JamesD2020 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 As much as I would think that would be cool as hell... I don't believe this will come to pass. A)The budget in Episode 9 was over 10 million for what transpired onscreen. To be able to have an epic dragon fight between ice and fire might be a bit overkill and not cost effective. B)Bran being the bad guy? I don't buy this C)The show is wrapping up and for them to introduce a new antagonist in time isn't going to work IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmet Eren Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Also on Bran beıng real bad guy I dont thınk thıs would happen our bıg bads are Euron and the others but Bran and Dany can do bad thıngs ın dıfferent levels because of they told they are doıng rıght thıngs or because they belıeved ın they are doıng rıght thıngs . I would add Dany as a bad person ıf she goes same way wıth her father at thıs poınt ıt ıs hard to predıct ıf madness wıll consume her. Sorthy Euron and Others are the bad guys but Bran and Dany wıll be bad thıngs . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spivo Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 While I like the show, I think they will make it a lot more simple compared to the books. Also, if there is an ice dragon at hardhome, it can not also be at winterfell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daendrew Posted June 23, 2016 Author Share Posted June 23, 2016 56 minutes ago, spivo said: While I the show, I think they will make it a lot more simple compared to the books. Also, if there is an ice dragon at hardhome, it can not also be at winterfell? The laws of physics don't apply on the show. I have no idea what is happening there anymore, so these are just guesses. In the books I think there is a Baelerion-sized ice dragon in the black pool of Winterfell and some smaller ice dragons as the skeletons of huge bats in Bloodraven's cave. https://endgameofthrones.com/2015/06/07/the-ice-dragon-must-have-three-heads/ as there are smaller ice dragons in his cave, there could also be small ones at Show-Hardhome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyromancersPiss Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 22 hours ago, JamesD2020 said: As much as I would think that would be cool as hell... I don't believe this will come to pass. A)The budget in Episode 9 was over 10 million for what transpired onscreen. To be able to have an epic dragon fight between ice and fire might be a bit overkill and not cost effective. B)Bran being the bad guy? I don't buy this C)The show is wrapping up and for them to introduce a new antagonist in time isn't going to work IMO. Yes the budget for season 7 episodes is supposedly going to double. Then season 8 will triple. That's why they're cutting the # of episodes down to 7 for season 7, and then 6 episodes for season 8. That compromise will give them the financial ability to properly CGI the shit outta the last 13 episodes. It's the most popular, most profitable show ever made. The super high ratings have made HBO comfortable with the budget increases, as well as giving the top actors a $200,000 raise per episode as well. Bran is definitely not the bad guy. I'm in complete agreement about that. I truly can't understand why people think that. Furthermore, it's perplexing that people think Daenerys is the big bad too. The war of kings is ending this Sunday night. Daenerys will return to Westeros with nobody to fight but the Others. Expect several new antagonists this Sunday. The great game is imminent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyromancersPiss Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 On June 22, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Trollosi said: Yep, that would be awesome, I don't know how else can the WWs fight Dany's dragons unless 1 or 2 of the dragons are dead in other event before the final battle. Air superiority is critical in most battles. Without the ice dragon, I think the WWs won't be the ultimate antagonist, the Starks will be able to defeat them without Dany's dragons. Maybe Dany is the main antagonist, as much as I like Dany, Tyrion & co. I'm of the opinion that the Others are far more powerful than Daenerys and her dragons. At this point the Others would kill her and all 3 of her dragons with extreme ease. The Others are not zombies. Only the Wights. The Night's King was biding his time waiting for magic to grow more powerful throughout the realm. This isn't his first ball game, he's playing for keeps. He needs the great ice dragon, who Bran with the aid of the First Men and the Giants, spellbound the great ice dragon into imprisonment inside the Wall. Once that happens there will be nobody that can defeat the Night's King in battle. Not the Stark's, not the Targaryen's... Only Bran. He's gonna warg the great ice dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garse Ironjade Janacek Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 28 minutes ago, PyromancersPiss said: Yes the budget for season 7 episodes is supposedly going to double. Then season 8 will triple. That's why they're cutting the # of episodes down to 7 for season 7, and then 6 episodes for season 8. That compromise will give them the financial ability to properly CGI the shit outta the last 13 episodes. It's the most popular, most profitable show ever made. The super high ratings have made HBO comfortable with the budget increases, as well as giving the top actors a $200,000 raise per episode as well. Bran is definitely not the bad guy. I'm in complete agreement about that. I truly can't understand why people think that. Furthermore, it's perplexing that people think Daenerys is the big bad too. The war of kings is ending this Sunday night. Daenerys will return to Westeros with nobody to fight but the Others. Expect several new antagonists this Sunday. The great game is imminent. Bran may be a nice guy, but I think he