Dawn

[Sly Wren]

On June 27, 2016 at 6:15 AM, Drago said:

If Jon was a Dane Lyanna would not be concern about Roberts wrath.  Even though you cannot make out what Jon's name is conclusively you can make out that Lyanna is concerned about Robert getting his hands on him.

Robert hates Rhaegar because he thinks Rhaegar stole and raped Lyanna. Even if it came out that Lyanna and Rhaegar were lovers, Robert would likely still hate the man enough to kill.

Do you really think Robert would be any happier if it was only Rhaegar's bestie (Arthur) and not Rhaegar himself who had sex with Lyanna? That he'd be all fine with it as long as whomever father Jon wasn't a Targaryen?

Or would he just also hate the Daynes with a homicidal wrath? And Jon would be in just as much danger.

[GeorgeIAF]

2 hours ago, YOVMO said:

I am sure we can manage do have this conversation in a civil manner. Quite simply: I love this genre. I don't care if a show or a movie has absurdly bad writing, is a sterotype or has shit for internal logic. That's fine. I have probably seen every movie with a freaking dragon or a sword it in like 11 times. I watched some pretty garbage TV because I enjoy it.

Further, the production quality, (most of) the actors, the costumes, the cgi, the score, the general feeling given over with the show is outrageously good. I mean, wow. Fine. Yes. Awesome.

So I will watch this show. I will always watch it.

 

However, asoiaf and the GoT tv show in the first 3 seasons gave us something new. They gave us a story that wasn't bullshit sophomoric writing with cool swords and scripts. They gave us three dimensional characters, shades of gray in everyone, unclear motivations, things you could care about. It wasn't orcs and handsome knights. The logic in the show was complex and interesting and valuable and, honestly, beautiful. The writing, not just books to show  because I think it is fair to call them separate universes and need to be treated on their own merits, in the show for the first few seasons was as close to immaculate as we can get.

 

d&d have betrayed the promise given to fans by basically turning out bullshit writing and falling into the lazy and, frankly, ridiculously amateur plot and character shit that has plagued this great genre.

They took characters with so much depth and so much interest and replaced it with writing more suited to porno or professional wrestling. The Rock and Stone Cold Steve Austin have the same amount of depth and arc of characters.

And here you are, fuming that someone would feel let down and aggrieved by the disgusting display of writing more suited to a highschool creative writing class than to what will amount to the greatest tapestry of character, intrigue, plot and story of our generation.

No, taking this show and turning it into Pro Wrestling level discourse is not just bad, but it is sad and it shows a fundamental lack of talent and knowledge. Further, it shows the kind of hubris that someone can only have when they are totally insulated from criticism. The arrogance mixed with the lack of talent reminds me of the rich kid in high school who thinks he is legitimately better than everyone else because his parents bought him a fancy car.

The smugness that drips off this writing compared to the total lack of ability that shines through it is cause for anger and people who aren't frankly offended by the writing at this point surprise me.

Don't struggle to hold back what you want to say. I am willing to read dissenting opinions. I am sure you can find a way to express yourself in a way that is in a civil tenor for debate over something we both are obviously invested in and not resort to ad hominem attacking which isn't really what we should be doing.

It would have been a better TV-Show if they knew from the start how many seasons they will make and so on ... and a couple more episodes/season will have helped, and if the 6th book was released, it would have helped them also. I enjoy it as it is though, with the inevitable flaws, it is still the best tv-show around. I enjoyed the books more, but even the books had some major flaws. 

[CrypticWeirwood]

On June 27, 2016 at 5:51 AM, GeorgeIAF said:

No, i am suggesting that obsidian might be ineffective against the NK and maybe a certain sword made from a falling star might be the answer.

That's an interesting notion, for sure.

[ErasmusF]

22 hours ago, YOVMO said:

I am all about the tinfoil stuff, really. I love it. However, I just don't buy this. I think it is far more likely that Edric will be the next sword of the morning. If you go back in any of the family histories of the high lords of westeros you will find some connection through marriage.

 

ALso, yes, GRRM does make Arthur and Rhaegar as close friends very clear but not so in the show and, as people who are fans of the abysmal writing in the show constantly remind us, it is two separate universes.

The gymnastics it takes to make Jon Sword of the Morning are pretty extreme and the pay off is not really that great. I won't venture a guess about the show, but I think in the books it is more likely that Arthur Dayne is still alive and hiding out in Blackhaven with his sister (Lord Beric's fiancé) and has been since howland reed brokered a peace based on jon at the tower of joy.

