White Ravens Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Arrows carved of weirwood. When Torrhen Stark marched south to do battle with Aegon the conqueror he stopped at the Trident with Aegon's larger army awaiting battle on the other side of the river. Aegon had already destroyed Harrenhal and burned the Field of Fire so Torrhen paused and sought council from his bannermen. His bastard brother Brandon Snow offered to cross the Trident that night, sneak into the Targaryen camp and assassinate the dragons while they slept. It has been suggested that he is the dark eyed youth that Bran witnessed carving three weirwood arrows in one of his visions. However, Torrhen did not accept Brandon's offer and the next day he bent the knee to Aegon the Conqueror and swore fealty. A Dance with Dragons - Bran III Quote A dark-eyed youth, pale and fierce, sliced three branches off the weirwood and shaped them into arrows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light a wight tonight Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 First, get a crew of White Walkers to cast their freezing spell on the dragon and then a crew of giants pound it to shreds with their clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Umber Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 15 hours ago, hitman47 said: How Death. Just like the Motörhead song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fattest Leech Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 59 minutes ago, Lost Umber said: Death. Just like the Motörhead song. You mean, killed by death, killed by death RIP Lemmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archangel Lucifer Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Maybe a Giant with giant bow https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/4/4b/Giant_with_his_bow.png/revision/latest?cb=20160730065102 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Northman Reborn Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 A lot of debate has surrounded the question of whether a greenseer can skinchange into a dragon. Personally, I think a sufficiently powerful greenseer can indeed do so, but truth is, that is not even necessary. In my view, even ordinary skinchangers can neutralize the dragons of an opposing army. How, you may ask? Simple. By attacking the dragon's rider, just like Varamyr attacked and tried to possess Thistle. The skinchanger need not succeed. He just needs to drive the dragonrider mad in the midst of the battle, causing him or her to lose all control of the dragon. Without the rider's direction, the dragon will either fly off aimlessly, or attack random soldiers on either side. Most likely it will just fly off after the nearest flock of sheep, or lose interest in the battle below it. Either way, losing its value completely for the side who owns the dragons. So even without greenseers, a First Man culture could have successfully countered the dragons in an opposing army. They just needed skinchangers. One person in a thousand, according to the Children. The Starks alone have 5 living skinchangers in their family. It is a pity that the abilitiy had been lost by Torhenn's time, or else Aegon could have been neutralized - and perhaps even driven mad enough to fall/jump off Balerion in mid-air. Three skinchangers of decent power would have been enough to send the Targaryens packing when they tried to invade the North. EDIT Just to add that once a dragon is riderless, it is far easier to kill, as evidenced in the Dance of the Dragons civil war, when mobs of commoners were able to kill some grounded dragons in King's Landing. With only dog-level intelligence, a riderless dragon can be killed with some planning. The key to neutralize a weaponized dragon, is to take out its rider. As indicated above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheThreeEyedCow Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I wonder how dragons cope with the cold? As in, would the others be able to use blizzards and such to prevent the dragon from being able to fly or is it in-fact the opposite: The cold can't touch them because of their fire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Northman Reborn Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, TheThreeEyedCow said: I wonder how dragons cope with the cold? As in, would the others be able to use blizzards and such to prevent the dragon from being able to fly or is it in-fact the opposite: The cold can't touch them because of their fire? They don't even cope well with rain, as per some reports from the Dance of the Dragons. I'm sure blizzards will ground them, and/or severely incapacitate them during flight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheThreeEyedCow Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 On 17/09/2017 at 8:27 PM, Free Northman Reborn said: They don't even cope well with rain, as per some reports from the Dance of the Dragons. I'm sure blizzards will ground them, and/or severely incapacitate them during flight. So if that's the case, those big scary dragon's won't be all that difficult to defeat for the 'Others'. And with winter already begun.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darken Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 a- Send faceless men to kill the dragonriders b- use wargs to try and control dragons might work too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMIFairy Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 On 17.09.2017 at 8:47 PM, Free Northman Reborn said: Simple. By attacking the dragon's rider, just like Varamyr attacked and tried to possess Thistle. The skinchanger need not succeed. He just needs to drive the dragonrider mad in the midst of the battle, causing him or her to lose all control of the dragon. Without the rider's direction, the dragon will either fly off aimlessly, or attack random soldiers on either side. Most likely it will just fly off after the nearest flock of sheep, or lose interest in the battle below it. Either way, losing its value completely for the side who owns the dragons. This. Best result of warging the RIDER would be forcing him or her to attack another dragon. And kill the other rider and lock the two dragons in combat. If one lacks skinchangers, then shoot bolts/arrows AT the rider. IMO the scorpions bagging only one dragon is due to them being Low Angle weapons. They had not received their High Angle trunnion modifications - thus giving them anti-flyer capability - before the Conquest. Budget cuts and all that ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Yourwetdream Aeryn Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Catapult and trebuchet could kill dragon. In cyvasse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukhasinov Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 It seems that if the dragon is large enough for a man to ride, than it is mostly invulnerable to physical violence. Wildfire might be an effective weapon against Danny`s dragons. Moondancer, who was a bit older than Danny`s dragons, was blinded by Sunfyre`s flames. Arrows will be largely ineffective against a dragon of fighting weight. Stormcloud was killed by arrows and a scorpion bolt in the neck, but he was very young, barely large enough to carry a 9 year old buy. Even if they pierce the dragon`s scales, they aren`t large enough to cause serious wounds. Even hitting the beast in the eye, unless it`s with enough force to carry through to the brain, will most likely just leave you with an angry one-eyed dragon to fight. The Gullet was probably the best example of draconic dominance in warfare. 