is not fully himself. I believe he has been manipulated, and will continue to be. He bears the mark of the NK, after all. The veritable mark of the Beast! I think he's probably a gray character. Who isn't? Neither fully good or bad, perhaps with a heart closer to good, but tricked into harming humanity. Let's hope the writing is given the same attention as the CGI. It has been questionable of late. New antagonists sound like fun, I hope you are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD2020 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 6 minutes ago, Garse Ironjade Janacek said: Bran may be a nice guy, but I think he is not fully himself. I believe he has been manipulated, and will continue to be. He bears the mark of the NK, after all. The veritable mark of the Beast! I think he's probably a gray character. Who isn't? Neither fully good or bad, perhaps with a heart closer to good, but tricked into harming humanity. Let's hope the writing is given the same attention as the CGI. It has been questionable of late. New antagonists sound like fun, I hope you are correct. If Bran is a gray character, not intentionally harming humanity, and thinking hes doing the right thing at the right time (EX Hodor), then it could pass into what GRRM was talking about a bittersweet end to the show/book. I could see Bran forced to decide between stopping the White Walkers and their wight army by trying to topple the wall all over them. IE, should the walkers unable to traverse through mass en large to climb up the wall. Being all bone/flesh and unable to freeze any more than they are already they could possible traverse up the ice easily. And come up to surprise the NW. Bran might think the only way to kill and stop the invasion is to topple the wall over them in hopes to squash them??? Maybe that would be the heroic death that ends up being the wrong choice being that it lets the WW get through unimpeded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyromancersPiss Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 On June 23, 2016 at 8:26 AM, Rumy Stark said: Huh, this is so interesting! I'll have to go rewatch. I definitely wanted to bring up the fact that the weather changes for the WW before they arrive and what might cause that. If there is a dragon there it's REAL subtle though, since I've never heard this before. Also I thought GRRM confirmed that that The Ice Dragon in fact is in a different universe than Westeros? ...but dragons are really scary weapons and if Dany shifts over into crazy mode it'll be hard to cheer for her entirely. Yes it's definitely subtle. I didn't buy it at first. But that massive tail cannot be an accident. Watching in full HD 1080p on my big screen it smacks you in the face. Seriously. Btw, I must credit Daendrew for spotting the Ice Dragon on the show. Solid job my friend! Yes, he did say it wasn't. But he's a liar! Lol I should've clarified this at once. That the no means yes. IMO http://unleashedreality.com/got-jon-snow-alive/ His storyline arcs and secrets are his livelihood. He takes offense when people ask him to basically throw away money by revealing his secrets. He's very smart. He knows that would equate to less book sales, smaller ratings for the show. So when fans put him in that position, some days he's in a mood and decides to fuck with us. Lmao, he said Jon Targaryen hired a doppelgänger (look-alike) and wasn't even at Castle Black to get stabbed! The Ice Dragons are gonna be the key to endgames. Daenerys will not go mad like her father. I would bet money. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daendrew Posted June 24, 2016 Author Share Posted June 24, 2016 2 hours ago, PyromancersPiss said: Yes it's definitely subtle. I didn't buy it at first. But that massive tail cannot be an accident. Watching in full HD 1080p on my big screen it smacks you in the face. Seriously. Btw, I must credit Daendrew for spotting the Ice Dragon on the show. Solid job my friend! Yes, he did say it wasn't. But he's a liar! Lol I should've clarified this at once. That the no means yes. IMO http://unleashedreality.com/got-jon-snow-alive/ His storyline arcs and secrets are his livelihood. He takes offense when people ask him to basically throw away money by revealing his secrets. He's very smart. He knows that would equate to less book sales, smaller ratings for the show. So when fans put him in that position, some days he's in a mood and decides to fuck with us. Lmao, he said Jon Targaryen hired a doppelgänger (look-alike) and wasn't even at Castle Black to get stabbed! The Ice Dragons are gonna be the key to endgames. Daenerys will not go mad like her father. I would bet money. Lol Thanks man. I take credit for spotting the ice dragon in the books, not in the show. Someone else spotted the CGI on the show. I will however, still bask in their glory hahaha. GRRM can say it is in a different world than the ice dragon children's books but that doesn't mean anything. There can still be ice dragons, and 50 golden ones says there will be. Also everytime someone says "endgame" on the forum PyromancersPiss, you need to pay me 50 coppers. I traedmarked it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lash Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 The only dragon the WWs will have will be if the Night's King raises a dead Rhaegal or Viserion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daendrew Posted June 24, 2016 Author Share Posted June 24, 2016 6 minutes ago, The Lash said: The only dragon the WWs will have will be if the Night's King raises a dead Rhaegal or Viserion That may be a route they go on the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lash Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 1 minute ago, Daendrew said: That may be a route they go on the show. I don't buy any dragon for him in the books by any other way either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boodofmyblood Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 