Cersei NOOOO!

[aryagonnakill#2]

2 minutes ago, IrisBest said:

Yeah right now I'm stuck wondering if it's just the Sept that gets torched or if Cersei sets off an accidental chain reaction that destroys everything. Spoiler speculation:

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We've heard that Tommen dies by jumping out of a window and that could either be suicide over Margaery dying and/or most of his city getting burned, or because he's trying to escape the flames. I don't think Cersei would willingly endanger Tommen, so if he's actually fleeing the flames, I wanna guess that'll be in the Red Keep, not the Sept, and the keep burns down unintentionally. Unless he's in the Sept when Cersei didn't expect him to be there? I'm also not sure how Cersei survives if the Red Keep gets destroyed, too (and I'm thinking she survives since Lena Headey is negotiating to renew her contract for next year).

Of course I also think if they wanted Tommen to die by wildfire at all, they wouldn't bother with a window jumping death they'd just have him get burned. The window jump could be a suicide which happens in front of Cersei for maximum drama.

 

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My guess is Cersei uses UnGregor to physically force Tommen to stay in the Red Keep during her trial so she can burn it down.  When he see's what happened or when she confronts him after he kills himself.  I'd prefer him doing it in front of her eyes after she admits everything, a complete reversal of Jaime and Myrcella.

 

[Destiny's Warrior]

Yeah I'm definitely swayed towards it being the Sept that gets it! BUT. I also still feel the HS has something crafty up his rather large sleeve. He seems to be one step ahead thus far. 

[Trump the Builder]

if Cersei admitted her incest with Jaime and presented Gendry as the true king, I'm wondering what punishment would be bestowed upon the Lannisters... I don't think that's the smartest move for her

[chambraigne]

2 hours ago, Quoth said:

Possibly they borrow Littlefinger's teleportation device to move boulders into place. The imagination of these writers know no (logical) bounds.

How miserable does your life have to be to continually return to a place where you know people are talking about something you don't like, just to point out that you don't like the thing that they're talking about?

[Drogo_1]

What set's Cersei off is this. (found this on reddit and thought it was great)

Your false warden is dead, brotherfucker. Come and see. He and his host were smashed in only one day of battle. I have Winterfell, tell your spineless son.

Your false wardens supporters are dead. Their heads upon the walls of Winterfell. Come see them, brotherfucker. Your false warden lied, and so did you. You told the world you ruled the north. The Starks have and always will rule the north.

For his crimes he was fed to his own dogs, come and see. If you want Winterfell back come and get it. A Stark has been proclaimed King in the north, proof of your lies. The north is cold, but if you come we will warm it with the blood of your soldiers.

I have Winterfell, I have the north. Keep your forces in Kings Landing and we will not trouble you, nor your soldiers. Try to take Winterfell back, and the snow will stain red with southron blood.

-Sansa Stark, Princess in the North.

[Lord Lannister]

7 minutes ago, Drogo_1 said:

What set's Cersei off is this. (found this on reddit and thought it was great)

Your false warden is dead, brotherfucker. Come and see. He and his host were smashed in only one day of battle. I have Winterfell, tell your spineless son.

Your false wardens supporters are dead. Their heads upon the walls of Winterfell. Come see them, brotherfucker. Your false warden lied, and so did you. You told the world you ruled the north. The Starks have and always will rule the north.

For his crimes he was fed to his own dogs, come and see. If you want Winterfell back come and get it. A Stark has been proclaimed King in the north, proof of your lies. The north is cold, but if you come we will warm it with the blood of your soldiers.

I have Winterfell, I have the north. Keep your forces in Kings Landing and we will not trouble you, nor your soldiers. Try to take Winterfell back, and the snow will stain red with southron blood.

-Sansa Stark, Princess in the North.

Well she's already feeding people to the dogs, I guess a pink letter is kind of mild by comparison. Ramsay did say a part of him would always be in her after all.

