Grizzly Mormont Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 15 minutes ago, IceSyckel said: I guess the army might've left with the QoT, though no explanation is given for why that might be... I thought this as well, but it seems unlikely: First, she likely has a personal guard and retinue, but is not a military commander or the lord or heir of the house, so the amry would not follow her orders or be necessary to escort her. Second, the lord of the house and heir both remained in KL. These are who the army takes orders from, and whom they are responsible for protecting. Once the sept was destroyed, they were obligated to go kill Cersei. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromethiumWings Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Oh it would have been perfect if Arya had found a crossbow somewhere and shot Walder when he was visiting the crapper. That way the two architects of the red wedding could have been united in their journey to the afterlife as well. I don't buy her somehow finding the time too cook the Freys, and to not have anyone walk in on her while whacking the old man, a discrete arrow in the night a the privy, where privacy is more reasonable to expect, would have been better. Furthermore: https://promethiumwings.wordpress.com/2016/06/28/a-review-of-s6e10-of-game-of-thrones/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naturally Low Highborn Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 31 minutes ago, Grizzly Mormont said: Also what happened to the Tyrell army? Shouldn't they arrest and hang Cersei? Cersei does not have any military support other than 1 freaking huge monster zombie. Probably left with QoT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg B Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 9 minutes ago, Grizzly Mormont said: I thought this as well, but it seems unlikely: First, she likely has a personal guard and retinue, but is not a military commander or the lord or heir of the house, so the amry would not follow her orders or be necessary to escort her. Second, the lord of the house and heir both remained in KL. These are who the army takes orders from, and whom they are responsible for protecting. Once the sept was destroyed, they were obligated to go kill Cersei. The Tyrell army was only allowed into the city because the Lannisters and Tyrells planned to forcibly remove Margaery and Loras from the High Sparrow's dungeons. The king (er, the High Sparrow) wouldn't have allowed them to remain in the city following Tommen's embrace of the Faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Mormont Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, Naturally Low Highborn said: Probably left with QoT 13 minutes ago, Grizzly Mormont said: I thought this as well, but it seems unlikely: First, she likely has a personal guard and retinue, but is not a military commander or the lord or heir of the house, so the amry would not follow her orders or be necessary to escort her. Second, the lord of the house and heir both remained in KL. These are who the army takes orders from, and whom they are responsible for protecting. Once the sept was destroyed, they were obligated to go kill Cersei. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceSyckel Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 9 minutes ago, Grizzly Mormont said: I thought this as well, but it seems unlikely: First, she likely has a personal guard and retinue, but is not a military commander or the lord or heir of the house, so the amry would not follow her orders or be necessary to escort her. Second, the lord of the house and heir both remained in KL. These are who the army takes orders from, and whom they are responsible for protecting. Once the sept was destroyed, they were obligated to go kill Cersei. I agree that it makes no sense and seems improbable, but the QoT's presence in Dorne for that meeting implies she had something to offer Dorne/the Sand Snakes in the way of military strength for the proposed alliance. Again, why the armies of Highgarden would have left Mace and Margery alone in KL for a trial is hard to figure. 3 minutes ago, PromethiumWings said: Oh it would have been perfect if Arya had found a crossbow somewhere and shot Walder when he was visiting the crapper. That way the two architects of the red wedding could have been united in their journey to the afterlife as well. I don't buy her somehow finding the time too cook the Freys, and to not have anyone walk in on her while whacking the old man, a discrete arrow in the night a the privy, where privacy is more reasonable to expect, would have been better. Furthermore: https://promethiumwings.wordpress.com/2016/06/28/a-review-of-s6e10-of-game-of-thrones/ This scene was another example of the showrunners rushing through too much territory this season. Arya's assassination would be more plausible had there been at least some foundation laid for it rather than having her teleport to the Twins from Braavos. She certainly had the skills to get hired on as a servant of the Freys. She certainly had the skill to disguise herself, and she certainly could've made that pie easily enough (which I much prefer to a crossbow - that's Cartman style vengeance at its finest, making Frey eat his family). It just seems like a lot to have transpired off screen when last we saw Arya for more than a second she was in Braavos... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceSyckel Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, Greg B said: The Tyrell army was only allowed into the city because the Lannisters and Tyrells planned to forcibly remove Margaery and Loras from the High Sparrow's dungeons. The king (er, the High Sparrow) wouldn't have allowed them to remain in the city following Tommen's embrace of the Faith. I'm not sure how they could've been made to leave so easily once they were inside... Tommen isn't exactly known for his brass balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Mormont Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 9 minutes ago, Greg B said: The Tyrell army was only allowed into the city because the Lannisters and Tyrells planned to forcibly remove Margaery and Loras from the High Sparrow's dungeons. The king (er, the High Sparrow) wouldn't have allowed them to remain in the city following Tommen's embrace of the Faith. That is precisely the problem with allowing armies into your city. Once they're there, its not easy to make them leave. Especially if their Lord is still around. The absence of the Tyrell army is a giant hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg B Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Just now, IceSyckel said: I'm not sure how they could've been made to