Will Bran And Arya Return To Winterfell?

[ShadowKitteh]

18 hours ago, AvengerofWinterfell said:

i dont think it'll work that way because that wouldnt make sense.  The reason the Walkers could get into the cave is because Bran was already in it when he got marked via weirwood.net.  In the case of the wall, he's already marked so if the mark alone bears a walker contaminant then Bran shouldnt be able to pass through.

Unless that "mark" is a WW GPS implant.

I got the impression that marking Bran was not only a marker for the Night's King to know where Bran is, but also was a charm-reverser. If Bran goes south of the Wall, he'll remove the magic that keeps the WW out, just like the cave.

Otherwise, there's no way that Wall would ever come down. The horn is either a silly legend, or it will only work once the charms are gone. 

Benjen was specific, the charms were built into the foundation itself. So even if the Wall were to physically fall, the charms and magic keeping the dead out would still be there. 

The Night's King wants Bran to go south of the wall, and I bet the NK is the keeper of the horn.

[Lady Sansa's Direwolf]

6 hours ago, Zyxw said:

D&D in the post interview said how Arya lingered on and looked at Jaime - a Lannister and was almost about to go after the Lannisters. You can bet your dollar that they intend to get Arya after the Lannisters at KL. I suspect it will be Arya repeating Jaime's kingslayer actions.

No, prophecy says Cersei will be killed by the Valonqar, which is Valyrian for little brother. This is why she was so hell bent on destroying Tyrion. She'll always considered him the little brother who will kill her, conveniently forgetting Jamie is younger than she. Don't discount the role of prophecy in GoT. While most people might think Tyrion is the obvious choice, Jamie has always been my choice. Her craziness is what he killed Aerys over. How can he let her live when he killed the Mad King for just WANTING to burn down the city?

[ShadowKitteh]

4 hours ago, Lady Sansa's Direwolf said:

No, prophecy says Cersei will be killed by the Valonqar, which is Valyrian for little brother. This is why she was so hell bent on destroying Tyrion. She'll always considered him the little brother who will kill her, conveniently forgetting Jamie is younger than she. Don't discount the role of prophecy in GoT. While most people might think Tyrion is the obvious choice, Jamie has always been my choice. Her craziness is what he killed Aerys over. How can he let her live when he killed the Mad King for just WANTING to burn down the city?

[Zyxw]

14 hours ago, Lady Sansa's Direwolf said:

No, prophecy says Cersei will be killed by the Valonqar, which is Valyrian for little brother. This is why she was so hell bent on destroying Tyrion. She'll always considered him the little brother who will kill her, conveniently forgetting Jamie is younger than she. Don't discount the role of prophecy in GoT. While most people might think Tyrion is the obvious choice, Jamie has always been my choice. Her craziness is what he killed Aerys over. How can he let her live when he killed the Mad King for just WANTING to burn down the city?

That prophecy about her Valonqar is not on the show. But I don't doubt that Jaime could do it. I just think they setup sending Arya to KL to the same mission but maybe she gets beaten. The other possibility is she joins the BWB as that's the reason they were brought back i.e. for Arya's story. 

[Lady Sansa's Direwolf]

I think she is going to partially take the Lady Stoneheart role, and will start slaughtering Freys in the Riverlands. Perhaps she releases Edmure to help her, perhaps not. I do think she will take up with the BwB, and will be reconnected with Sandor the Hound. I don't think she will try and kill him, still being conflicted over their relationship.

My wish is that all would then head north to Winterfell so the Starks can be together again before the end. I've been doing some reading about Azor Ahai and Lightbringer, as well as the prophecy of the PwwP. I'm beginning to think Dawn is in the crypt at Winterfell, waiting for either Jon Snow or Beric Dundarrian (who's with the Brotherhood). 

My favorite fantasy is that Melisandre returns to the North with the Brotherhood, along with Arya. Jon makes good his promise and when he uses Longclaw to behead her, it bursts into flames, revealing to everyone that he is the Prince who was Promised. 'tis a dream I have.

[Lady Knows Nothing]

On 6/21/2016 at 3:46 PM, Scorpion92 said:

Bran is definitely reuniting with Jon at Winterfell next season, there is just no other direction for him to go. Plus, with his new abilities he HAS to help Jon defeat Night King and take over control of undead army as Three Eyed Raven.