[adiman83]

4 hours ago, Quoth said:

Possibly they borrow Littlefinger's teleportation device to move boulders into place. The imagination of these writers know no (logical) bounds.

I know it's off topic but I have to say it because I keep seeing the same complaint all over this forum. The events in a season don't happen in a matter of days. Also, the storylines (even within the same episode) don't happen in the same time. So what we saw with LF could've happened weeks or even months before his meeting with Sansa. The same goes with the Ironborn story. It didn't take Yara and Theon a couple of days to reach Meereen, it took them a good several months. 

Now back to the topic at hand. 

16 minutes ago, Drogo_1 said:

What set's Cersei off is this. (found this on reddit and thought it was great)

Your false warden is dead, brotherfucker. Come and see. He and his host were smashed in only one day of battle. I have Winterfell, tell your spineless son.

Your false wardens supporters are dead. Their heads upon the walls of Winterfell. Come see them, brotherfucker. Your false warden lied, and so did you. You told the world you ruled the north. The Starks have and always will rule the north.

For his crimes he was fed to his own dogs, come and see. If you want Winterfell back come and get it. A Stark has been proclaimed King in the north, proof of your lies. The north is cold, but if you come we will warm it with the blood of your soldiers.

I have Winterfell, I have the north. Keep your forces in Kings Landing and we will not trouble you, nor your soldiers. Try to take Winterfell back, and the snow will stain red with southron blood.

-Sansa Stark, Princess in the North.

Do you have a source for that? Because the season's plot information that slipped (which proved to be reliable because they were spot on) didn't mention anything from episode 10. I'm asking because that doesn't seem to be the kind of language Sansa would use. I can't picture her character using the word "brotherfucker".

By all means, I want for Cersei to receive such a message from Sansa but I don't see it happening.

[Drogo_1]

1 minute ago, adiman83 said:

Do you have a source for that? Because the season's plot information that slipped (which proved to be reliable because they were spot on) didn't mention anything from episode 10. I'm asking because that doesn't seem to be the kind of language Sansa would use. I can't picture her character using the word "brotherfucker".

I can source it if you really want me to, but I am pretty sure they wrote it jokingly. I honestly do not expect this to happen in the show, but It would be ironic and funny.

[adiman83]

Just now, Drogo_1 said:

I can source it if you really want me to, but I am pretty sure they wrote it jokingly. I honestly do not expect this to happen in the show, but It would be ironic and funny.

It would be funny, yes.

[Drogo_1]

10 minutes ago, adiman83 said:

It would be funny, yes.

here is the link, it's the 2nd comment from the top https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/4pdy85/spoilers_everything_if_they_dont_show_news_of_a/

[Pile-O-Starks]

I don't think Cersei will blow herself up. There must be a valonqar! Although maybe not on the show. I can't remember...

[House Bronn]

3 hours ago, IrisBest said:

Yeah right now I'm stuck wondering if it's just the Sept that gets torched or if Cersei sets off an accidental chain reaction that destroys everything. Spoiler speculation:

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We've heard that Tommen dies by jumping out of a window and that could either be suicide over Margaery dying and/or most of his city getting burned, or because he's trying to escape the flames. I don't think Cersei would willingly endanger Tommen, so if he's actually fleeing the flames, I wanna guess that'll be in the Red Keep, not the Sept, and the keep burns down unintentionally. Unless he's in the Sept when Cersei didn't expect him to be there? I'm also not sure how Cersei survives if the Red Keep gets destroyed, too (and I'm thinking she survives since Lena Headey is negotiating to renew her contract for next year).

Of course I also think if they wanted Tommen to die by wildfire at all, they wouldn't bother with a window jumping death they'd just have him get burned. The window jump could be a suicide which happens in front of Cersei for maximum drama.

 

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Wouldn't it be ironic for her to lose a child who falls out of a window?

