Conchobar Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 11 hours ago, Ser Bronn Blackfyre said: Dany literally wakes dragons out of stone (the eggs) amidst smoke when the red star is bleeding (comet above Westeros) by stepping into the pyre (dying) but coming out unharmed (being reborn) But she is annoying as fuck, she can't be azor ahai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhaenysBee Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 The show will either proclaim Jon or Daenerys or both Azor Ahai/TPTWP/TSWMTW. As for the books, I do not believe Martin will ever explicitly reveal who is Azor Ahai and the rest. That is still preferable to a full random character being Azor Ahai and the rest, in my opinion. I mean I have no hopes left for either the books or the show. But hey, I'm wrong and it's gonna be epic, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Catspaw Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 In regards to Melisandre, "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...strike three". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trollosi Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I think Jon is the song of ice (lyanna stark) & fire (rhaegar targaryen). The WW are extreme ice, Dany is extreme fire. In season 7, Jon will have to deal with ice (WW), while the Lannisters will fight Dany. In season 8, Jon will battle it out against fire (Dany). Source: just random thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Tiger Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 50 minutes ago, Trollosi said: I think Jon is the song of ice (lyanna stark) & fire (rhaegar targaryen). The WW are extreme ice, Dany is extreme fire. In season 7, Jon will have to deal with ice (WW), while the Lannisters will fight Dany. In season 8, Jon will battle it out against fire (Dany). Source: just random thought We dont know if there will be a season 8, there's gonna be about 13 more episodes after this season and then its over. Obviously you could have 2 smaller seasons, but im thinking they'll go for 1 bigger season. I also dont see Jon and Dany figthing eachother, as I dont think the audience will be invested in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facelessaryas Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 10 minutes ago, Red Tiger said: We dont know if there will be a season 8, there's gonna be about 13 more episodes after this season and then its over. Obviously you could have 2 smaller seasons, but im thinking they'll go for 1 bigger season. I also dont see Jon and Dany figthing eachother, as I dont think the audience will be invested in that. I just read an article (Vanity Fair) the other day where a director Jack Bender, said he was so proud to have been a part of the show, it sounded like his exit interview, but he said 7 episodes next year and he didn't think he'd be back. So it's sounding like two more split years. I'm disappointed, wish they'd do one more big season, but I guess HBO ain't ready to let it go yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhaenysBee Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 6 minutes ago, Red Tiger said: We dont know if there will be a season 8, there's gonna be about 13 more episodes after this season and then its over. Obviously you could have 2 smaller seasons, but im thinking they'll go for 1 bigger season. I also dont see Jon and Dany figthing eachother, as I dont think the audience will be invested in that. Wasn't in confirmed months ago that there will be two shorter seasons? Not sure, I have a vague memory of an EW article on Facebook that said D&D wanted to wrap it up but HBO wanted to stretch it and making two shorter seasons was the compromise. Maybe the jury is still out on how many episodes there will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Null Infinity Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 10 minutes ago, RhaeBee said: Wasn't in confirmed months ago that there will be two shorter seasons? Not sure, I have a vague memory of an EW article on Facebook that said D&D wanted to wrap it up but HBO wanted to stretch it and making two shorter seasons was the compromise. Maybe the jury is still out on how many episodes there will be. They just signed for another season (season 7), we don't even know the number of the episodes in that season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Tiger Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 18 minutes ago, RhaeBee said: Wasn't in confirmed months ago that there will be two shorter seasons? Not sure, I have a vague memory of an EW article on Facebook that said D&D wanted to wrap it up but HBO wanted to stretch it and making two shorter seasons was the compromise. Maybe the jury is still out on how many episodes there will be. 8 minutes ago, Future Null Infinity said: They just signed for another season (season 7), we don't even know the number of the episodes in that season Yeah, I dont recall reading about any hard confirmation of the season 7 episode count. Rhae could be right, but I havent read anything solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Null Infinity Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, Red Tiger said: Yeah, I dont recall reading about any hard confirmation of the season 7 episode count. Rhae could be right, but I havent read anything solid. D&D want two shorter final seasons, but they are negotiating about it because HBO wants 10 full seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Tiger Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 1 minute ago, Future Null Infinity said: D&D want two shorter final seasons, but they are negotiating about it because HBO wants 10 full seasons I really hope its just one season, I dont wanna see season 7 end on another lame cliffhanger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Null Infinity Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 they said that the production of all the episodes of the season become too hard, and if that's continue then next season they will miss the deadline, this why they want to divide the 13 episodes in two seasons, because if they will make all the 13 together they will surely miss the deadline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhaenysBee Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 12 minutes ago, Red Tiger said: Yeah, I dont recall reading about any hard confirmation of the season 7 episode count. Rhae could be right, but I havent read anything solid. 