I think the TOJ reveal will come when Edric takes Beric back to Blackhaven to be buried and meets, is trained by, knighted by and named sword of the morning by Arthur Dayne who, before dying, tells him the truth of the tower of joy.

Further, I believe that longclaw is actually blackfyre and was stashed at the wall by Bloodraven when he was LC of the Nights watch.

 

That sets up a friendship of Jon and Edric the way there was a friendship between Rhaegar Targ and Arthur.

 

I honestly think that it is a much more likely scenario and one that actually has a much higher pay off.

 

I agree it would be a great story for the show to introduce Edric Dayne and the newly minted Sword of the Morning, and for him to ride North to meet with Jon. And perhaps that is how Jon's parentage is revealed. 

I don't get the obsession with Blackfyre being Longclaw. Lots of minor houses has VS swords and still do. Tywin had been trying to buy one for years. The Tarlys have one, and had one as a THIRD TIER house in the Reach. The Corbrays have one. House Drumm and Harlaw have them. VS was most available back in the time of the petty kings, so its very likely that a house might rise to power long enough to acquire one by trade or conquest. 

[YOVMO]

Just now, ErasmusF said:

I agree it would be a great story for the show to introduce Edric Dayne and the newly minted Sword of the Morning, and for him to ride North to meet with Jon. And perhaps that is how Jon's parentage is revealed. 

Yeah, I don't want to say likely but it would be pretty cool.

Just now, ErasmusF said:

I don't get the obsession with Blackfyre being Longclaw. Lots of minor houses has VS swords and still do.

There is a lot there. I made a post about it earlier. Some minor houses do. However, not really as minor as Mormont and the fact that they had it 100 Years before the Starks had ice even odder. Also a lot of physical similarities, a lot of contextual evidence and a lot of chain of custody issues with both blackfyre and longclaw

Just now, ErasmusF said:

Tywin had been trying to buy one for years.

Unsuccessfully .... which, ya know, says something.,

Just now, ErasmusF said:

 

The Tarlys have one, and had one as a THIRD TIER house in the Reach.

House Tarly is an old, famous and wealthy house known for it's prowess in battle...their very words read First to Fight. On the other hand, mormonts were essentially hedge lords until they were given bear island by the starks. There is a bunch of oddball things that I believe point to longclaw story being total BS.

Just now, ErasmusF said:

The Corbrays have one. House Drumm and Harlaw have them. VS was most available back in the time of the petty kings, so its very likely that a house might rise to power long enough to acquire one by trade or conquest. 

Yes, it is possible, however, I do feel there is a bunch of compelling evidence. You can search around. I just made a post today that has a few things in it with quotes and context.

[JGP]

7 hours ago, tugela said:

The prophecy specifically refers to Azor Ahai being born as the red star bleeds. Red = Red mountains of Dorne (where the Daynes live); star = Arthur Dayne (house sigil is a star); bleeding = Arthur Dayne dying at the tower of joy. So the prophecy does match the Daynes.

Oh god, is that it?

[has a good laugh]

I mean, the way people someone mentioned 'deep theorizzation' or whatever into the Daunes on this subject, I figured I must have missed separate a prophecy or vision or something somehwere.

[CrypticWeirwood]

1 hour ago, Sly Wren said:

Robert hates Rhaegar because he thinks Rhaegar stole and raped Lyanna. Even if it came out that Lyanna and Rhaegar were lovers, Robert would likely still hate the man enough to kill.

Do you really think Robert would be any happier if it was only Rhaegar's bestie (Arthur) and not Rhaegar himself who had sex with Lyanna? That he'd be all fine with it as long as whomever father Jon wasn't a Targaryen?

Or would he just also hate the Daynes with a homicidal wrath? And Jon would be in just as much danger.

Robert would have killed FakeJon for sure as a hidden prince who threatened his reign.

And while he’d have no place to talk if she mothered a bastard by someone else, since that was his own modus operandi, I’m sure it would bug him that she was no longer the virgin he never was.

[YOVMO]

7 hours ago, tugela said:

The prophecy specifically refers to Azor Ahai being born as the red star bleeds. Red = Red mountains of Dorne (where the Daynes live); star = Arthur Dayne (house sigil is a star); bleeding = Arthur Dayne dying at the tower of joy. So the prophecy does match the Daynes.

