SanSan next season?

[Masha]

On 7/18/2016 at 10:30 AM, TheKnightOfJests said:

I imagine that because we apparently just have "13" episodes left that any romance will be short. Not short as in everyone will die, just that they'll establish whatever they need to, and then go back to focusing on the main threats.

Brienne/Tormund will either be established and we'll just see the two together throughout episodes after that, and maybe a short scene with just the two of them, or it will be snuffed out, either by one dying, Brienne/Jaime, or Her just rejecting him.

Jon/Dany might happen, but if it does I think it would more be left up to the audience to decide rather than devoting long scenes to the two. I think Jon will offer marriage to Dany, and at the end we'll be left to wonder if it is a loving one or not. If it doesn't happen, I'd say it would be for a similar reason to Brienne and Tormund.

Sansa/Sandor is the only one I'm pretty sure will happen. Even then I think we'll just have an episode establishing that they had a thing in the Previously on Game of Thrones bit, and that the episode will have the two meeting and becoming a real thing. Then we'll just see them together here and there and have one or two little scenes between the two, like the Brienne/Tormund pairing if that happens.

There are other pairings, the first two and SanSan were just the three that came to mind. For the same reason as pairings being cut short, I also doubt that there will be many nude scenes next season beyond background characters.

Well, I am pretty sure that Sansa/Sandor will not happen. They never had a thing, Arya had more a thing to Sandor than Sansa. I can see Arya teaming up with Sandor again, or Sandor fighting for Sansa or Arya or having a CleganeBowl, but not romantic SanSan theory. You might convince me so in the books, but not in the show. Show had more indications for Lady Stoneheart happening than SanSan and we know LS will not happen now, unless Arya takes her place. You might convince me more of Tyrion getting back together with Sansa on the show then SanSan...

[sweetsunray]

On 17-7-2016 at 1:23 AM, CrypticWeirwood said:

Pretty sure he's a Clegane not a Stark.

That means he'd only be furthering the Clegane name not the Stark name if he creeped on Sansa so bad he went and made himself her third doomed husband.

Plus she's a real Lady now. He's not even a Ser. It's disgusting to imagine her marrying so far beneath her station. The high nobility DO NOT marry commoners. That would bring grave dishonor upon her family. 

There's no way Lady Sandra would so quickly forget all three of her mother's words: Family, Duty, Honor.

The North doesn't care about Sers. Clegane is nobility, not a commoner. Landless nobility of only a few generations back, but he's a noble warrior. That's like the second son of a Northern house of nobility.

What's disgusting about marrying a man she loves?

[sweetsunray]

6 hours ago, Newstar said:

If anything, this season has shown that when the writers want to prop a ship, they're NOT subtle. If you have to grasp at straws for SanSan hints to the point where you wind up claiming--among other things--that the fact that they both drink ale means that they're meant 2 B--it's safe to say that those hints are not there.

I find it very funny when it's the same people who complain at great length about how horribly unsubtle and loathsomely crude the show's writing is in all other respects who argue that the writers are so exquisitely subtle when it comes to hinting at SanSan that the clues are completely unrecognizable to all but the most discerning. Hilarious.

I guess you're alludnig to Bronn telling Pod Brienn and Jaime want to fuck. But before the reunion their was one 'Tarth Gaze' and one "Oh, lookie who's riding on his white horse" from a hilltop, but nothing else from Brienne before that.

Sansa and Sandor are separated for the moment, so you only have vague clues, just like Jon didn't get much except emote he was grieving over Ygritte. But I'm pretty sure that when both reunite for a scene, yu'll have someone there to tout the shipping horns with lots of fanfare, and make a comment on how they want to fuck or are in love. Maybe Arya does it by rolling her eyes at them and saying 'stupid looooooove, look at them swooning over one another'.   

[Le Cygne]

27 minutes ago, sweetsunray said:

The North doesn't care about Sers. Clegane is nobility, not a commoner. Landless nobility of only a few generations back, but he's a noble warrior. That's like the second son of a Northern house of nobility.

What's disgusting about marrying a man she loves?

Yeah, my guess from the hints, there will be at least one wolf puppy, maybe more.