90 war-galleys against 5 dragons. The Three Daughters fleet lost 32 ships and brought down ONE dragon. The storming of the Dragonpit seems to show the best meathods of bringing down dragons, if you don`t happen to have dragons of your own. Swarm them with sharp, heavy weapons while they are grounded and cornered. Also, remember that the dragons you see in the show are much too large for their age. Danny`s dragons are only 3 or 4 years old, but they already seem to be about as large as descriptions of Balerion, who was more than 200 when he died. (Large enough to swallow an aurochs whole) Sunfyre, who was maybe 25 years old, took 6 bites to devour Rhaenyra Targaryen. (Leaving the 7th bite, her lower leg, to the Stranger) Syrax was presumably larger when she was killed at the storming of the Dragonpit, and she was not chained or confined. It is also left deliberately vague as to exactly how she was killed. My theory is that when she landed in the streets, and was set upon by the mob, she could not find an open space large enough to spread her wings and take off. She may also have beet set upon from behind in an alley too narrow for her to turn around and defend herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukhasinov Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 17 hours ago, TMIFairy said: This. Best result of warging the RIDER would be forcing him or her to attack another dragon. And kill the other rider and lock the two dragons in combat. If one lacks skinchangers, then shoot bolts/arrows AT the rider. IMO the scorpions bagging only one dragon is due to them being Low Angle weapons. They had not received their High Angle trunnion modifications - thus giving them anti-flyer capability - before the Conquest. Budget cuts and all that ... Sounds like someone knows his way around howitzers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukhasinov Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 On 9/17/2017 at 3:27 PM, Free Northman Reborn said: They don't even cope well with rain, as per some reports from the Dance of the Dragons. I'm sure blizzards will ground them, and/or severely incapacitate them during flight. Meraxes and Rhaenys were grounded by the weather when she faced the Durandon army, but she was still a fearsome weapon on the ground. Instead of being an attack hellicopter in a medieval setting, she becomes a tank in a medieval setting. On 9/17/2017 at 2:47 PM, Free Northman Reborn said: So even without greenseers, a First Man culture could have successfully countered the dragons in an opposing army. They just needed skinchangers. One person in a thousand, according to the Children. The Starks alone have 5 living skinchangers in their family. It is a pity that the abilitiy had been lost by Torhenn's time, or else Aegon could have been neutralized - and perhaps even driven mad enough to fall/jump off Balerion in mid-air. You`re right. Maybe that`s why the Valyrians never expanded into Westeros. Maybe, in ancient times, a few freebooting dragonlords poked around Westeros and encountered an alien magic that could neutralize their dragon advantage, maybe even turn their dragons against them. Skinchangers evidently take pride in the animals that they are able to control, so dominating a dragon would likely be the ultimate prize. The Andal conquest would have largely neutralized the warg threat, but the Valyrians might not have known that. Maybe they just thought it best to stear clear of the wild western continent where their dragons mysteriously went mad beneath them. Wow! I just got a whole lot more to think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodor the Articulate Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 On 7/9/2016 at 8:58 AM, White Ravens said: Arrows carved of weirwood. When Torrhen Stark marched south to do battle with Aegon the conqueror he stopped at the Trident with Aegon's larger army awaiting battle on the other side of the river. Aegon had already destroyed Harrenhal and burned the Field of Fire so Torrhen paused and sought council from his bannermen. His bastard brother Brandon Snow offered to cross the Trident that night, sneak into the Targaryen camp and assassinate the dragons while they slept. It has been suggested that he is the dark eyed youth that Bran witnessed carving three weirwood arrows in one of his visions. However, Torrhen did not accept Brandon's offer and the next day he bent the knee to Aegon the Conqueror and swore fealty. Why weirwood, though? It's not like it's fire resistant or has magical auto-aim capabilities. All it takes is one breath from the dragon and your arrows are literally toast. Wouldn't you have a better chance with metallic weapons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Ravens Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, Hodor the Articulate said: Why weirwood, though? It's not like it's fire resistant or has magical auto-aim capabilities. All it takes is one breath from the dragon and your arrows are literally toast. Wouldn't you have a better chance with metallic weapons? Magic. Weirwood has many magical properties. Maybe weirwood is so powerfully imbued with Ice magic that it is deadly to dragons which are the manifestation of Fire magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodor the Articulate Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 3 hours ago, White Ravens said: Magic. Weirwood has many magical properties. Maybe weirwood is so powerfully imbued with Ice magic that it is deadly to dragons which are the manifestation of Fire magic. I thought about that, but I've never really associated weirwood with ice. The trees were all over Westeros, after all, until the Andals cut and burnt them down. It just seems silly to me, to come at dragons with something so flammable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMIFairy Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 6 hours ago, Dukhasinov said: Sounds like someone knows his way around howitzers I waste my life hanging around various military oriented boards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amris Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 On 8.7.2016 at 8:31 PM, Ser Greenseer said: [snip] Shoot and pray. I especially like this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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