leave so easily once they were inside... Tommen isn't exactly known for his brass balls. Well, that's the point, really. The High Sparrow, Cersei, and Margaery are all competing to pull his strings. The High Sparrow would obviously want Tommen to order the army out of the city. After the plan to liberate Margaery and Loras fails, Cersei doesn't want the army there either. So what about Margaery? Would she try to convince Tommen to keep the Tyrell army in King's Landing? I don't think so. I think she believes she can control Tommen, and her long game is to get Loras back to Highgarden. She thinks she has all the pieces in place, and it works fine for her if there's an army waiting for Loras when he gets there. The situation with Dorne is uncertain at best, the army has nothing to do in King's Landing, and King's Landing probably has no way to feed them long term. There's really no reason Margaery would try to keep them in the city, and even if she wanted to, she probably couldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Mormont Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, Greg B said: Well, that's the point, really. The High Sparrow, Cersei, and Margaery are all competing to pull his strings. The High Sparrow would obviously want Tommen to order the army out of the city. After the plan to liberate Margaery and Loras fails, Cersei doesn't want the army there either. So what about Margaery? Would she try to convince Tommen to keep the Tyrell army in King's Landing? I don't think so. I think she believes she can control Tommen, and her long game is to get Loras back to Highgarden. She thinks she has all the pieces in place, and it works fine for her if there's an army waiting for Loras when he gets there. The situation with Dorne is uncertain at best, the army has nothing to do in King's Landing, and King's Landing probably has no way to feed them long term. There's really no reason Margaery would try to keep them in the city, and even if she wanted to, she probably couldn't. It's Mace's call, not Margery's, and he would unquestionably want to keep his forces in the city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceSyckel Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Once they were inside, I just don't believe Mace would let them leave, even on the QoT's counsel, while Margery and Loras' fate was uncertain. Granted, the QoT had a great deal of influence over Mace, but as a father myself I can tell you that this is not plausible. Once my army was inside the walls, they could have any trials they wanted, but my army would be staying until my kids were released. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg B Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Just now, Grizzly Mormont said: It's Mace's call, not Margery's, and he would unquestionably want to keep his forces in the city. No. It's the king's call. Mace has no influence with the king. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Mormont Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 The directing in this episode and in episode 9 was flawless; the writing however this season was pretty shoddy (though, far better than last season). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Mormont Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Just now, Greg B said: No. It's the king's call. Mace has no influence with the king. No, dear, its not the king's call. Once the queen's father has his army in the city while his heir is at risk, he would never order them to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceSyckel Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Greg B said: No. It's the king's call. Mace has no influence with the king. It's Mace's army - not the king's. That makes it Mace's call. The king could start a war to remove them forcibly, but he could not make Mace's army leave without Mace's consent, so influence with the king is not relevant. Edited June 28, 2016 by IceSyckel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cas Stark Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, Greg B said: No. It's the king's call. Mace has no influence with the king. Not really. If the king held more sway than somebody's liege lord there would never have been a rebellion or war of five kings the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceSyckel Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, Grizzly Mormont said: The directing in this episode and in episode 9 was flawless; the writing however this season was pretty shoddy (though, far better than last season). I don't know if it was shoddy or just rushed. I mean, if the producers told the writers to cover X amount of story in Y number of episodes, but the writers needed Y+10 episodes to do it well, then they're hardly at fault. I think the direction was great, and I think the writing was probably as good as it could have been given the time constraints. Had they two seasons to cover this amount of story, or even a few more episodes per season, then I think the writers would have done a much better job. They just cut too much in season 6 given how much happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg B Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, Grizzly Mormont said: No, dear, its not the king's call. Once the queen's father has his army in the city while his heir is at risk, he would never order them to leave. Dear? 5 minutes ago, IceSyckel said: It's Mace's army - not the king's. That makes it Mace's call. The king could start a war to remove them forcibly, but he could not make Mace's army leave without Mace's consent, so influence with the king is not relevant. 2 minutes ago, Cas Stark said: Not really. If the king held more sway than somebody's liege lord there would never have been a rebellion or war of five kings the first place. This Mace Tyrell who would defy the king and occupy King's Landing sounds like a badass! He must be in some other show, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Mormont Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Greg B said: Dear? This Mace Tyrell who would defy the king and occupy King's Landing sounds like a badass! He must be in some other show, though. This stern, indefatigable king whose word is iron and whose will is stone. He sounds like a badass. He must be in some other show, though... dear. Edited June 28, 2016 by Grizzly Mormont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nara Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Perhaps the Tyrells army was booted from KL the same time Jaime was because they threatened the HS. If so, it would have been nice if that was mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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