[Le Cygne]

6 hours ago, sweetsunray said:

I guess you're alludnig to Bronn telling Pod Brienn and Jaime want to fuck. But before the reunion their was one 'Tarth Gaze' and one "Oh, lookie who's riding on his white horse" from a hilltop, but nothing else from Brienne before that.

Sansa and Sandor are separated for the moment, so you only have vague clues, just like Jon didn't get much except emote he was grieving over Ygritte. But I'm pretty sure that when both reunite for a scene, yu'll have someone there to tout the shipping horns with lots of fanfare, and make a comment on how they want to fuck or are in love. Maybe Arya does it by rolling her eyes at them and saying 'stupid looooooove, look at them swooning over one another'.   

Yep. You have it right. This is common to all shows and movies, and certainly used often for romances during separation periods, like they are doing here. They have said repeatedly they are doing it for this show. It's easy enough to spot. Visual parallels, transitions, callbacks... There was one with an overhead shot of Dany and then Jon this season. They suggest connections between characters and storylines.

Here are those Jon and Dany parallels...

[TheKnightOfJests]

5 hours ago, Masha said:

Well, I am pretty sure that Sansa/Sandor will not happen. They never had a thing, Arya had more a thing to Sandor than Sansa. I can see Arya teaming up with Sandor again, or Sandor fighting for Sansa or Arya or having a CleganeBowl, but not romantic SanSan theory. You might convince me so in the books, but not in the show. Show had more indications for Lady Stoneheart happening than SanSan and we know LS will not happen now, unless Arya takes her place. You might convince me more of Tyrion getting back together with Sansa on the show then SanSan...

I find this funny. My Girl friend wants Tyrion to get back with Sansa while I want Sansa and the Hound.

I think it can happen, but I think it would be a way different romance than others. No long makeout sessions, or a sex scene. Just a noble lady, and her loyal guardian who we know are true to each other, and don't need to be seeing them bang all the time to know it. Implying wouldn't be too much, nor an occasional kiss, but just a kiss. The rest we leave to our own imaginations.

[TheKnightOfJests]

Implying the banging

A nice bucket of chicken followed by a desert of lemon cakes.

Winterfell and chill...

[Le Cygne]

21 minutes ago, TheKnightOfJests said:

I think it can happen, but I think it would be a way different romance than others. No long makeout sessions, or a sex scene. Just a noble lady, and her loyal guardian who we know are true to each other, and don't need to be seeing them bang all the time to know it. Implying wouldn't be too much, nor an occasional kiss, but just a kiss. The rest we leave to our own imaginations.

Oh, there's going to be a sex scene... This is GRRM and Game of Thrones, they aren't going to pass this up. They just had him whip out his penis in the middle of a conversation about heading north to do good! They aren't shy...

Think of it this way, the gauntlet has been thrown with all of that fanfic. SanSan is super popular pairing, and they all know it. No good writer would pass up the chance to show his stuff, that he can write better than the amateurs.

(My other favorite pairing in this series is Jaime and Brienne, I bet they go there with them, too.)

[Le Cygne]

11 minutes ago, TheKnightOfJests said:

Implying the banging

A nice bucket of chicken followed by a desert of lemon cakes.

Winterfell and chill...

Nice!   They did establish them both as foodies!

[TheKnightOfJests]

35 minutes ago, Le Cygne said:

Oh, there's going to be a sex scene... This is GRRM and Game of Thrones, they aren't going to pass this up. They just had him whip out his penis in the middle of a conversation about heading north to do good! They aren't shy...

Think of it this way, the gauntlet has been thrown with all of that fanfic. SanSan is super popular pairing, and they all know it. No good writer would pass up the chance to show his stuff, that he can write better than the amateurs.

(My other favorite pairing in this series is Jaime and Brienne, I bet they go there with them, too.)

Yes but how much sex in the sex scene? The reason I say this is because there is a wondering of even though they are both legal, would it actually be good to show Sansa's actress, or Arya's actress nude on the show. People wonder about this because we've basically seen both of them go from young girls to grown women in the show, and while I wouldn't be bothered that much by a sex scene as I am the same age as Maise Williams and only a year younger than Sophie Turner, Someone like my 48 year old dad who also watches the show might find it odd to think it was sexy to see a girl who was 14 in the first season whip her tits out in season 7.

If there was a sex scene, I think it would be played down compared to the other ones.