Arya, I am not so sure. I think there is still story connection with the Hound, Brotherhood without Banners and even Brienne and Podrick if they are still in Riverlands next season. Add to the fact Sansa will travel south with Vale army, and I am not that sure Arya will reach Winterfell next season. We shall see I guess.

I really hope that Arya and Bran will reunite with Sansa and Jon. That is a reunion I am dying to see. I agree with you that Bran will make his way to Winterfell. He doesn't have any where else to go unless he has more visions he has to reveal about his family then i think he will go ahead and do that first but I think you are right that he will eventually make his way back to Jon to help him. Arya I agree with you is more of a wild card. I am wondering what her role in the fight will be. I am assuming she is going to become a bad ass assassin and help in that way. I don't know what we are going to see from Arya.

[Scorpion92]

1 hour ago, Lady Knows Nothing said:

I really hope that Arya and Bran will reunite with Sansa and Jon. That is a reunion I am dying to see. I agree with you that Bran will make his way to Winterfell. He doesn't have any where else to go unless he has more visions he has to reveal about his family then i think he will go ahead and do that first but I think you are right that he will eventually make his way back to Jon to help him. Arya I agree with you is more of a wild card. I am wondering what her role in the fight will be. I am assuming she is going to become a bad ass assassin and help in that way. I don't know what we are going to see from Arya.

Well, it seems in the show she is taking over Lady Stoneheart storyline. And there is a reason Brotherhood with Thoros, Beric and Hound are in the same area as Brienne, Pod, Arya and possibly Melisandre.

My biggest prediction for next season is that there is a reason why Beric is still alive in the show. He needs to pass his "life force" so to speak to next dead man to lead Brotherhood, just like in the books with him and Catelyn.

So I am of the opinion it will play out similar in the show: Jaime will return to Riverlands with Bronn and Lannister army to deal with the situation now that Freys are gone. Brienne will meet Arya and be forced in a situation to choose between her duty to Arya and her love for Jaime. Arya will order Brienne to bring Jaime into a trap because there is a reason why she was eyeing him at Twins in the finale.

Once Jaime is brought before Arya and Brotherhood, he will be called for trial by combat for his deeds. I think Brienne will be forced to prove her loyalty to Arya by fighting Jaime, because they had the exchange this season about possibility of fighting each other. Jaime will not fight her fully and it will end tragically once Brienne is forced to kill him.

This is where Beric and his "life force" and Thoros and possibly Mel might come into play. Jaime will be resurrected by Lord of Light just like Jon and become the new leader of Brotherhood without Banners members of which are in awe of what they have witnessed. Even Arya might drop her need to kill Jaime since it is clear the guy is special, and he will not hurt her in return because he swore her mother to protect her.

And this is where Dany and her forces arrive. After that, I am not sure, Jaime and Dany might fight, he might get captured and Tyrion releases him at night from prison to pay his debt. I am sure Jaime and Dany will become allies to face the threat coming from the North (King of Winter Jon Stark, Three Eyed Raven Bran Stark, White Walkers, massive undead army and couple of other characters like Davos, Theon, Tormund if he survives Winterfell battle, etc.).

Just my general outline what I think will transpire.

[Lady Knows Nothing]

16 minutes ago, Scorpion92 said:

Well, it seems in the show she is taking over Lady Stoneheart storyline. And there is a reason Brotherhood with Thoros, Beric and Hound are in the same area as Brienne, Pod, Arya and possibly Melisandre.

My biggest prediction for next season is that there is a reason why Beric is still alive in the show. He needs to pass his "life force" so to speak to next dead man to lead Brotherhood, just like in the books with him and Catelyn.

So I am of the opinion it will play out similar in the show: Jaime will return to Riverlands with Bronn and Lannister army to deal with the situation now that Freys are gone. Brienne will meet Arya and be forced in a situation to choose between her duty to Arya and her love for Jaime. Arya will order Brienne to bring Jaime into a trap because there is a reason why she was eyeing him at Twins in the finale.

Once Jaime is brought before Arya and Brotherhood, he will be called for trial by combat for his deeds. I think Brienne will be forced to prove her loyalty to Arya by fighting Jaime, because they had the exchange this season about possibility of fighting each other. Jaime will not fight her fully and it will end tragically once Brienne is forced to kill him.

