Dany's feminist conspiracy

[Adam141414]

Having seen Dany strike an alliance with Yara, heavily influenced by the fact both are women, and Dany thus need not marry, I wonder if striking alliances with women in Westeros will be her tactic of winning support. It was implied by Yara, that Euron will kill Dany and take the throne for himself if she took his alliance which included marriage. I have always felt Dany cannot marry a highborn if she wants to rule herself, as in the GOT world, women are not considered proper rulers, which Cersei has eluded to several times. Sure women can hold power, but its fragile at best. 

Any alliance with a male highborn is bound to carry a marriage alliance.  The only men who have allowed women to run their houses, are Robyn Arryn & Mace Tyrell - two weak idiots. Sure there is Lyanna Mormont in control of House Mormont, but im talking about houses that can offer Dany real purpose, and 62 men will do her nothing. Could you ever imagine Tywin, Robert Baratheon, or Stannis being commanded by a woman? No strong man of a leading house will align with Dany and set beside her, whilst she sits on the Iron Throne. 

Im thinking Dany enters Westeros through Dorne, aligning with Ellaria Martell who is the de-facto ruler of Dorne (resurrect the old Martell-Targaryen alliance). Then of course there is Sansa in the North, who only wants Winterfell. 

 

 

 

[Jon's Queen Consort]

4 hours ago, Adam141414 said:

I wonder if striking alliances with women in Westeros will be her tactic of winning support.

Why the women of Westeros should support Dany because she is a woman?

4 hours ago, Adam141414 said:

The only men who have allowed women to run their houses, are Robyn Arryn & Mace Tyrell - two weak idiots.

Do you know that Robyn is like eight or nine years old and sick?

4 hours ago, Adam141414 said:

Could you ever imagine Tywin, Robert Baratheon, or Stannis being commanded by a woman?

Yes. If a woman proovs that she is strong and good at what she does I don't see why not.

4 hours ago, Adam141414 said:

Elia Martell

Elia is dead for the last 18-20 years.

[Hol Horse]

Partaking in that puff-puff-pass, I see.

[Ser Wun Wun]

If Jon Snow and LF die by the end, Sansa could become the de facto head of the North-Vale-Riverlands alliance.  Then Yara as Queen of the Iron Islands, Lady Olenna representing the Reach, the Sand Snakes taking over Dorne....most of the seven kingdoms could be led by women by series end.  It's not that outlandish a scenario.   

I don't know about them all be allies of Dany though, especially the Sand Snakes.    

 

[Kytheros]

12 minutes ago, Ser Wun Wun said:

If Jon Snow and LF die by the end, Sansa could become the de facto head of the North-Vale-Riverlands alliance.  Then Yara as Queen of the Iron Islands, Lady Olenna representing the Reach, the Sand Snakes taking over Dorne....most of the seven kingdoms could be led by women by series end.  It's not that outlandish a scenario.   

I don't know about them all be allies of Dany though, especially the Sand Snakes.    

 

Sansa is ahead of Jon in the Stark succession. So is Arya. Jon is an acknowledged bastard, not a legitimized one.

[KINGpanther]

Dany and Cersei allies? Sure if Dany hands over Tyrion and Cercei hands over Jaimie. In short NO Fing WAY.

[Rumy Stark]

8 hours ago, Adam141414 said:

Having seen Dany strike an alliance with Yara, heavily influenced by the fact both are women, and Dany thus need not marry, I wonder if striking alliances with women in Westeros will be her tactic of winning support. It was implied by Yara, that Euron will kill Dany and take the throne for himself if she took his alliance which included marriage. I have always felt Dany cannot marry a highborn if she wants to rule herself, as in the GOT world, women are not considered proper rulers, which Cersei has eluded to several times. Sure women can hold power, but its fragile at best. 

Any alliance with a male highborn is bound to carry a marriage alliance.  The only men who have allowed women to run their houses, are Robyn Arryn & Mace Tyrell - two weak idiots. Sure there is Lyanna Mormont in control of House Mormont, but im talking about houses that can offer Dany real purpose, and 62 men will do her nothing. Could you ever imagine Tywin, Robert Baratheon, or Stannis being commanded by a woman? No strong man of a leading house will align with Dany and set beside her, whilst she sits on the Iron Throne. 

Im thinking Dany enters Westeros through Dorne, aligning with Elia Martell who is the de-facto ruler of Dorne (resurrect the old Martell-Targaryen alliance). Then of course there is Sansa in the North, who only wants Winterfell. 

Most of Dany's allies up to this point have been men, actually (Jorah, Selmy, Daario), all of whom had never before followed a woman, so this logic is a little off. Yara and Dany no doubt bonded over the fact that they're both women and both plan to lead on their own in a deeply male-dominated world where such things don't happen, but I really doubt that A) Dany will go around and only strike alliances with women and  most women will ally with her just because they're women. Dany and Yara's alliance was mutually beneficial and Dany struck a hard bargain considering she needed the ships. 

Whether the whole story arc is about women finding power in a male-dominated world is up for debate and something plenty of people talk about, but it's certainly not Dany's agenda. She just wants the throne she views as hers. She's made that pretty clear. She's also not a big fan of rape and would like for that to stop, but otherwise she hasn't really made giving women power a priority, so. 