[Le Cygne]

I never quite get that reasoning, I mean, everyone grows up. She's supposed to stay a kid forever?

They can have all the key parts covered up, however they want to do it, my point is, it's a part of their story that they will want to tell. Beauty and the Beast is about Beauty desiring the Beast and choosing him. Especially since they messed her story up so badly on the show, it would be nice for her to have a loving experience with a man. Give her some happiness. (Get her a dog, she'll be happier for it!)

Same with Arya, it would be nice for her to have a loving encounter with a man that doesn't involve killing him. Maybe Gendry will return, I always thought they might get together in the end.

[TheKnightOfJests]

She's not supposed to stay a kid forever it's just that seeing the same character is one thing, but the same character and actress is a little different. I think all the key parts would be covered up. That's what I meant by "Played Down"

[Meera of Tarth]

16 hours ago, Masha said:

Well, I am pretty sure that Sansa/Sandor will not happen. They never had a thing, Arya had more a thing to Sandor than Sansa. I can see Arya teaming up with Sandor again, or Sandor fighting for Sansa or Arya or having a CleganeBowl, but not romantic SanSan theory. You might convince me so in the books, but not in the show. Show had more indications for Lady Stoneheart happening than SanSan and we know LS will not happen now, unless Arya takes her place. You might convince me more of Tyrion getting back together with Sansa on the show then SanSan...

I completely agree that the hints of  LSH were huge......so huge that I am extremely disappointed because I really thought it would happen...

Back on topic....I personally didn't see much of SanSan connection until I read the forums and was told about them, but many people see that differently. In fact, I was convinced that there is a connection between them since the first episodes, established during all the show, although more subtle than in the books. Now, I definitely see that connection.

I suppose I didn't see much of them because I am not a big fan of Sansa (although I like reading her chapters) so I focused on other characters, and in the show,  something similar happened. But now it's different, SanSan is a thing in the show, in my opinion subtle because of the distance between them.

However, the showrunners' comments about them can't just be ignored and I definitely see that happening

And Sansa and Tyrion is definitely not going to happen. I haven't seen clues between them, two people who were forced to marry without love and who didn't want it to happen, although they kind of respected each other. Nothing more.

And Arya spent a lot of  time with Sandor, so it's normal they developed a relationship of mutual respect or even friendship; you can't do that with SanSan because they were separated very early. But they put some hints before and after that separation.

[Meera of Tarth]

10 hours ago, TheKnightOfJests said:

Yes but how much sex in the sex scene? The reason I say this is because there is a wondering of even though they are both legal, would it actually be good to show Sansa's actress, or Arya's actress nude on the show. People wonder about this because we've basically seen both of them go from young girls to grown women in the show, and while I wouldn't be bothered that much by a sex scene as I am the same age as Maise Williams and only a year younger than Sophie Turner, Someone like my 48 year old dad who also watches the show might find it odd to think it was sexy to see a girl who was 14 in the first season whip her tits out in season 7.

If there was a sex scene, I think it would be played down compared to the other ones.

We already had a sex scene with Sansa that instead of involving a situation between her and a man she loves and viceversa was a horrible rape scene, which is much more frightening than a loving sex scene. Don't want to talk about what happened in S5, really...but they weren't bothered to shot that even if it didn't happen in the books.

ShowSansa has grown up. I think she deserves to be happy, and I don't know what will happen, a kiss or something more, but I really would like to see her happy, finally.

[Masha]

12 hours ago, TheKnightOfJests said:

I find this funny. My Girl friend wants Tyrion to get back with Sansa while I want Sansa and the Hound.

I think it can happen, but I think it would be a way different romance than others. No long makeout sessions, or a sex scene. Just a noble lady, and her loyal guardian who we know are true to each other, and don't need to be seeing them bang all the time to know it. Implying wouldn't be too much, nor an occasional kiss, but just a kiss. The rest we leave to our own imaginations.

I actually not sure if any pairing with Sansa will happen. I would prefer with Sansa left with power and no romantic "has to happen" connections, because I hate that the board seem to assume either Sandor and Tyrion as ONLY options for her.

11 hours ago, Le Cygne said:

Oh, there's going to be a sex scene... This is GRRM and Game of Thrones, they aren't going to pass this up. They just had him whip out his penis in the middle of a conversation about heading north to do good! They aren't shy...