This is where Beric and his "life force" and Thoros and possibly Mel might come into play. Jaime will be resurrected by Lord of Light just like Jon and become the new leader of Brotherhood without Banners members of which are in awe of what they have witnessed. Even Arya might drop her need to kill Jaime since it is clear the guy is special, and he will not hurt her in return because he swore her mother to protect her.

And this is where Dany and her forces arrive. After that, I am not sure, Jaime and Dany might fight, he might get captured and Tyrion releases him at night from prison to pay his debt. I am sure Jaime and Dany will become allies to face the threat coming from the North (King of Winter Jon Stark, Three Eyed Raven Bran Stark, White Walkers, massive undead army and couple of other characters like Davos, Theon, Tormund if he survives Winterfell battle, etc.).

Just my general outline what I think will transpire.

Wow you just went over my head. There were a few thing with your theory I didn't agree with. I don't think Brienne would assist with Arya because she is already Sansa knight and has to assist her. Whatever feelings Brienne has for Jaime she is known for doing the honorable thing and following her lady's command. There is proof of this in season six when she meets up with him at Riverrun and she goes inside the castle to talk with Blackfish she says something along the lines of "if tonight ends in a fight, I will be obliged to fight against you" because of Sansa and Jaime says "Well lets hope it doesn't come to that".

[Scorpion92]

59 minutes ago, Lady Knows Nothing said:

Wow you just went over my head. There were a few thing with your theory I didn't agree with. I don't think Brienne would assist with Arya because she is already Sansa knight and has to assist her. Whatever feelings Brienne has for Jaime she is known for doing the honorable thing and following her lady's command. There is proof of this in season six when she meets up with him at Riverrun and she goes inside the castle to talk with Blackfish she says something along the lines of "if tonight ends in a fight, I will be obliged to fight against you" because of Sansa and Jaime says "Well lets hope it doesn't come to that".

Which is exactly my point and this is the exchange I was referring to.

Brienne swore to Catelyn to bring back BOTH Sansa and Arya. Both Stark girls initially refused her help, but then she proved herself by killing Bolton men and escorting Sansa to the Wall. But Brienne is not exclusively protecting Sansa, she swore to do it for Arya as well.

Next season Arya will meet Brienne again, and I do not think Arya is that naive to trust her right away. Brienne will have to earn her trust. AND we have a scene at Twins where Arya eyes Jaime as her potential target.

This is the "conflict at heart" George RR Martin writes about, it will be curious to see if "Brienne's honor compels her to fight Jaime", even though she totally has feelings for him. So far, Brienne did not have that much of a difficulty doing the right and honorable thing, but as Maester Aemon warned Jon back in season 1, "yet sooner or later, there comes a day where a man must choose between honor on one hand and love on another". That will be Brienne's storyline next season, I believe.

[Lady Knows Nothing]

4 minutes ago, Scorpion92 said:

Which is exactly my point and this is the exchange I was referring to.

Brienne swore to Catelyn to bring back BOTH Sansa and Arya. Both Stark girls initially refused her help, but then she proved herself by killing Bolton men and escorting Sansa to the Wall. But Brienne is not exclusively protecting Sansa, she swore to do it for Arya as well.

Next season Arya will meet Brienne again, and I do not think Arya is that naive to trust her right away. Brienne will have to earn her trust. AND we have a scene at Twins where Arya eyes Jaime as her potential target.

This is the "conflict at heart" George RR Martin writes about, it will be curious to see if "Brienne's honor compels her to fight Jaime", even though she totally has feelings for him. So far, Brienne did not have that much of a difficulty doing the right and honorable thing, but as Maester Aemon warned Jon back in season 1, "yet sooner or later, there comes a day where a man must choose between honor on one hand and love on another". That will be Brienne's storyline next season, I believe.

Touche...a very palpable hit. Though does Brienne love/see Jaime like that? I know from what I read about the books there are some moments of her having affection towards him. I know in the show that they have a deep respect for each other but I don't know we'll have to see.

[Aderyn]

I believe the heart tree Bran and Meera were left at is the one Jon went to when he took his vow as a Brother, which means they are already very close to the Wall. I don't think Meera would risk leaving Bran behind and running for the Wall but instead tries to drag him. If they're lucky, they're confronted by some rangers who bring them to the Wall. Bran then introduces himself to Edd (can't wait to see that) and finds out Jon is not at the Wall anymore. Bran and Edd will talk about the WW but soon Bran will be adamant on continuing south to Winterfell. He will get a couple of Brothers to escort him (or at least horses, finally). I could see all of this happening in the first episode, or in the second at the latest. Bran would then reach Winterfell by ep3 and be reunited with Jon.