I do think she'll probably come in through Dorne, but my only support for that is that the Sand Snakes hate the Lannisters and would be happy to see basically anyone else in power, and also I have to believe that Dorne exists for a reason. I don't see Olenna making Dany an ally because Margery is currently the queen, so Dany's claim goes directly against their interests. 

[oprahnoodlemantra]

It could work. Dany could ally with Ellaria, Yara, and eventually Sansa who has a good relationship with Margaery. She'd have a Greyjoy, Martell (sort of), Stark (who also would be leading the Vale and the Riverlands), a Tyrell, and a Lannister.

 

 

Having said that, a bunch of Dothraki and Unsullied won't look good for her.

[Wildling Queen]

Rhollor knows I love a good feminist conspiracy, but I didn't take that as the point of their conversation. I saw it as Yara eliminating Dany's doubts about supporting her claim by pointing out that Yara's and Dany's claims are very similar.

Dany: Have the Iron Islands ever had a ruling queen? Yara: Nope, but neither has Westeros. (My claim to my land is as good as your claim to yours).

Dany: Your father was a terrible ruler. Yara: So was yours. (My claim to my land is as good as your claim to yours.)

[HoodedCrow]

There is the Targjoy ship.

[Ser Yorick Ampersand]

Has the Clinton Foundation given any money to HBO?

[Tianzi]

16 hours ago, Adam141414 said:

Im thinking Dany enters Westeros through Dorne, aligning with Elia Martell who is the de-facto ruler of Dorne (resurrect the old Martell-Targaryen alliance).

Elia Martell is like dead for 20 years.

13 hours ago, Jon's Queen Consort said:

Why the women of Westeros should support Dany because she is a woman?

Could change the law and let them inherit, have a say in marriages and so on?

13 hours ago, Jon's Queen Consort said:

Do you know that Robyn is like eight or nine years old and sick?

In the show? I do not know.

10 hours ago, KINGpanther said:

Dany and Cersei allies?

'See, my father was a shit, and they didn't want to acknowledge my right to rule because I have a vagina. And I like burning things. Sisters forever!'

In Essos it sort of looks like Dany has some feminist interests, and the Westerosi society is crumbling right now... But I say, there are more pressing matters for now, like ice zombies and all, so I don't think the 'feminist' angle will be used for more than giving Dany EMPOWERMENT glow.

[Jon Snow Bengal]

Ahh, this old chestnut. Most men striking alliances with other men are heavily influenced by the fact that, shock horror, they are both male. Boring. 

[VVSINGOFTHECROSS]

11 hours ago, Kytheros said:

Sansa is ahead of Jon in the Stark succession. So is Arya. Jon is an acknowledged bastard, not a legitimized one.

Northmen are probably more likely to follow Jon than Sansa.

[LastManStanding]

38 minutes ago, VVSINGOFTHECROSS said:

Northmen are probably more likely to follow Jon than Sansa.

Any basis for that statement? We've been told that Northern folk will respect the Stark name, and Sansa. Nothing really suggests they would refuse o unite under Sansa. Plus, they are together. 

[Lockjaw of House Boltagon]

18 hours ago, Adam141414 said:

Could you ever imagine Tywin, Robert Baratheon, or Stannis being commanded by a woman?

Yes, actually. All three of them were, to varying degrees, "commanded" by women.

[Little Scribe of Naath]

4 hours ago, LastManStanding said:

Any basis for that statement? We've been told that Northern folk will respect the Stark name, and Sansa. Nothing really suggests they would refuse o unite under Sansa. Plus, they are together. 

The fact that Jon actually has leadership and military experience and knowledge of the true threat the North has now got to face, which are the Others?

I am not sure what Sansa did in this episode which merits her being "Queen in the North". Not that Jon is perfect, but he is a much better candidate.

If there's anything Dany's, Robb's, Stannis',Jon (pre S6),Robert Baratheon, Cersei's story etc. has taught us, it is that ruling is way harder than winning a throne.

[robasp2]

Though Yara-Dany "Yay, we are sistas... women rule.. woohoo" was lame.

I'm pretty fine with women alliances. But for FVCKS sake I hope Dany does not form alliace with Ellaria. I hope Dorne is gone for ever.

Do not show "woman empowerment" by teaming up with a mad woman who killed their peaceful king or her pathetic bastards.

[House Cambodia]

Forging an alliance with Yara made perfect sense given Yara's ambitions. It would make sense for Dany to make an alliance with Sansa as Warden of the North as Sansa has no ambition outside the North. Even teaming up with Ellaria in Dorne would make good strategic sense as her ambitions are limited to Dorne. It's idiot men like Littlefinger and Euron who can't be trusted. It's not necessarily a simple 'girl power' thing; it's sensible grand strategy.

[UnViserion]

18 hours ago, Ser Wun Wun said:

I don't know about them all be allies of Dany though, especially the Sand Snakes.    

Well the Sand Snakes in the show are about as stupid as they come. 

Think about it-- in an effort to seek vengeance for the deaths of two Martells (Elia and Oberyn), they kill the last two Martells in show-existence. 

For stupidities sake they probably would rebuff Dany. For D&D's sake, we'll likely be treated to the most egregious, over-the-top girl-power moment in the shows history. Frankly I'm torn as to how this would go down.