonisHenryTudor said:

I don't think Jon would do that, but that would be an interesting twist of fate. I think the burning crosses represent Ramsay's futile attempt at psychological warfare. He might as well hang bones from the Winterfell crypts; that would certainly fit his character. 

 

Whatever happens....I just hope it isn't a replication of the most recent King Arthur film (I think it is--the one with Keira Knightley) where Arthur meets the Saxon lord in the middle of the battle pounding his chest...and then... 

You're right, it's entirely inappropriate to be faffing around with flaying when there is all this other crap going on

[Ice C]

Well, I'd prefer a Wun-Wun-situation.

And they should spare us a dialogue of the bastards ("You're just like me, Jon SNOW, you know that feeling when they don't respect you blablabla")!

[Destiel's Child]

6 minutes ago, Ice C said:

Well, I'd prefer a Wun-Wun-situation.

And they should spare us a dialogue of the bastards ("You're just like me, Jon SNOW, you know that feeling when they don't respect you blablabla")!

Yes, but then Jon could say something like,

Spoiler

"if we're the same, then show me you can come back from the dead, bastard!"

 

[binhorde]

if Ramsay isn't eaten by his own hounds that D&D shoved down our throats for 3 seasons than they're basically just sadists. It means there would have been literally no plot point to all those hounds eating people alive scenes other than shock porn.

[JonisHenryTudor]

9 hours ago, Ice C said:

Well, I'd prefer a Wun-Wun-situation.

And they should spare us a dialogue of the bastards ("You're just like me, Jon SNOW, you know that feeling when they don't respect you blablabla")!

What do you mean? 

 

1 hour ago, binhorde said:

if Ramsay isn't eaten by his own hounds that D&D shoved down our throats for 3 seasons than they're basically just sadists. It means there would have been literally no plot point to all those hounds eating people alive scenes other than shock porn.

I find this to be a little odd. Just because A happens doesn't necessarily mean B has to happen. The hounds already played their role as Ramsay's machines of death. I don't think their role needs to extend to eating Ramsay in fear of them becoming pointless. Not everything has to have a plot. The hounds are a part of Ramsay's character and his world. They highlight his proclivity towards brutality. If the hounds are killed after the battle, that doesn't diminish their role in the previous story. Dogs are also fiercely loyal, and these dogs are trained to listen to Ramsay. Having them maul him to death just doesn't make sense at all. 

 

It's almost the same as suggesting that if the Mountain doesn't kill Cersei, his entire arc is pointless. To be honest, I think it would be more appropriate for Ghost to kill Ramsay. There is a narrative "hooray" for fans plus a symbolic meaning there. Having Ghost kill Ramsay suggests that Ramsay and his men behave like rabid dogs and are brutal, but at the end of the day the noble wolf wins the day.  

 

 

Besides, I think of think the idea of Ramsay dying by the jaws of his hounds is rather cartonish, but that is my opinion. 

[aryagonnakill#2]

34 minutes ago, JonisHenryTudor said:

What do you mean? 

 

I find this to be a little odd. Just because A happens doesn't necessarily mean B has to happen. The hounds already played their role as Ramsay's machines of death. I don't think their role needs to extend to eating Ramsay in fear of them becoming pointless. Not everything has to have a plot. The hounds are a part of Ramsay's character and his world. They highlight his proclivity towards brutality. If the hounds are killed after the battle, that doesn't diminish their role in the previous story. Dogs are also fiercely loyal, and these dogs are trained to listen to Ramsay. Having them maul him to death just doesn't make sense at all. 

 

It's almost the same as suggesting that if the Mountain doesn't kill Cersei, his entire arc is pointless. To be honest, I think it would be more appropriate for Ghost to kill Ramsay. There is a narrative "hooray" for fans plus a symbolic meaning there. Having Ghost kill Ramsay suggests that Ramsay and his men behave like rabid dogs and are brutal, but at the end of the day the noble wolf wins the day.  