 

[John Suburbs]

11 hours ago, Asvpxkvng said:

Ok so I know it's universally accepted that Cersei is going to blow Kings Landing with wildfire in the finale which is what that rumor Qyburn was talking about. I also believe this will happen but she could be passing up a monumental chance. One of the speculations about the rumor was that they found Gendry and Cersei was going to publicly admit what she and Jaime did and tommen is not rightfully king therefore she would pull out Gendry and all tommens declaration would be nullified (which means she can have her trial by combat). This blew my mind because it is far more finessed than blowing up the city but I don't believe it's plausible for Gendry to come back but..... Even if she removed tommen Gendry wouldn't be king. According to a Reddit user who's scanned the Baratheon tree very closely the closest living successor eligible (Dawnaerus is closer by Robert's grandmother but all Targaryen succession is nullified) is actually Jaime Lannister! This move would put the only person she trusts on the Iron Throne! Of course since there is still the council which might consider his investors activities which just got announced would render him ineligible I thought this would be extremely mind blowing and at least worth mentioning.

Side note: I very much doubt this will happen. I just thought it was cool and worth a look at. The topic of succession if tommen dies is very convoluted and I think should be definitively cleared up.

I'd love to see that reddit post if you can find it. I don't see how anyone can possibly connect Jaime to the Baratheon line of succession, or even the Targaryen one. If there is, it would date back at least three generations and be so weak that only solid backing from the noble houses would put Jaime on the throne -- and he his highly unlikely to get that.

The fact is, without Tommen, Westeros is thrown into a succession crises followed by yet another civil war, unless someone with lineage from an earlier dynasty, and maybe some dragons, were to make an appearance...

[Lucius Lovejoy]

If the Sept or even all of King's Landing burns down, Cersei has to get away with it.  Maybe Varys is seen as he is there to kill Kevan and Pycelle and he ends up getting blamed / Daenerys is blamed.  Maybe it's noticed that the QoT is conspicuously absent and LF spills the beans that she is the one who did in Joffrey which makes everyone think that she orchestrated the plan to burn the Sept, but whatever happens Cersei has got to get away with it, or at least it has to be in dispute who is responsible.  People maybe start empathizing with her for all she has lost.  That's the only way to make it all the more dramatic and powerful as she unravels and descends into madness and Jaime slowly realizes in season 7 that she is responsible for all the death.  They've made him too much of a lap-dog for her for it to be believeable/powerful if he comes home, sees what Cersei did, and all of a sudden kills her.  I'd like to see her become even more paranoid and crazy in Casterly Rock, lying to Jaime about what happened and him figuring it out by things she says when she gets into little crazy trances.  Then he painstakingly must put her out of her misery for her sake and for the realm's sake.  She won't even know what's happening when he does it, she'll be calling him Tommen or something and speaking jibberish and he'll be fighting back tears like "you killed our son!  You killed all of those people!  You burned our love and everything we ever lived for."

[Hol Horse]

I thought the rumor was dirt on the High Sparrow.

But I guess blowing up KL works too.

[Asvpxkvng]

You're right of course because fact is no one is close enough in the line of succession to just inherit it the throne without a doubt like tommen did. Any person even closer than two generations would need solid backing from noble houses I believe. Plus if he just got exposed for invest he's not going to get much consideration either. I'll try my hardest to find that Reddit post but there's SO many!

Daenarys needs to sail with speed before Cersei goes ballistic. I'd be unsatisfied if she shows up with the last dragons in existence just to conquer a city in ruins.

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10 hours ago, Garse Ironjade Janacek said:

Well, in truth, the High Sparrow derives his power (partially, at least) from Tommen's grace.  Should Tommen be outed, the Sparrow's position becomes somewhat tenuous.  The Faith Militant are more capable of bullying women and the helpless than facing armed knights.  In the absence of Tommen or Kevan, there is a power vacuum.  Should Cersei succeed in having a trial by combat, she (and Jaime?) are in an improved, if not great, position.