It also matches Melisandra though...who is probably daughter of Shiera Seastar and bloodraven, Mel star of the sea and, at castle black, after seeing a vision spontaneously starts bleeding. Red star bleeding

[Sly Wren]

21 minutes ago, CrypticWeirwood said:

Robert would have killed FakeJon for sure as a hidden prince who threatened his reign.

Of course

But both the show and the books make it clear that Robert wanted Rhaegar dead for "what he did to your (Ned's) sister" --as he says in this scene. That's Robert's focus--revenge for what happened to Lyanna.

So, his murderous anger is not about protecting the throne. It's about making the man who raped and killed Lyanna dead.

Any man Robert thought did such a thing to Lyanna would incur the same wrath.

21 minutes ago, CrypticWeirwood said:

And while he’d have no place to talk if she mothered a bastard by someone else, since that was his own modus operandi, I’m sure it would bug him that she was no longer the virgin he never was.

Well, he SHOULD have no reason to talk, but given the time period, he'd likely do it any way.

And I agree her lack of virginity would bug him. But her getting dead because of those who "stole" her; his thinking that she was raped and killed (in the books he says Rhaegar raped her half a hundred times). THAT'S what makes him so angry. So filled with vengeance.

So, how would that be lessened in any way if if were Rhaegar's bestie--Arthur? Or would Robert not just assume that Rhaegar passed Lyanna around to his kingsguard and want them all dead?

The show and the books have made it clear that the "rape" and "murder" of Lyanna drive Robert's wrath. So, why wouldn't that same wrath apply to another man who Robert thought had done what he thinks Rhaegar did? 

ETA: I fully agree that Rhaegar could very well be Jon's father. But if the argument is that no one but Rhaegar could be the father because only Rhaegar would incite such wrath from Robert--No. Neither the books nor the show support that assertion.

Throw in the sword, as the OP notes, and both the show and the books have made it very clear that Arthur and his sword really, really matter.

[Vuron]

22 minutes ago, ErasmusF said:

 

I don't get the obsession with Blackfyre being Longclaw. Lots of minor houses has VS swords and still do. Tywin had been trying to buy one for years. The Tarlys have one, and had one as a THIRD TIER house in the Reach. The Corbrays have one. House Drumm and Harlaw have them. VS was most available back in the time of the petty kings, so its very likely that a house might rise to power long enough to acquire one by trade or conquest. 

I'm with you on the obsession part.  Many people just WANT to make things part of a conspiracy instead of taking them for face value.  High Sparrow secret identity, secret Targs, ice dragons, the list goes on and on.

VS swords are rare but not super rare. TWoIaF states that there are more than 200 VS swords in Westeros and we even know of other VS weapons like the dagger that was used to try to kill Bran.

 

[ErasmusF]

1 hour ago, YOVMO said:

There is a lot there. I made a post about it earlier. Some minor houses do. However, not really as minor as Mormont and the fact that they had it 100 Years before the Starks had ice even odder. Also a lot of physical similarities, a lot of contextual evidence and a lot of chain of custody issues with both blackfyre and longclaw

Unsuccessfully .... which, ya know, says something.,

House Tarly is an old, famous and wealthy house known for it's prowess in battle...their very words read First to Fight. On the other hand, mormonts were essentially hedge lords until they were given bear island by the starks. There is a bunch of oddball things that I believe point to longclaw story being total BS.

Yes, it is possible, however, I do feel there is a bunch of compelling evidence. You can search around. I just made a post today that has a few things in it with quotes and context.

House Drumm got Red Rain from a knight - not even a lord. I agree it's a tad, little bit, weency bit fishy for the Mormonts to have a VS sword, but not out of the question. But...

1) Why would Jeor Mormont make up the story about giving it to Jorah when he joined the NW? That's easily verifiable, and in fact, Jon could have verified it standing in front of Lyanna Mormont straightaway. If it was a NW sword, why not just say "this is longclaw, it's been in the NW for 500 years, given to the man most capable of weilding it..." seems like a better story. So basically people are just saying Jeor is a bad confabulator. 

2) It seems more plausible that Dany will end up with Blackfyre in the show, and fAegon in the books. Why? 

Because Varys has Blackfyre. And it's hidden in King's Landing.  

In the show, Varys will give Blackfyre to Dany when she takes the crown and he says something like "we procured this from some sellswords in Essos. We thought you should have it because it's Aegon the Conqueror's Sword." It will be a majestic reveal.  If I am further speculating, Dany will give Blackfyre to Jorah and we will have some serious irony.