21 minutes ago, Future Null Infinity said: They just signed for another season (season 7), we don't even know the number of the episodes in that season At this point there are 7 episodes listed for season 7 on IMDb, but I assume they got this from the same article I mentioned. And yeah, 8 minutes ago, Future Null Infinity said: D&D want two shorter final seasons, but they are negotiating about it because HBO wants 10 full seasons That would be horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facelessaryas Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 22 minutes ago, Future Null Infinity said: they said that the production of all the episodes of the season become too hard, and if that's continue then next season they will miss the deadline, this why they want to divide the 13 episodes in two seasons, because if they will make all the 13 together they will surely miss the deadline Yeah, I heard that as well. They barely make the deadline doing 10. It's seems given the director interview, 7 next episodes is a sure thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Keep in mind Azor Ahai is a legend specific to the followers of R'hllor. People in Westeros don't give a crap about AA. Add to that GRRM generally tells us through the various religious viewpoints that it seems likely each religion is merely humans' interpretation of supernatural and/or magical events in their world. Therefore, is seems to me that there really isn't going to be a literal Jon or Dany = AA. There may be some consistent findings pointing to one or the other, but future historians of Westeros will probably debate this point ad infinitum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Lovejoy Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Correct me if I'm wrong, but "Azor Ahai" has not even been mentioned on the show, just "the prince that was promised" - as a non-book reader I don't pretend to know the difference but in the grand scheme of the show it seems like it isn't important, just that there is a so called savior against the long night. I may be mixing up some of what I read on this forum versus what I've seen on the show, but wasn't Rhaegar convinced he was AA and that idea informed his whole life's mission, until he decided that his child was AA? I sort of like the idea that the prophecy is really a self-fulfilling one in that so long as people are aware of the prophecy and aspire to be AA, whether out of unchecked ambition (Dany), duty (Stannis and/or Jon), or some other reason, then there will be people leading the charge against the WW and the realm will be saved. There are multiple AAs. Or there are no AAs. It doesn't matter, what matters is that there are capable people offering themselves to lead the battle to save humanity. But I'm probably wrong and it's Dany and Jon. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhaenysBee Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 19 minutes ago, Lucius Lovejoy said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but "Azor Ahai" has not even been mentioned on the show, just "the prince that was promised" - as a non-book reader I don't pretend to know the difference but in the grand scheme of the show it seems like it isn't important, just that there is a so called savior against the long night. I may be mixing up some of what I read on this forum versus what I've seen on the show, but wasn't Rhaegar convinced he was AA and that idea informed his whole life's mission, until he decided that his child was AA? I sort of like the idea that the prophecy is really a self-fulfilling one in that so long as people are aware of the prophecy and aspire to be AA, whether out of unchecked ambition (Dany), duty (Stannis and/or Jon), or some other reason, then there will be people leading the charge against the WW and the realm will be saved. There are multiple AAs. Or there are no AAs. It doesn't matter, what matters is that there are capable people offering themselves to lead the battle to save humanity. But I'm probably wrong and it's Dany and Jon. Ugh. I wouldn't be able to tell if Azor Ahai was mentioned or not, but you are absolutely right. The general understanding/leading theory is that Azor Ahai, The Prince/One That Was Promised, The Stallion Who Mounts The World (and all the other prophecied saviors) are the same. They are all the one savior the world is waiting for customized for different religions and cultures. Azor Ahai is the savior of the Fire God religion, in the books Mel declares Stannis Azor Ahai. The Prince that Was Promised is the savior the Targaryens were waiting for, the one Rhaegar was obsessed with. The Stallion Who Mounts the World is the Dothraki equivalent who Daenerys and Drogo's baby was supposed to be. From here it goes two ways, some fans believe there is a character who is actually this prophecied savior (Jon or Daenerys most likely) and some believe what you said, that these are all self fulfilling prophecies and everybody/nobody is the savior, the prophecies only serve as a catalyst for the people who believe in them to work for a greater purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Gareth Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 21 hours ago, Darksky said: So Martin is all about the most obvious things, all about making the prophecies straightforward and literal eh? Actually? Pretty much yes. GRRM's reputation for breaking tropes and being really mysterious and cryptic is vastly over rated in my opinion. The story is turning out to be pretty standard fantasy fare. Other than GRRM's insistence on including as many torture porn characters as possible. That's pretty unusual outside of the slasher genre! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 My guess... You have one Red Priestess swearing up and down that it's got to be Jon. You have another Red Priestess saying it's Dany. So it's probably neither. My guess is still Jamie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tugela Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 On 6/16/2016 at 4:02 PM, Ser Bronn Blackfyre said: Dany literally wakes dragons out of stone (the eggs) amidst smoke when the red star is bleeding (comet above Westeros) by stepping into the pyre (dying) but coming out unharmed (being reborn) The red star bleeding is Arthur Dayne of Starfall in the Red mountains bleeding after receiving a mortal wound from Ned and Howland. Being born from smoke and salt refers to the tower of joy burning during the ritual birth of the dragon child, while salt refers to the tears for Lyanna dieing. Prophecy is not about Daenerys and her dragons. It is about the tower of joy and what happens there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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