Alan of Rosby Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 The Tyrells are all dead. Is there a cadet branch of House Tyrell that inherits Highgarden and her army? Olenna Tyrell is in exile so she might as well be dead as far as inheritance goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose Tyler Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Willas Tyrell is still alive, Olenna was running from the HS not Cercei and Highgarden controls the food for most of the south so they are still powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Not sure who will inherit but pretty sure Tarly and some other Reach lords are going to rebel when they hear about Olenna's alliance with Dorne and Dany's army of barbarians and eunuchs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leofric Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 The show indicates that Olenna is still in charge of the Reach as she is making alliances, but they left us no clue who actually would inherit after Loras, as they seem to be indicating there are no more Tyrells, with her comments about having no future. In the books, Loras has two older brothers, Willas and Garlan, and a ton of cousins, one of which is at the Citadel where Sam just arrived in this episode, so there would be a lot more options if things play out similarly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsaw Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 52 minutes ago, Rose Tyler said: Willas Tyrell is still alive, Olenna was running from the HS not Cercei and Highgarden controls the food for most of the south so they are still powerful. Not a show character. On the show, the Tyrell line is officially extinct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanRunner Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 @Warsaw Did they state that in the show that the tyrell line is extinct? For all we know we could be introduced to highgarden in season 7 which I think will happen, Highgarden will be taken over by Garlan or Willas as officially Willas and Garlan Tyrell exist in HBO show canon in the family tree but yes they were cut from the show and their status as Alive so if the show adds them then they could take control. Dany will most likely landfall in Dorne and travel up, I assume this due to the Season 7 location in spain for battle scenes, if she lands in dorne then she would travel up through highgarden and possibly marry Willas or Garlan as Ollena would negotiate a strong alliance and thus see Tyrell line grow strong (as their motto state) again, seeing as Dorne doesnt have anyone to marry off to dany. The most plausible thing I believe to happen only if these characters are added though Ollena has never mentioned them before and therefore would be a plot hole to cover up. Idk just theorizing here. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AryaSansa Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 How did Olenna know that Cersei was the one that killed them all? Lannisters and Cersei's son died too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockjaw of House Boltagon Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 They can always retcon Garlan or Willas into existence if they're needed but I doubt it. Of course, they would have to be younger than Loras in the show canon for it to make a modicum of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErasmusF Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 24 minutes ago, OceanRunner said: @Warsaw Did they state that in the show that the tyrell line is extinct? For all we know we could be introduced to highgarden in season 7 which I think will happen, Highgarden will be taken over by Garlan or Willas as officially Willas and Garlan Tyrell exist in HBO show canon in the family tree but yes they were cut from the show and their status as Alive so if the show adds them then they could take control. Dany will most likely landfall in Dorne and travel up, I assume this due to the Season 7 location in spain for battle scenes, if she lands in dorne then she would travel up through highgarden and possibly marry Willas or Garlan as Ollena would negotiate a strong alliance and thus see Tyrell line grow strong (as their motto state) again, seeing as Dorne doesnt have anyone to marry off to dany. The most plausible thing I believe to happen only if these characters are added though Ollena has never mentioned them before and therefore would be a plot hole to cover up. Idk just theorizing here. What do you think? They did when Olenna was talking to the Sand Snakes. But I thought she had previously offered to marry Sansa to Willas on the show. If they did, they have officially "forgotten" the event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockjaw of House Boltagon Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, ErasmusF said: They did when Olenna was talking to the Sand Snakes. But I thought she had previously offered to marry Sansa to Willas on the show. If they did, they have officially "forgotten" the event. No, Sansa was supposed to marry Loras in the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanRunner Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 1 minute ago, ErasmusF said: They did when Olenna was talking to the Sand Snakes. But I thought she had previously offered to marry Sansa to Willas on the show. If they did, they have officially "forgotten" the event. I think they were to marry her to Loras? I cant remember but having them apart from the HBO official family tree in the viewer guide means they are a possible cast for future seasons I mean Spoiler they did just blow up half the cast, so plenty of room to