In the books, Varys will give it to fAegon once he cements his pact with Dorne. I am not sure what GRRM is going to do with fAegon, so I can't say what fAegon will do with it, but I assume he will march North eventually. But he won't want to give it to him too soon because he will not want people making the bastard/Blackfyre connection.  

 

[YOVMO]

13 minutes ago, ErasmusF said:

House Drumm got Red Rain from a knight - not even a lord. I agree it's a tad, little bit, weency bit fishy for the Mormonts to have a VS sword, but not out of the question. But...

1) Why would Jeor Mormont make up the story about giving it to Jorah when he joined the NW? That's easily verifiable, and in fact, Jon could have verified it standing in front of Lyanna Mormont straightaway.

I don't think it is that easily verifiable. Jeor probably had no idea that Jon would ever stand before Lyanna, that Lyanna would be the Lady of House Mormont at the age of 10 and Lyanna would have been born after her mother, strangely enough, sent their ancestral sword to the wall. I would think that the NIghts Watch having their own sword would be more easily verifiable from Maester Aemon or the library. Jorah was off in exile in essos and ulikely to ever return. Jon was at the nights watch and unlikely to take place in a battle for winterfell or be in a position to go to house Mormont. It seems like it would be a very good story.

13 minutes ago, ErasmusF said:

 

If it was a NW sword, why not just say "this is longclaw, it's been in the NW for 500 years, given to the man most capable of weilding it..." seems like a better story. So basically people are just saying Jeor is a bad confabulator. 

2) It seems more plausible that Dany will end up with Blackfyre in the show, and fAegon in the books. Why? 

Because Varys has Blackfyre. And it's hidden in King's Landing.  

I think that Dany is more likely to be dead than anything (at least in the books) I am unclear about the show. I can never argue with logic that says Vary's has something up his sleeve, but the idea that Blackfyre is the sword of Targ kings, that Jon would be the rightful Targ heir at this point and that blackfyre has a sordid history with regard to Aegon IV of legitimizing bastards leading to ugliness and war are just a few of the things....not to mention that blackfyre is described physically to be distinct from other VS swords in that it was darker and smokier in color and longclaw described the same way.

I am willing to concede that there is some tinfoil hattery going on here, but no more than any other theory involving the location of blackfyre (something GRRM said we would in fact see) and a lot less than others.

13 minutes ago, ErasmusF said:

In the show, Varys will give Blackfyre to Dany when she takes the crown and he says something like "we procured this from some sellswords in Essos. We thought you should have it because it's Aegon the Conqueror's Sword." It will be a majestic reveal.  If I am further speculating, Dany will give Blackfyre to Jorah and we will have some serious irony.

I just don't see this. Jorah wielding blackfyre wouldn't make any sense. Dany having it would make some sense, but not really. The sword is called The Sword of The King. It is a bastard sword that has been used to legitimize Targaryen bastards. Jon is the rightful Targ king (assuming R+L=J) who is a bastard who will be raised up as a Targaryen. The swords are similar. Jorah's story seems odd and the last first hand account of the sword, That of Ser Eustice, has it with Bloodraven who later became LC of the nights watch. Bloodraven having an intimate connection to crowing a targ king over a blackfyre pretender. There is so much here.

13 minutes ago, ErasmusF said:

In the books, Varys will give it to fAegon once he cements his pact with Dorne.

Possible again. I put nothing past Varys. That said, I do not believe fAegon is legit. I think he will wind up with a fake blackfyre which will possibly be shattered in a fight proving it no real VS sword. This goes into my belief that Arthur Dayne is alive and well and will leave Dawn to Edric, knight him, name him the new sword of the morning, fill him (and the reader) in on R+J=L before dying in the stormlands at Blackhaven

13 minutes ago, ErasmusF said:

I am not sure what GRRM is going to do with fAegon, so I can't say what fAegon will do with it, but I assume he will march North eventually. But he won't want to give it to him too soon because he will not want people making the bastard/Blackfyre connection.  

 

I think that whatever happens with fAegon will be incredibly tricky. It will take a lot of cagey plot to get out of that bit without it getting hokey. I have faith in GRRM that he will do it. Agreed that it won't be too soon whatever it is. Might not actually see that the end of that story until ADOS. It can't be rushed and there is a ton of meat on the bones.

[JGP]

4 hours ago, TheSmallOther said:

I'm sorry, but... Ned went back to Starfall for a single reason - to return Dawn to Daynes. Are you saying Daynes didn't want the sword which was kept within their house for thousands of years? Or that Ned went back to Winterfell and no one noticed The Sword he carried?

