Fox of House McCloud Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 He gained nothing from his brief "alliance" with the Boltons. Even though he managed to get Cersei's approval to attack the Bolton's and become Warden of the North (by marrying Sansa to Ramsay, then using it as proof of the Bolton's betraying the crown), that doesn't count for anything when he immediately declares for Sansa anyways. Was there any point to it at all, or was it just nonsense thrown together by the showrunners to try to hit a book plotline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Phipps Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 1 hour ago, Fox of House McCloud said: He gained nothing from his brief "alliance" with the Boltons. Even though he managed to get Cersei's approval to attack the Bolton's and become Warden of the North (by marrying Sansa to Ramsay, then using it as proof of the Bolton's betraying the crown), that doesn't count for anything when he immediately declares for Sansa anyways. Was there any point to it at all, or was it just nonsense thrown together by the showrunners to try to hit a book plotline? Littlefinger really didn't think Sansa would get abused by the Boltons and miscalculated. He was, however, counting on the Boltons committing an act of treason and the Knights of the Vale needing to "rescue" her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Wun Wun Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Sigh....I really wish they had just killed LF. I guess it will keep up "suspense" next season as we wait for LF to inevitably try and screw Jon over, but I don't like it one bit. Hope the books are different, I don't want to see LF anywhere near Jon Snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroesAndVillains Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Hmm. Maybe it was part of his do some moves that can even count against you to keep your enemies guessing thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran Snow Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 His plan was to have Sansa being Warden of the North after taking care of the Boltons. That way he would have the North and the Vale behind him. With the rest of the country pretty much killing each other, he'd have a strong army to take the Iron Throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donaldys I Trumpagar Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 For one, he didn't/couldn't foresee Jon bringing a wildling army down to defeat Ramsay. Regardless, I never did get that plot line -- why give up Sansa at all, it helps cement his place in the Vale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightwookies Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 He married Sansa to Ramsay, then told Cersei that the boltons betrayed her by the marriage. Cersei promised him warden of the north if he could get the Knights of the vale to destroy the boltons. Jon becoming KitN wasn't part of his plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bb1180 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 One could argue that it isolated the Boltons and broke down their alliances with the Lannisters, which left the Boltons more vulnerable to revolt than they otherwise might have been. This would (and did) create a potential opening to seat Sansa as the Lady of Winterfell and the North if the Boltons fell, which presumably would have effectively given LF control of both the Vale and the North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 It didn't because Sansa choose to back Jon. It's pretty clear the one thing LF didn't anticipate was that Sansa would escape. Had she stayed there, he could have just recued her with the Vale army. Installed her in the North and married her as the guy who rescued her. Then he could feign everything and say he gathered his troops and went to rescue her as soon as he found out what Ramsay was doing. LF wasn't anticipating a Sansa and Jon team up. Otherwise he would have been fine. Even if Sansa died he could take the Vale to Winterfell and Cersie would install him as Warden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 7 minutes ago, Donaldys I Trumpagar said: For one, he didn't/couldn't foresee Jon bringing a wildling army down to defeat Ramsay. Regardless, I never did get that plot line -- why give up Sansa at all, it helps cement his place in the Vale. No it doesn't. He already had sweet Robin . That cemented his place in the Vale more than anything Sansa could do for him. Sansa was his key to the North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockjaw of House Boltagon Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 LF likes to challenge himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonberry Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 There's no way this move makes sense. Don't try to rationalize it. Littlefinger didn't have enough information for any potential hypothetical plan to be anything close to a sure thing. It was a boneheaded blunder, but not on Littlefinger's part--on the writers' part. It's really that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 It was supposed to get him the North in one form or another. Given his scowl when they were shouting the King in the North, I'd say it backfired on him in more than one way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannistician Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 8 minutes ago, bb1180 said: One could argue that it isolated the Boltons and broke down their alliances with the Lannisters, which left the Boltons more vulnerable to revolt than they otherwise might have been. This would (and did) create a potential opening to seat Sansa as the Lady of Winterfell and the North if the Boltons fell, which presumably would have effectively given LF control of both the Vale and the North. The other side of the handshake with Cercei is that after LF took out the Boltons with the Vale army, he was supposed to bring Sansa's head to Cercei - and then, and only then would he be named Warden of the North. LF would be reneging on his deal with Cercei if he seated Sansa as Lady of Winterfell. He would at that point be an enemy of the crown and would lose most of what he has gained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross2013 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 If you aren't blinded by the notion that he "really cares for Sansa," then his moves have been fine (from his point of view). You can't believe anything LF says, you can only look at what he does. Jon showing up clearly wasn't in LF's plans, but that's ok. LF thrives on chaos and I'm sure his minding is working on a solution as we speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Into the Weirwood Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 6 minutes ago, Ross2013 said: If you aren't blinded by the notion that he "really cares for Sansa," then his moves have been fine (from his point of view). You can't believe anything LF says, you can only look at what he does. Jon showing up clearly wasn't in LF's plans, but that's ok. LF thrives on chaos and I'm sure his minding is working on a solution as we speak. Yeah... I don't buy this "I love Sansa" thing. To me that's what interesting about LF: he wants power and at this point he won't allow his feelings (if they do exist) for anyone to be a weakness of his. If Sansa comes along with it then fine, if not so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightwookies Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 13 minutes ago, Stannistician said: The other side of the handshake with Cercei is that after LF took out the Boltons with the Vale army, he was supposed to bring Sansa's head to Cercei - and then, and only then would he be named Warden of the North. LF would be reneging on his deal with Cercei if he seated Sansa as Lady of Winterfell. He would at that point be an enemy of the crown and would lose most of what he has gained. I think Littlefinger had confidence he could explain away marrying Sansa to Cersei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.T. Phipps Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 19 minutes ago, Tonberry said: There's no way this move makes sense. Don't try to rationalize it. Littlefinger didn't have enough information for any potential hypothetical plan to be anything close to a sure thing. It was a boneheaded blunder, but not on Littlefinger's part--on the writers' part. It's really that simple. Littlefinger was used to King's Landing. He wanted Sansa as his inside woman in Winterfell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battle Kitten Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 2 hours ago, Fox of House McCloud said: He gained nothing from his brief "alliance" with the Boltons. Even though he managed to get Cersei's approval to attack the Bolton's and become Warden of the North (by marrying Sansa to Ramsay, then using it as proof of the Bolton's betraying the crown), that doesn't count for anything when he immediately declares for Sansa anyways. Was there any point to it at all, or was it just nonsense thrown together by the showrunners to try to hit a book plotline? Or maybe Littlefinger is a big fat liar and just made that up to get Sansa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deej Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 He sent Sansa to the Bolton's cus he knew they'd do something shitty and he'd be able to rally the Vale to help take Winterfell to rescue her. There's no way he didn't know what Ramsay was capable of. He knew Sansa would have to forgive him cus he was the only power around the area capable of stopping Ramsay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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