 

 

Besides, I think of think the idea of Ramsay dying by the jaws of his hounds is rather cartonish, but that is my opinion. 

Some people feel the fact that the hounds grew closer to Theon than Ramsay is foreshadowing of Theon using them to kill him,  but obviously the books and show diverge here.

 

Maybe Ramsay will be used as a sacrifice to the old gods, entrails in tree branches and all.

[JonisHenryTudor]

3 minutes ago, aryagonnakill#2 said:

Some people feel the fact that the hounds grew closer to Theon than Ramsay is foreshadowing of Theon using them to kill him,  but obviously the books and show diverge here.

 

Maybe Ramsay will be used as a sacrifice to the old gods, entrails in tree branches and all.

That's an interesting sight. All this actually happens before Bran enters tree...he is really snacking on Ramsay paste..ok that's too far...

 

 

I did forget about the Theon/hound relationship. That would make sense if the hounds began taking orders from Theon.

 

But I don't think the hounds necessarily need to maul Ramsay to have a point in the show. 

[Ice C]

13 hours ago, Stoned_Heart said:

Yes, but then Jon could say something like,

  Hide contents

"if we're the same, then show me you can come back from the dead, bastard!"

 

"Lend me that red chick, and I will." Or Ramsey going musical, "We're one but we're not the same...."? 
Ok, back to topic:

Quote

What do you mean? 

It would be better without any epic death scene, just Ramsey getting killed by an anonymous foot soldier, or casually smashed against a wall without any Hollywood speeches or long preparations. It would be more realistic - not Errol Flynn like fighting up the mast so the villain may fall down into the sea... That's what I mean.  

[JonisHenryTudor]

4 minutes ago, Ice C said:

"Lend me that red chick, and I will." Or Ramsey going musical, "We're one but we're not the same...."? 
Ok, back to topic:

It would be better without any epic death scene, just Ramsey getting killed by an anonymous foot soldier, or casually smashed against a wall without any Hollywood speeches or long preparations. It would be more realistic - not Errol Flynn like fighting up the mast so the villain may fall down into the sea... That's what I mean.  

Ahhh ok. But are you suggesting that Wun-Wun kills him? I agree, just curious, that's all. I would rather Ghost charge at him then some bizarre scene with Jon and Ramsay taking off the gloves like fight club... I can see Jon kicking the crap out of him, or Jon charging for him and killing him mid battle. But corning him to have a death match...please no.

 

Sadly...I can see Wun-Wun sacrificing himself to break the "phalanx". 

[Arya_Stormborn]

21 hours ago, JonisHenryTudor said:

As far as Ghost goes. I can't see Jon imprisoning Ramsay and keeping him to feed to Ghost at a later date. Ned's words: (paraphrased) the man who passes the judgement should swing the sword. That is something Jon takes to heart. 

He could warg into Ghost and then eat Ramsay.

[CrypticWeirwood]

25 minutes ago, Arya_Stormborn said:

He could warg into Ghost and then eat Ramsay.

I'm not sure he ever left.

[Not a kneeler]

If Ghost were my dog I would want him to be careful what he ate. No junk food.

To be honest, I don't care how Ramsey meets his end. I just want it to happen now. I am so over him. Let this be his last appearance.

[~DarkHorse~]

As satisfying as it would be, I don't think Ghost will be the one to kill Ramsay. The rumors I have come across say: 

 

Jon goes berserk on Ramsay, nearly beating him to death but then Sansa arrives so he stops, not wanting her to see him like that. They then decide to imprison him, later (episode 10) he is fed to his own dogs. One source suggested that it is Littlefinger who does this....which, would be extremely shit.

However, other sources have said that Ghost will appear in episode 10

 

The scene in the trailer with Littlefinger in the snow, is him meeting Jon. Special effects were used in this scene for Ghost ( the leak came from someone working on the special effects, apparently). Ghost circles Littlefinger in a predatory manner and then Jon emerges. Littlefinger tells Jon "a big claim of knowledge he is in possession of."