I'm not saying that at all. Of course they would, and it's possible that Ned will stop by Starfall on his way North with Howland, the woman from the ToJ that presumably was considered as Wylla, and infant Jon.

I think, however, that you're conflating textual incidents from the books with the show. Has Ashara ever been mentioned in the show? Has Blackfyre, or even Dark Sister? Not that I can recall, but in-show has certainly established the Sword of the Morning's greatsword-- even if only as a decoration stuck into the ground during the confrontation and at the foot of the Lyanna's deathbed. 

With it's name as symbol, Dawn would be an ideal weapon for Jon once he's fully realized [again, in-show] and insofar as flames flickering along the blade for added wow-ism or whatever, they could go there as well since Beric established that his resurrected blood can ignite steel [in S3 or S4 if I recall correctly.]

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Regarding YOVMO's speculation into Longclaw, that's an interesting discussion that I've had quite recently with some friends on Facebook. It's all pretty odd, the history around Mormont's taking the Black and possession of Longclaw-- in the books, mind.  

[Cas Stark]

Maybe the Daynes will show up after all.  Maybe the woman we didn't see is a Dayne, and the Sword(s) of the Morning other sword, Dawn, will have a role to play, although you can never quite tell w/the show whats pure randomness v. what is their idea of foreshadowing....

[Dragondengar]

I like the idea of Jon being a Dayne over being a Targaryen. 

1. House Dayne looks favorably on Eddard Stark even though he is rumored to have been the one to kill Arthur Dayne in Single Combat. It is theorized that he was also romantically involved with Ashara Dayne but had to reject her in order to fulfill his family's obligation to join with the Tullys of Riverrun. This could have very likely contributed to her taking her life. Instead they name the future lord of Starfall for him. To me this seems to be a lot more gratitude than just returning Arthur's Sword after having murdered him. 

2. Rhaegar Targaryen is considered by Everyone who knew him (with the exception of Robert Baratheon) as the Best man they knew. Barristan the Bold knew and worked with Eddard Stark but still considered Rhaegar to have been superior. Even Eddard at times thought of Rhaegar as not being the sort of person who engaged in low-brow actions. This being the case, why would he abandon his wife, daughter, and newborn son to the loving care of his crazed father to have an adulterous tyrst in the mountains of Dorne with a woman whos "theft" led to the entire kingdom at war with itself. This action is irresponsible on numerous levels, which is something that people never accused Rhaegar of. 

3. Ned Named Jon after Jon Arryn, the man who taught him the meaning of Honor. This tells me that he considered Jon to be the fulfillment of his Honor. It tells me that when Jon's truth came to be known that he would at last be vindicated in his own personal dishonor against himself and his wife. 

I believe that the Daynes of Starfall are a family descended from another line of Valyrians. I believe the Targaryens were but one of a number of Families. 

1. The Roots of House Dayne are set down in the Dawn age. The Daynes were one of the first Kings of Dorne and their family has always carried the sword Dawn. It's wielder, a Knight of Dayne Lineage has always been called the Sword of the Morning. 

2. Dawn is said to be forged in the heart of a fallen star. It's blade is pale as Milkglass, but it has the same properties as Valyrian Steel. This implies that the Family either came into posession of the sword from someone of Valyrian descent, or that they themselves forged it. 

3. Numerous members of the Dayne family bear resemblence to the Targaryens of Valyria. While the Targaryen family tree does show Dayne's Marrying into the Targaryen family, they don't show Targaryens marrying outside the family into the Daynes. This implies that they trace their ancestry to another (possibly more ancient) origin. 

4. Rhaegar was supposedly a rather solitary figure. His closest friend was Arthur Dayne. If this theory is true, that would mean that any prophecy requiring Blood of Valyria would be true for Arthur just as it was for Rhaegar. Further, this would be information kept secret. Robert Baratheon would not have suffered another Valyrian line in Westeros that might try to claim the kingship if he thought that it was a possibility. 

If these are all true, then Rhaegar facilitated Lyanna and Arthur Dayne eloping to Dorne as Arthur was bound by his vows not to wed out of his friendship to Arthur and with respect for the prophecies involved. Ned Stark is honored by the Dayne's for preserving their secret as well as the identity of a member of their family, and Jon could one day take up the Mantle of Sword of the Morning. 

I know there may be multiple layers of Tinfoil here, but is makes a sort of sense in my head. 

[tugela]

8 hours ago, Jon's Queen Consort said:

I know.