As for Arya, I'm not sure where she is headed next. If she prefers going to KL over Winterfell, why didn't she go there in the first place instead of the Riverlands? This is why I have a feeling she'll first choose to go to Winterfell, but maybe she'll get delayed as she makes her journey through the Riverlands (meeting the Hound, Brienne, BwB or even Melisandre). Maybe she'll change her mind and head for King's Landing instead, determined to finish her list.

[Scorpion92]

3 hours ago, Lady Knows Nothing said:

Touche...a very palpable hit. Though does Brienne love/see Jaime like that? I know from what I read about the books there are some moments of her having affection towards him. I know in the show that they have a deep respect for each other but I don't know we'll have to see.

Yeah, they definitely have some feelings each other, which is deeper than simple respect and friendship. I agree that we will have to see.

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

Arya has a name on her list and the person with that name currently sits on the Iron Throne.  Aya will head to Kings Landing.

 

Also, I'm not sure she's done with the Freys.  Killing Black Walder and Lothar suggests she's somewhat flexible.

[Tywin Tytosson]

On 7/4/2016 at 9:50 AM, Lady Sansa's Direwolf said:

No, prophecy says Cersei will be killed by the Valonqar, which is Valyrian for little brother. This is why she was so hell bent on destroying Tyrion. She'll always considered him the little brother who will kill her, conveniently forgetting Jamie is younger than she. Don't discount the role of prophecy in GoT. While most people might think Tyrion is the obvious choice, Jamie has always been my choice. Her craziness is what he killed Aerys over. How can he let her live when he killed the Mad King for just WANTING to burn down the city?

Yep.  According to the Prophecy Cersei will be killed by the Valonqar.

The Volonqar of your harnd is ... your Little-Finger.  That is my guess.

But Tommen was not KOed by anybody.  And Mercella?  Only Ellaria and the Sand Snakes in the show.

Wasn't the Valonqar supposed to KO all of Cersei's children?

[HellasLEAF]

Can Bran just come home already?  

 

[ShadowKitteh]

7 hours ago, Scorpion92 said:

Which is exactly my point and this is the exchange I was referring to.

Brienne swore to Catelyn to bring back BOTH Sansa and Arya. Both Stark girls initially refused her help, but then she proved herself by killing Bolton men and escorting Sansa to the Wall. But Brienne is not exclusively protecting Sansa, she swore to do it for Arya as well.

Next season Arya will meet Brienne again, and I do not think Arya is that naive to trust her right away. Brienne will have to earn her trust. AND we have a scene at Twins where Arya eyes Jaime as her potential target.

This is the "conflict at heart" George RR Martin writes about, it will be curious to see if "Brienne's honor compels her to fight Jaime", even though she totally has feelings for him. So far, Brienne did not have that much of a difficulty doing the right and honorable thing, but as Maester Aemon warned Jon back in season 1, "yet sooner or later, there comes a day where a man must choose between honor on one hand and love on another". That will be Brienne's storyline next season, I believe.

Jamie has never been on Arya's List.

[ShadowKitteh]

6 hours ago, Aderyn said:

I believe the heart tree Bran and Meera were left at is the one Jon went to when he took his vow as a Brother, which means they are already very close to the Wall. I don't think Meera would risk leaving Bran behind and running for the Wall but instead tries to drag him. If they're lucky, they're confronted by some rangers who bring them to the Wall. Bran then introduces himself to Edd (can't wait to see that) and finds out Jon is not at the Wall anymore. Bran and Edd will talk about the WW but soon Bran will be adamant on continuing south to Winterfell. He will get a couple of Brothers to escort him (or at least horses, finally). I could see all of this happening in the first episode, or in the second at the latest. Bran would then reach Winterfell by ep3 and be reunited with Jon.

As for Arya, I'm not sure where she is headed next. If she prefers going to KL over Winterfell, why didn't she go there in the first place instead of the Riverlands? This is why I have a feeling she'll first choose to go to Winterfell, but maybe she'll get delayed as she makes her journey through the Riverlands (meeting the Hound, Brienne, BwB or even Melisandre). Maybe she'll change her mind and head for King's Landing instead, determined to finish her list.