I also believe that it is entirely possible that Margaery Tyrell/Olenna Tyrell will murder Tommen.  It would not be the first time....This would also create an opportunity for your scenario.  I would be shocked if the Tyrells don't have a plan to seize power, but Cersei holds a significant bargaining chip with her wildfire contingency.  

Surely D&D wouldn't ignore the Chekhov's Gun principle, would they?

Does anybody know what the significance of that drawing of a rose (?) was, that Margaery gave Olenna?

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6 hours ago, Drogo_1 said:

What set's Cersei off is this. (found this on reddit and thought it was great)

Your false warden is dead, brotherfucker. Come and see. He and his host were smashed in only one day of battle. I have Winterfell, tell your spineless son.

Your false wardens supporters are dead. Their heads upon the walls of Winterfell. Come see them, brotherfucker. Your false warden lied, and so did you. You told the world you ruled the north. The Starks have and always will rule the north.

For his crimes he was fed to his own dogs, come and see. If you want Winterfell back come and get it. A Stark has been proclaimed King in the north, proof of your lies. The north is cold, but if you come we will warm it with the blood of your soldiers.

I have Winterfell, I have the north. Keep your forces in Kings Landing and we will not trouble you, nor your soldiers. Try to take Winterfell back, and the snow will stain red with southron blood.

-Sansa Stark, Princess in the North.

AWESOME #TeamSansa

[VladimirDulud]

17 hours ago, Asvpxkvng said:

Ok so I know it's universally accepted that Cersei is going to blow Kings Landing with wildfire in the finale which is what that rumor Qyburn was talking about. I also believe this will happen but she could be passing up a monumental chance. One of the speculations about the rumor was that they found Gendry and Cersei was going to publicly admit what she and Jaime did and tommen is not rightfully king therefore she would pull out Gendry and all tommens declaration would be nullified (which means she can have her trial by combat). This blew my mind because it is far more finessed than blowing up the city but I don't believe it's plausible for Gendry to come back but..... Even if she removed tommen Gendry wouldn't be king. According to a Reddit user who's scanned the Baratheon tree very closely the closest living successor eligible (Dawnaerus is closer by Robert's grandmother but all Targaryen succession is nullified) is actually Jaime Lannister! This move would put the only person she trusts on the Iron Throne! Of course since there is still the council which might consider his investors activities which just got announced would render him ineligible I thought this would be extremely mind blowing and at least worth mentioning.

Side note: I very much doubt this will happen. I just thought it was cool and worth a look at. The topic of succession if tommen dies is very convoluted and I think should be definitively cleared up.

Cersei is the opposite of calculated, of course....

[VladimirDulud]

11 hours ago, Garse Ironjade Janacek said:

Well, in truth, the High Sparrow derives his power (partially, at least) from Tommen's grace.  Should Tommen be outed, the Sparrow's position becomes somewhat tenuous.  The Faith Militant are more capable of bullying women and the helpless than facing armed knights.  In the absence of Tommen or Kevan, there is a power vacuum.  Should Cersei succeed in having a trial by combat, she (and Jaime?) are in an improved, if not great, position.

I also believe that it is entirely possible that Margaery Tyrell/Olenna Tyrell will murder Tommen.  It would not be the first time....This would also create an opportunity for your scenario.  I would be shocked if the Tyrells don't have a plan to seize power, but Cersei holds a significant bargaining chip with her wildfire contingency.  

Surely D&D wouldn't ignore the Chekhov's Gun principle, would they?

This would be a really awesome and complicated plot thread and totally the way it SHOULD go down - make it more about the politicking and less about the big FX. but like the rest of you i just doubt the writers of the show would take that route; it adds at least a couple of hours worth of story time that the show doesn't seem to have . But what an awesome idea and what a strong development for this parallel world where Cersei finally makes an effective move. That would be way more tragic in the dramatic sense than burning down her enemies...