Noveson Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 A lot of people probably remember them doing this, but both Sophie Turner and Maisie Williams did two truth's and a lie not too long ago. Maisie's ended up being pretty boring, but Sophie's! There's definitely something there, lets assume she told the truth. Here's what she said. “Ramsay dies.” “Lady Stoneheart returns.” “Arya checks three people off her list.” So obviously we know #1 is true. That leaves either Lady Stoneheart coming back or Arya checking three people off her list. Now I don't know about you, but the last one seems basically impossible. From the ones I can recall, Walder Frey, Thoros, and Melisandre are wayyy too spread out for that to happen, don't see how it would be possible in one episode. Leaving Lady Stoneheart! Seems unlikely to me because we just saw Beric, but the way they are bringing the BwoB back into it makes me unsure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dornishdragon Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 The three people that Arya checks of their list might be all Freys because Arya doesn't recites more Freys because atleast in the books she doesn't know their names. I really don't believe Lady Stoneheart will appear, specially because GRRM said so, but anything it's possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14ccKemistk Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Arya may well check people off her list without killing them herself. Living people that has been on the list: Walder Frey The Mountain Ilyn Payne Cersei The Red Woman Beric Dondarrion Thoros of Myr The Hound Walder Frey (85%) Most likely to die. Something really fishy is going on at the Twins next episode. The Mountain (65%) Probable death. We do know there's gonna be rumble at King's Landing. The Mountain may kill some people (Unella) but he might also very well be a victim himself. Ilyn Payne (40%) Not unlikely. The character has been absent since S02 but he has been mentioned, and if Wilko is not going to return, they might just kill him offscreen in the Kings Landing chaos. Cersei (25%) Unlikely but could still happen. KL might become one big suicide including the Queen mother. Storytelling-wise it would be bad, of course. The Red Woman (10%) The newly appointed King in the North, Jon Snow, has not shied away from beheading wrongdoers before. But it should be very hard for him to order the execution of the one who brought himself back to life. Also, Mellisandre only suggested the Shireen sacrifice, Stannis and Selyse approved and executed it. Thoros of Myr (5%) Yes, he could die. But why? Beric Dondarrion (0%) Beric would only die in order to bring forward Lady Stoneheart herself, which makes him useless to count for this purpose. The Hound (0%) He might very well even be off the list even. And why bring him back in all his glory to just have him randomly killed. So, this sums up to 230%, which on average should only lead to 2 deaths and not 3. Ergo, we should see LS next episode :). If LS is indeed showing up, she should be a horrible sight indeed, rotting for 3 entire seasons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noveson Posted June 23, 2016 Author Share Posted June 23, 2016 25 minutes ago, dornishdragon said: The three people that Arya checks of their list might be all Freys because Arya doesn't recites more Freys because atleast in the books she doesn't know their names. I really don't believe Lady Stoneheart will appear, specially because GRRM said so, but anything it's possible. I don't think Maisie Williams has even read the books, in the show there's only a few people on her list. The ones @14ccKemistk listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noveson Posted June 23, 2016 Author Share Posted June 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, 14ccKemistk said: Arya may well check people off her list without killing them herself. Living people that has been on the list: Walder Frey The Mountain Ilyn Payne Cersei The Red Woman Beric Dondarrion Thoros of Myr The Hound Walder Frey (85%) Most likely to die. Something really fishy is going on at the Twins next episode. The Mountain (65%) Probable death. We do know there's gonna be rumble at King's Landing. The Mountain may kill some people (Unella) but he might also very well be a victim himself. Ilyn Payne (40%) Not unlikely. The character has been absent since S02 but he has been mentioned, and if Wilko is not going to return, they might just kill him offscreen in the Kings Landing chaos. Cersei (25%) Unlikely but could still happen. KL might become one big suicide including the Queen mother. Storytelling-wise it would be bad, of course. The Red Woman (10%) The newly appointed King in the North, Jon Snow, has not shied away from beheading wrongdoers before. But it should be very hard for him to order the execution of the one who brought himself back to life. Also, Mellisandre only suggested the Shireen sacrifice, Stannis and Selyse approved and executed it. Thoros of Myr (5%) Yes, he could die. But why? Beric Dondarrion (0%) Beric would only die in order to bring forward Lady Stoneheart herself, which makes him useless to count for this purpose. The Hound (0%) He might very