IF Bran goes south of The Wall, it's coming down. He's still marked by the Night's King, which is the all-purpose WW Charm Remover™. It's probably why there are no wights running after them still. The Night's King wants Bran south of The Wall. 

Why didn't Benjen tell Bran that he also can't go south of The Wall? Is it because he thinks Bran physically won't be able to being marked? Or because he's actually being controlled/semi-controlled against his will by the Night's King? (My heart will break...)

1 hour ago, Thror Baratheon said:

Yep.  According to the Prophecy Cersei will be killed by the Valonqar.

The Volonqar of your harnd is ... your Little-Finger.  That is my guess.

But Tommen was not KOed by anybody.  And Mercella?  Only Ellaria and the Sand Snakes in the show.

Wasn't the Valonqar supposed to KO all of Cersei's children?

No. Just Cersei.

[Aderyn]

4 minutes ago, ShadowKitteh said:

Why didn't Benjen tell Bran that he also can't go south of The Wall? Is it because he thinks Bran physically won't be able to being marked? Or because he's actually being controlled/semi-controlled against his will by the Night's King? (My heart will break...)

Maybe he doesn't know about the mark in the first place?

Benjen being a double agent against his will... oh my, I like that idea although you're right, that would be heartbreaking. If the Wall does come down due to Bran's mark, that would also make Bran a 'reluctant double agent'. 

[Rory Snow]

2 hours ago, Thror Baratheon said:

But Tommen was not KOed by anybody.  And Mercella?  Only Ellaria and the Sand Snakes in the show.

Wasn't the Valonqar supposed to KO all of Cersei's children?

The children's bit was "gold shall be their crowns, and gold shall be their shrouds"

All three had the trademark Lannister blonde hair (golden crowns) that led to Jon Arryn & Ned Stark discovering their parentage, and all three were wearing primarily gold clothing (golden shrouds) when they died. Their part of the prophecy is complete.

[Asvpxkvng]

7 hours ago, Aderyn said:

I believe the heart tree Bran and Meera were left at is the one Jon went to when he took his vow as a Brother, which means they are already very close to the Wall. I don't think Meera would risk leaving Bran behind and running for the Wall but instead tries to drag him. If they're lucky, they're confronted by some rangers who bring them to the Wall. Bran then introduces himself to Edd (can't wait to see that) and finds out Jon is not at the Wall anymore. Bran and Edd will talk about the WW but soon Bran will be adamant on continuing south to Winterfell. He will get a couple of Brothers to escort him (or at least horses, finally). I could see all of this happening in the first episode, or in the second at the latest. Bran would then reach Winterfell by ep3 and be reunited with Jon.

As for Arya, I'm not sure where she is headed next. If she prefers going to KL over Winterfell, why didn't she go there in the first place instead of the Riverlands? This is why I have a feeling she'll first choose to go to Winterfell, but maybe she'll get delayed as she makes her journey through the Riverlands (meeting the Hound, Brienne, BwB or even Melisandre). Maybe she'll change her mind and head for King's Landing instead, determined to finish her list.

I very much hope that Brans story arc turns out like that. Smooth sailing to Winterfell and him being there by ep 3 would be great. Why? Because it sets us up with a perfect amount of time for a Night Walker invasion by the end of the season. I've waited too damn long, I don't care if they are the villains dammit I want some White Walkers wreaking destruction!

On July 4, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Lady Sansa's Direwolf said:

No, prophecy says Cersei will be killed by the Valonqar, which is Valyrian for little brother. This is why she was so hell bent on destroying Tyrion. She'll always considered him the little brother who will kill her, conveniently forgetting Jamie is younger than she. Don't discount the role of prophecy in GoT. While most people might think Tyrion is the obvious choice, Jamie has always been my choice. Her craziness is what he killed Aerys over. How can he let her live when he killed the Mad King for just WANTING to burn down the city?

To be fair Aerys planned to burn EVERYBODY from the sept to the Red Keep to the slums. Nevertheless the unforgivable thing she has done to replace the fact she may have not burned the whole city is she indirectly killed Tommen which Jaime understands and is an infraction to him on the level of what Aerys was trying to commit. It must happen and I hope the showrunners make a spectacle of it cause it should be awesome.