3 hours ago, PyromancersPiss said: Yes the budget for season 7 episodes is supposedly going to double. Then season 8 will triple. That's why they're cutting the # of episodes down to 7 for season 7, and then 6 episodes for season 8. That compromise will give them the financial ability to properly CGI the shit outta the last 13 episodes. It's the most popular, most profitable show ever made. The super high ratings have made HBO comfortable with the budget increases, as well as giving the top actors a $200,000 raise per episode as well. Bran is definitely not the bad guy. I'm in complete agreement about that. I truly can't understand why people think that. Furthermore, it's perplexing that people think Daenerys is the big bad too. The war of kings is ending this Sunday night. Daenerys will return to Westeros with nobody to fight but the Others. Expect several new antagonists this Sunday. The great game is imminent. Interesting. I wish we didn't only have 13 episodes left to look forward to but the budget increases will be a big plus to make up for that a little. I agree 100% about Bran and Dany. They are on the good side, complex but good nonetheless. I would love to see Bran warg an ice dragon and it would be a nice twist that the majority of the audience wouldn't see coming. With the budget increases it's possible if they wanted to go there. ETA: The night king raising a dead dragon is a cool idea too...although I love Dany's dragons so this would hurt for me to see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyromancersPiss Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 3 hours ago, Daendrew said: Thanks man. I take credit for spotting the ice dragon in the books, not in the show. Someone else spotted the CGI on the show. I will however, still bask in their glory hahaha. GRRM can say it is in a different world than the ice dragon children's books but that doesn't mean anything. There can still be ice dragons, and 50 golden ones says there will be. Also everytime someone says "endgame" on the forum PyromancersPiss, you need to pay me 50 coppers. I traedmarked it Haha lol you got it brotha! On second thought, can we make it one golden dragon for infinite usage? Yeah seriously though mad props on your endgame site. I have some alternative theorems from yours, but would never have connected many of those dots without the vigilant, tireless work from Others, lol like yourself! Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyromancersPiss Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 3 hours ago, boodofmyblood said: Interesting. I wish we didn't only have 13 episodes left to look forward to but the budget increases will be a big plus to make up for that a little. I agree 100% about Bran and Dany. They are on the good side, complex but good nonetheless. I would love to see Bran warg an ice dragon and it would be a nice twist that the majority of the audience wouldn't see coming. With the budget increases it's possible if they wanted to go there. ETA: The night king raising a dead dragon is a cool idea too...although I love Dany's dragons so this would hurt for me to see 100% agreement on every word here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesnow Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 So.... they killed off Summer and Shaggy Dog and gave Ghost to Gendry to save up enough budget for another dragon? o.o That would actually be kind of cool... I mean... Bran is supposed to fly right? To be honest I have no idea where they're going with Bran's plot- so I'll go ahead and hold onto this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyromancersPiss Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 9 hours ago, Garse Ironjade Janacek said: Bran may be a nice guy, but I think he is not fully himself. I believe he has been manipulated, and will continue to be. He bears the mark of the NK, after all. The veritable mark of the Beast! I think he's probably a gray character. Who isn't? Neither fully good or bad, perhaps with a heart closer to good, but tricked into harming humanity. Let's hope the writing is given the same attention as the CGI. It has been questionable of late. New antagonists sound like fun, I hope you are correct. Definite possibilities, but I'm leaning towards the Night King having the Horn of Joramun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asvpxkvng Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 1 hour ago, PyromancersPiss said: Definite possibilities, but I'm leaning towards the Night King having the Horn of Joramun. Speaking of the horn of Joramun remember way back when Samwell found a cache of dragon glass and a small horn somewhere I forgot? This was of course way back early in the show so it seems weird for the showrunners to bring it back from so long ago as the Horn of Joramun but even weirder if it was w random meaningless horn. And we also currently have no location on Samwell so who's to say he's not headed to the wall where something terrible happens and it falls into the wrong hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyromancersPiss Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 29 minutes ago, Asvpxkvng said: Speaking of the horn of Joramun remember way back when Samwell found a cache of dragon glass and a small horn somewhere I forgot? This was of course way back early in the show so it seems weird for the showrunners to bring it back from so long ago as the Horn of Joramun but even weirder if it was w random meaningless horn. And we also currently have no location on Samwell so who's to say he's not headed to the wall where something terrible happens and it falls into the wrong hands. In the books, Sam goes to the Citadel to train in the order of the Maesters. Check out the 5th post on this thread here. There's several links about the horns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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