well even be off the list even. And why bring him back in all his glory to just have him randomly killed. So, this sums up to 230%, which on average should only lead to 2 deaths and not 3. Ergo, we should see LS next episode :). If LS is indeed showing up, she should be a horrible sight indeed, rotting for 3 entire seasons... Great breakdown. Just the way she quoted it as "Arya checks three people off" it sounds like she means Arya kills them, but I could be wrong. The only reason I still have Stoneheart hype is because of the many many references lately. I don't know why they would keep showing the BwoB unless she was going to be included, seems super odd. If we say Arya doesn't have to do it herself, Melisandre and Walder are the only ones that I think have a decent chance to die. Cersei isn't going out. No one even remembers Illyn Payne. The Mountain is already dead. And Thoros seems unlikely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imaginepageant Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Wasn't Roose Bolton on Arya's list at some point, for the Red Wedding? That's one name down. Walder Frey's definitely going to bite it, so there's two names. I think Melisandre (by Davos), the Mountain (by wildfire), and Thoros and Beric (by the Hound or Brienne) are possible candidates for the third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minuteman Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Arya crosses off three names. She has already crossed of the Hound this season in conversation with the waif: "He was on her list but he was not on it any longer". In the books Ilyn Payne accompanies Jaime to Riverrun, not Bronn. So the show need only have Ilyn Payne show up at the Twins to put him with Walder Frey and two more names go off the list so three this season. There simply isn't enough screen time left to introduce another plot line so LS is out imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14ccKemistk Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 7 minutes ago, imaginepageant said: I think Thoros and Beric (by the Hound or Brienne) are possible candidates for the third. Why on Earth would that happen? It's like saying "I think Arya will be killed by Ser Jorah". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbrigno Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Arya's list in the show is MUCH shorter than listed above. Remember that in Season 6 Episode 3 during Arya's training, the Waif asks Arya who else is on "Arya Stark's funny little list". Arya replies the following three names and that's it: Cersei Lannister, Gregor Clegane, and Walder Frey. As Arya explained, The Hound had been taken off her list. The Waif says "That's a short list. That can't be everyone you want to kill. Are you sure you're not forgetting someone?" to which Arya replies "Which name would you like a girl to speak?" and the scene clearly implies that if there was someone else on Arya's list, it was the Waif. That being said, I remain in the boat that there's still the chance for Lady Stoneheart because of the unlikelihood of the show killing off all three of those characters in the final episode. That would likely mean that someone would have to kill Walder Frey while Jaime and the Lannister army is there and that both Cersei and Gregor Clegane would have to die or be killed--Cersei could easily be killed by anyone, but it looks like the only way Gregor Clegane is going to be killed is by something drastic, like wildfire. In that case, Cersei would have to go kamikaze with wildfire to kill everyone to escape her fate, and either accidentally or intentionally kill herself as a result. That being said, she would still not likely go through with something like this unless Tommen dies first. I think it's possible for Walder Frey to be killed but not Cersei AND Gregor Clegane, and very unlikely for all three to die in the same episode. Margaery clearly still has some plan for dealing with the Faith, Gregor Clegane can still help Cersei somehow, the wildfire may not be activated this season, Jamie still needs to have a falling out with Cersei and is nowhere near her, and so on and so forth. I think the best hope for Lady Stoneheart is if Arya's list does not get checked off (proving that statement about LSH as a truth), along with the facts that Brienne and Pod are still traveling through the Riverlands, Jamie is still in the Riverlands, the Freys are appearing again in the finale, and the Brotherhood has been brought back, even with Beric Dondarrion. We'll see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakin1013 Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 A spoiler that I have seen but cannot attest to the truth of it -- Spoiler Arya ends up at the Twins with the acting troupe. It would be quite easy for her to poison several people at once. If Payne is there with Walder Frey, there is 2 and perhaps the Hound is being counted as off the list. Also, I do not know what the spoiler rules are for this site. Going to check them out now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arya_Stormborn Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Arya has already crossed at least one person off her list this season - the Waif was on her list (though she wouldn't admit it to the Waif herself during their training sessions, she gave her a look that was obviously meant to indicate that this is true). