Relic Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, Heartofice said: You do understand you are yourself discussing these things on the internet on a forum? Shouldn't you do something more constructive with that energy? Are you secretly ten years old? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Relic said: Are you secretly ten years old? I wish I was. Not sure that’s relevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 6 hours ago, Myrddin said: Spin off = 007: Bond Beyond While I can see them trying to finally get a spin off to start a Bond Cinematic Universe, would they really try to shelve the character of Bond? Seems like another reboot (soft or hard) is on the horizon in some form. Yeah, the character James Bond will definitely be back. But how can we still make it super PC and un-PC at the same time? I know, James Bond is played by a cis-female actor playing as a trans-man. I already have the perfect casting for it: Gwendoline Christie. Man, I think almost everyone would be conflicted over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 minute ago, The Anti-Targ said: Yeah, the character James Bond will definitely be back. But how can we still make it super PC and un-PC at the same time? I know, James Bond is played by a cis-female actor playing as a trans-man. I already have the perfect casting for it: Gwendoline Christie. Man, I think almost everyone would be conflicted over this. I suggest Scarlett Johansson to play the role.. oh wait.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Relic said: Atomic Blonde was a better movie than any of the recent Bonds have been. Also, who gives a shit? Why are people so hell bent on being upset over fucking entertainment? Do something constructive with that energy, raging about 007 being a (gasp!!) woman is just sooooooo pathetic. Honestly I can understand people’s initial outrage because it was poorly reported on. The first thing I saw was that Bond would be played by a woman, which is odd. Once it was clarified that agent 007 would be a woman, who cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Actually, the concept of a new, different, 007 is fascinating. I look forward to seeing how they pull it off and pray the outcome of a female 007 sharing the screen with Bond doesn't involve fridging her to get Bond back in the forefront... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 My idea for post-Craig Bond prior to this is to cast Bond as a young cocky inexperienced naval officer captured by spies/terrorists while in possession of info. Cue 007 (Idris Elba) as the veteran spy tasked to rescue him and recover info. 2nd film is Bond training as spy, assigned to 007. Third sees 007 injured and Bond becoming the new 007 while Elba perhaps becones M. Means you can get a good 15-20 years out of the youbg actor if willing, or recast, but retain continuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Most of these ideas are just standard generic spy movie fodder that has basically been done to death by other movies. I’m interested in what makes a Bond movie if you don’t have James Bond in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, Heartofice said: I’m interested in what makes a Bond movie if you don’t have James Bond in it. OK. Before we begin, though, what in your opinion are the unique properties of James Bond that do make a Bond movie a Bond movie? Because I'm pretty sure we're going to find that they're all either very surface level motifs, hopelessly outdated male wish-fulfilment or standard spy fodder done to death by other movies. Bond isn't some deep and unique character, really. He's resourceful, determined and possessed of dry humour. Other than that, he has been portrayed very differently by a series of different actors under different directors with different writers. I don't see why the ideas above, which do feature Bond, are inherently less interesting or distinctive than any of the previous Bond films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Regardless of who plays Bond, and whether Bond is 007, and whether its all supposed to be the same Bond, and all of that; all I want is for Bond to go on a straightforward spy mission again (straightforward in the set-up I mean; there can be tons of plot twists once things are underway). I'm tired of everything needing to tie into a larger mythos or exploring Bond's backstory or being an origin story or any of that. I just want a Bond movie again that starts with M calling Bond into the office and saying "We've intercepted a cable regarding a major upcoming terrorist attack/financial crime/whatever, and need you to go investigate. Here's Q to explain what tools you'll have." and then we're off. Just give me a damn unabashedly pulpy spy action thriller again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leofric Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 12 hours ago, RedEyedGhost said: Bond Legacy - worked for Bourne, surely it would work with a series that had 8 times the history. Oh, wait... Just go 007: Into the Bondverse; and all the iterations of Bond are explained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martini Sigil Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 8 hours ago, Relic said: Atomic Blonde was a better movie than any of the recent Bonds have been. Agreed.... Atomic Blonde was a really under rated flick... that staircase fight scene was epic... and there has been a steady decline in the Bond films since Casino Royale... .... As for Bond, his MI-6 designation, et al... I just want to watch a movie where I don;t roll my eyes from bad writing.... we're used to cannon changing from film to film., so as for continuing the franchise with a new actor --which will happen regardless-- I (as a fan) just want a well-told story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Fez said: Just give me a damn unabashedly pulpy spy action thriller again. Ye. Honestly, the whole bond 'lore' conversation that happened a couple of pages ago isn't something I care about at all. I just want to be interested in this franchise again - I think casting a person of colour as Bond or a female Bond would be an excellent choice ( a female poc would be the dream), especially if they can get decent writers/ directors on board - the only reason I'm even remotely interested in the new one is because it has Fukunaga directing & Waller Bridge as a writer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 3 hours ago, mormont said: OK. Before we begin, though, what