I agree. I believe that the Daynes are the ancestors of the Valyrians.

I am sure that this isn't how it works. By your logic anyone with incestuous Targ granparents have "double shot".

No, if you have two halves that are the same, you still only have half even if you put them together.

The Daynes would be a different half, so one of them plus a Targaryen could potentially make a whole. Neither of them could do it individually, even if they married within their own families. They would still only have half.

[Jon's Queen Consort]

Just now, tugela said:

No, if you have two halves that are the same, you still only have half even if you put them together.

The Daynes would be a different half, so one of them plus a Targaryen could potentially make a whole. Neither of them could do it individually, even if they married within their own families. They would still only have half.

What I mean is that by your logic everyone with a drop of Dayne blood is a canditate for being AAR and I believe that is obvious that it doesn't work like that.

[tugela]

5 hours ago, Sly Wren said:

Robert hates Rhaegar because he thinks Rhaegar stole and raped Lyanna. Even if it came out that Lyanna and Rhaegar were lovers, Robert would likely still hate the man enough to kill.

Do you really think Robert would be any happier if it was only Rhaegar's bestie (Arthur) and not Rhaegar himself who had sex with Lyanna? That he'd be all fine with it as long as whomever father Jon wasn't a Targaryen?

Or would he just also hate the Daynes with a homicidal wrath? And Jon would be in just as much danger.

The kingsguard would not have been tasked with protecting her if it was Arthurs child. They would have killed Arthur instead, because (1) Lyanna was Rhaegars; and (2) Kingsguard were supposed to remain single and celebate as part of their oaths.

[tugela]

On ‎6‎/‎27‎/‎2016 at 9:51 AM, Smoke317 said:

No shoehorning. Read up on the theories on this forum. They are very deep. Many believe that the Dayne's are just caretakers of the sword. They are holding it until the next Sword of the Morning arises. Also as I stated, if Jon is Rhaegar's son, he has Dayne blood, as a few generations back a Dayne married a Targ. Just check the Wiki. It's all there. And the show may or may not go into details about Rhaegar & Arthur's friendship. They don't have to. They can gloss over many things like usual. The books and GRRM have made it clear Arthur & Rhaegar were best friends. They've made it clear Dayne's have Targ features. They've also made it clear that Dayne house dates back to the First Men.  Here's another guess of mine that we'll have to wait 10 months to figure out: the 2 kids that casting leaks for next season that are said to interact with the main cast will be the Daynes. Erdric & Allyria Dayne.  Just an assumption. 

Casting the younger Daynes will be necessary for a completely different reason. There is strong reason to believe that Daenerys is the daughter of Rhaegar and Ashara, and the writers would need some mechanic to introduce those ideas into the TV show. In the book that was done by Ser Barristan, but he is dead and so cannot do it on the show. They would need a different mechanism. Using the current generation of Daynes would allow them to do it.

We do know that Ned goes to Starfall after ToJ, and while he is there Ashara disappears under mysterious circumstances after recently giving birth to a daughter. We know that Daenerys is so similar to Ashara that she could easily be taken for her daughter. We also know that the Daynes are on very friendly terms with Ned, even though he killed their heir and (apparently) was responsible for Ashara killing herself. So there is something else going on there, and it has nothing to do with Jon. While these things are made clear in the book, it has not happened on the show, so they would need a different mechanism to do it.

[tugela]

14 minutes ago, Jon's Queen Consort said:

What I mean is that by your logic everyone with a drop of Dayne blood is a canditate for being AAR and I believe that is obvious that it doesn't work like that.

Not everyone. To remake the right person they would have to bring back together blood that has been separated for thousands of years, and even then it would not always work (genetics has a 50:50 chance of happening, so the possibility of the right combo would be 25%, assuming both parents have a copy of the right genes). Two Daynes together could not do it, neither could two Targaryens. Marrying siblings doesn't help, other than improving the probability of preserving your half of the required genes. And not every Dayne or Targaryen (or progeny) would carry the right genes, some may not have it. The right genes could also be carried in apparently unrelated families that had a distant connection to one of the two houses through a maternal line, and that would produce the right person when combined. So, if Lyanna had a distant relative who was a Dayne woman, the Starks might have the right gene as well, carried by Lyanna. When combined with Rhaegar, an Azor Ahai was born. And a second Azor Ahai was created when Rhaegar had a child with Ashara (hypothetically).

So, we need the Dayne gene and the Targaryen gene both present to make the promised one.