fill in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan of Rosby Posted June 28, 2016 Author Share Posted June 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, OceanRunner said: I think they were to marry her to Loras? I cant remember but having them apart from the HBO official family tree in the viewer guide means they are a possible cast for future seasons I mean Hide contents they did just blow up half the cast, so plenty of room to fill in They could take the easy way out and retcon that he was in the Sept of Baelor when Cersei blew it up. That's what I'd do. He was lingering at the back because he's shy and he has a bad leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanRunner Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 47 minutes ago, Alan of Rosby said: They could take the easy way out and retcon that he was in the Sept of Baelor when Cersei blew it up. That's what I'd do. He was lingering at the back because he's shy and he has a bad leg. Who, Willas? I would assume Ollena wouldnt have Garlan and or Willas if apart of show be anywhere near kings landing especially around the time she was leaving...Loras was trapped, Mace was dumb and master of coin with obligations and Margeary was playng the Game she stayed for family....Ollena left and if Garlan and Willas were there they would have been more apparent as their siblings are going through this conflict unless Ollena forced them to stay home for saftey, thats how I'd write it, she keeps quiet on her other grandchildren to protect her line idk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumy Stark Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 27 minutes ago, ErasmusF said: They did when Olenna was talking to the Sand Snakes. But I thought she had previously offered to marry Sansa to Willas on the show. If they did, they have officially "forgotten" the event. Yeah in the show Loras took over Willas's storyline (and kept his own). He was supposed to marry Sansa and then Cersei was supposed to marry Loras after Sansa married Tyrion. No brothers are ever mentioned and one of the reasons Olenna was so freaked out by Loras's imprisonment is because he was the "future of the house" aka the last male heir. There are no more Tyrells, as it were, but it seems Olenna is in charge of Highgarden at the moment (and I mean who would even try to take it from her, woman is scary (in the best way)). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levo Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Loras was the only male in show, hence Tywin threatening to basically end the name by 'requesting' Loras join the KG. I remember the season one family tree had I think one sibling at least though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanRunner Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Tyrell was one of my favorite houses but goes to show what the game of thrones has become, not so much getting the thrones now but wiping out houses to get it/power in general = Martell/Bolton/Tyrell/Baratheon (If Gendry is a bastard and not a twist), the Starks namesake is gone unless Bran fathers a child, Targs on brink if they all die, If Tyrion doesnt father or dies and the twins die then Lannister will be gone too...all these once great houses will be gone to leave smaller ones to take its place...very interesting, I like this about GRRM, no one or house is safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan of Rosby Posted June 28, 2016 Author Share Posted June 28, 2016 22 minutes ago, OceanRunner said: Who, Willas? I would assume Ollena wouldnt have Garlan and or Willas if apart of show be anywhere near highgarden especially around the time she was leaving...Loras was trapped, Mace was dumb and master of coin with obligations and Margeary was playng the Game she stayed for family....Ollena left and if Garlan and Willas were there they would have been more apparent as their siblings are going through this conflict unless Ollena forced them to stay home for saftey, thats how I'd write it, she keeps quiet on her other grandchildren to protect her line idk... She did say her line was gone though, so if Willas is a canonical character in the show than he must be dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonberry Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 21 hours ago, Alan of Rosby said: The Tyrells are all dead. Is there a cadet branch of House Tyrell that inherits Highgarden and her army? Olenna Tyrell is in exile so she might as well be dead as far as inheritance goes. Yes! Margaery mentioned her cousin Allana Tyrell back in season 3. The people who write this show don't care about continuity, though, so don't expect her to make any appearance. Apparently the powers that be in Highgarden are happy to be ruled by a Redwyne matriarch now in place of a true Tyrell. Good question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbuehner Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 The idea of Olenna (and Luthor) only having 2 grandchildren in the context of a powerful House in a Middle Ages context is almost ludicrous. Certainly dangerous. If Mace didn't have any brothers you would have to see if Luthor had brothers with a line of male descendants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanRunner Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Who then should take over specifically? Who has greater claim? I would think Redwyne? Oakhearts, Rowans, and Florents all have a blood tie claim to the original house, House Gardener so probs ones of these houses maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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