in your opinion are the unique properties of James Bond that do make a Bond movie a Bond movie? Because I'm pretty sure we're going to find that they're all either very surface level motifs, hopelessly outdated male wish-fulfilment or standard spy fodder done to death by other movies. Bond isn't some deep and unique character, really. He's resourceful, determined and possessed of dry humour. Other than that, he has been portrayed very differently by a series of different actors under different directors with different writers. I don't see why the ideas above, which do feature Bond, are inherently less interesting or distinctive than any of the previous Bond films. I think it’s an interesting question. I think that Bond movies are not just some old spy thriller. There are so many variations on the spy thriller out there and a lot of movies are simply doing it better. I’d much rather watch Tom Cruise in any of the Mission Impossible movies than the newest Bond movies. The Daniel Craig movies don’t feel very Bondish to me, outside of Casino Royale I haven’t much liked any of them. They just feel like a standard modern action romp with the Bond tag on top. Maybe because Craigs Bond is too grumpy, saggy and brutish, and doesn’t really exude charm. I see nothing wrong in James Bond being a ‘Male wish fulfilment’ figure, doesn’t seem to be a problem when it’s a woman. Yeah I prefer my Bonds to be cool, good looking and suave, I like them to have a bevvy of beautiful women hanging off their arms and for Bond to be actually seductive towards them. I have zero problem with that. And sure Bond is flawed, likes a drink and a gamble, but I don’t want him flawed to the point of pity like in most of the Craig movies. Bond is the guy every woman wants and every man wants to be, and that’s great! The character of Bond is what makes these movies stand out, any old movie can do actions scenes, fun locations and silly baddies, but you have to get the character of Bond right for it to really work. As you say there have been many different versions and some were much better than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljkeane Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Martini Sigil said: Agreed.... Atomic Blonde was a really under rated flick... that staircase fight scene was epic... and there has been a steady decline in the Bond films since Casino Royale... I thought Atomic Blonde was pretty disappointing. I thought it was going to be great and I get that you're not supposed to put too much thought into it but I thought the twist at the end was really, really stupid and it just annoyed me too much for me to like the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 hour ago, ljkeane said: I thought it was going to be great and I get that you're not supposed to put too much thought into it but I thought the twist at the end was really, really stupid and it just annoyed me too much for me to like the film. Yeah, it was doing fine until then but upon watching I immediately thought that the original ending had to have been that she was just working for the Soviets all along and the studio mandated a change, and was not at all surprised to find that (although I do knot know who changed it) that the original comic did indeed with her just being a baddie. Spy with Melissa McCarthy was better than Atomic Blonde... just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Ye. I adored Spy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrddin Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 12 hours ago, Fez said: Regardless of who plays Bond, and whether Bond is 007, and whether its all supposed to be the same Bond, and all of that; all I want is for Bond to go on a straightforward spy mission again (straightforward in the set-up I mean; there can be tons of plot twists once things are underway). I'm tired of everything needing to tie into a larger mythos or exploring Bond's backstory or being an origin story or any of that. I just want a Bond movie again that starts with M calling Bond into the office and saying "We've intercepted a cable regarding a major upcoming terrorist attack/financial crime/whatever, and need you to go investigate. Here's Q to explain what tools you'll have." and then we're off. Just give me a damn unabashedly pulpy spy action thriller again. Agreed. Not every Bond film needs to be escalated to destroying all of MI6 either. While I enjoyed the scope of that type story put Dench on the screen more (always a treat), and now Fiennes, I'd rather Bond be out in the field in the many "exotic" locals saving the world. Also, he doesn't need to be forced to go rogue every film either. Mission Impossible also overplays this card. He's Bond and goes his own way, but he's not Bourne being hunted by his "own" people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 15 hours ago, Heartofice said: I see nothing wrong in James Bond being a ‘Male wish fulfilment’ figure, doesn’t seem to be a problem when it’s a woman. Yeah I prefer my Bonds to be cool, good looking and suave, I like them to have a bevvy of beautiful women hanging off their arms and for Bond to be actually seductive towards them. I have zero problem with that. And sure Bond is flawed, likes a drink and a gamble, but I don’t want him flawed to the point of pity like in most of the Craig movies. Bond is the guy every woman wants and every man wants to be, and that’s great! Um... yeah. You missed the 'hopelessly outdated' bit, which was rather the point, but I think the rest of your answer explains why you missed that - you don't think this is hopelessly outdated, because you like it. 15 hours ago, Heartofice said: The character of Bond is what makes these movies stand out, any old movie can do actions scenes, fun locations and silly baddies, but you have to get the character of Bond right for it to really work. As you say there have been many different versions and some were much better than others. Yeah, but you're unable to tell me what the character of Bond actually is beyond 'flawed' and 'gets the babes'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 14 minutes ago, mormont said: Um... yeah. You missed the 'hopelessly outdated' bit, which was rather the point, but I think the rest of your answer explains why you missed that - you don't think this is hopelessly outdated, because you like it. No I actually don't so thats where we won't be agreeing any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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