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoke317 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 What if Sansa becomes Lady Stoneheart? Littlefinger kills her with the same Valyrian Steele dagger that was used in the attempt to kill Bran after she rebuffs him and backs Jon as King in the North. He blames it on a Lannister spy and takes the Vale army off to seek revenge. All a lie of course. But he has to escape the North before the truth is figured out. Beric, the Hound, and the Brotherhood arrive and Beric gives her the kiss of life. Her eyes open. Cut to credits... That would be one helluva season ender... Or better yet you could have Mel give her the kiss of life, feeling guilt for what she did to Shireen... Thus in a way, maybe Mel's life force or whatever it is enters Sansa and we can still get the "we'll meet again" when Sansa meets with Arya. Damn this would be really sweet. What you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tugela Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 10 hours ago, mcbrigno said: Arya's list in the show is MUCH shorter than listed above. Remember that in Season 6 Episode 3 during Arya's training, the Waif asks Arya who else is on "Arya Stark's funny little list". Arya replies the following three names and that's it: Cersei Lannister, Gregor Clegane, and Walder Frey. As Arya explained, The Hound had been taken off her list. The Waif says "That's a short list. That can't be everyone you want to kill. Are you sure you're not forgetting someone?" to which Arya replies "Which name would you like a girl to speak?" and the scene clearly implies that if there was someone else on Arya's list, it was the Waif. No, the missing name he was implying was Arya herself. Remember, at that point she was trying to become a faceless woman, and to do that she had to have no name. Hence "Arya" needed to be killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost's Shadow Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 It was the Waif, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imaginepageant Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 12 hours ago, 14ccKemistk said: Why on Earth would that happen? It's like saying "I think Arya will be killed by Ser Jorah". No it isn't. First of all, Arya and Jorah are nowhere near each other. The Hound is currently with Thoros and Beric, and Brienne might be crossing paths with them as she heads back north. Secondly, Jorah has no idea who Arya is and would have no reason to kill her. The Hound actually has killed Beric once before already, and even though they have an uneasy truce for the moment, I don't doubt that he'd kill either of them if given reason to. As for Brienne, if she does meet up with them, the Hound might attack her in retribution for nearly killing him before, and Beric and Thoros might jump in to help, making it possible for Brienne to kill either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Matthis Light Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Not sure if anyone pointed it out ( To tired to read everyones post ) but Beric, Thoros ,and the Hound are all together. Its possible Arya reunites with them and decides they aren't worth killing, or maybe she just kills them all, gotta wait till sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevasTra82 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 People really need to let go of LSH....there's only 13 episodes left and they are gearing up for the finale. Besides, even GRRM has said that there would not be a LSH in the show, and it looks like The Hound will be taking her place in the BwB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lyman Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 How about Arya becomes Lady Stoneheart? She need not be dead, and it would fit in with her taking revenge for the murders of her brother and her mother. The one thing the would debunk any Cat=Lady Stoneheart theory is Edmure's line about being in a cell for years after the Red Wedding. With Beric still around, it would mean that Cat is just bones at the bottom of the river. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radish Knight Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 8 minutes ago, Lord Lyman said: How about Arya becomes Lady Stoneheart? She need not be dead, and it would fit in with her taking revenge for the murders of her brother and her mother. The one thing the would debunk any Cat=Lady Stoneheart theory is Edmure's line about being in a cell for years after the Red Wedding. With Beric still around, it would mean that Cat is just bones at the bottom of the river. It's CGI Skelewoman time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Stoneheart Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Beric is back, which means LSH is out. She won't be found next episode because she is mud at this point. Maisie is also a person who likes to troll. I wouldn't put any stock in what she says. At all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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