Think of it this way, the gauntlet has been thrown with all of that fanfic. SanSan is super popular pairing, and they all know it. No good writer would pass up the chance to show his stuff, that he can write better than the amateurs.

(My other favorite pairing in this series is Jaime and Brienne, I bet they go there with them, too.)

Frankly speaking other than this dedicated thread and maybe one another in book section, I don't see "super popular pairing" anywhere else. Compare it "Dany+Jon" or Jon+Sansa" pairing or previous "R+L=J speculations" is /was  everyone on the web. Its really is not super popular pairing other than on this thread. I saw more references that Sandor and Arya became a good buddy team than any references connecting Sansa to Sandor. There will be no crazy sex scene between the two because UGH! 

IF somehow D&D succumb to temptation of SanSan, at best you see Sandor rescuing Sansa again, perhaps by revealing LF role in her father's death, then maybe them kissing and then chastely holding hands.

[Meera of Tarth]

6 minutes ago, Masha said:

I actually not sure if any pairing with Sansa will happen. I would prefer with Sansa left with power and no romantic "has to happen" connections, because I hate that the board seem to assume either Sandor and Tyrion as ONLY options for her.

Frankly speaking other than this dedicated thread and maybe one another in book section, I don't see "super popular pairing" anywhere else. Compare it "Dany+Jon" or Jon+Sansa" pairing or previous "R+L=J speculations" is /was  everyone on the web. Its really is not super popular pairing other than on this thread. I saw more references that Sandor and Arya became a good buddy team than any references connecting Sansa to Sandor. There will be no crazy sex scene between the two because UGH!

IF somehow D&D succumb to temptation of SanSan, at best you see Sandor rescuing Sansa again, perhaps by revealing LF role in her father's death, then maybe them kissing and then chastely holding hands.

I didn't know Jon and Sansa were popular on the web.

[Masha]

1 minute ago, Meera of Tarth said:

I didn't know Jon and Sansa were popular on the web.

There are speculations articles here and there like whom Jon will marry or whom Sansa will marry, easier to find then any mention of SandorxSansa which is limited to this board's few dedicated threads and fanfics

 

[Ashes Of Westeros]

12 hours ago, TheKnightOfJests said:

I think it can happen, but I think it would be a way different romance than others. No long makeout sessions, or a sex scene. Just a noble lady, and her loyal guardian who we know are true to each other, and don't need to be seeing them bang all the time to know it. Implying wouldn't be too much, nor an occasional kiss, but just a kiss. The rest we leave to our own imaginations.

I can get behind this.

This kind of relationship could be the safest one. Everytime there were a loving and happy relationship with a lot of sex like Robb&Talissa, Jon&Ygritte or Daenerys&Drogo something terrible happened to them (because GoT). Besides that Sansa's child dream about knights and ladies would be fulfilled, because according Medieval knight's code a knight is supposed to serve a lady, not marrying her or smth.

But I like SanSan thing especially in the books where we see Sansa thinking back on their (un)kiss, what IMHO reflects her sexual awakening. In the show they just got apart early so we haven't seen any hints of their connection. But even these hints leave so much for our imagination

[sweetsunray]

54 minutes ago, Masha said:

Frankly speaking other than this dedicated thread and maybe one another in book section, I don't see "super popular pairing" anywhere else. Compare it "Dany+Jon" or Jon+Sansa" pairing or previous "R+L=J speculations" is /was  everyone on the web. Its really is not super popular pairing other than on this thread. I saw more references that Sandor and Arya became a good buddy team than any references connecting Sansa to Sandor. There will be no crazy sex scene between the two because UGH! 

IF somehow D&D succumb to temptation of SanSan, at best you see Sandor rescuing Sansa again, perhaps by revealing LF role in her father's death, then maybe them kissing and then chastely holding hands.

That's at the present - because they've been apart, and the audience assumes the early romantic set-ups have been completely abandoned. There are more Tormund-Brienne mentions out there now than Jaime-Brienne, though we know that the first was just thrown in there as a joke. To top Tormund's obvious ogling they had Bronn shout it from the rooftops that Jaime-Brienne is the thing.

Viewer shipping works by what's right there in front of them, not who was interested in someone 3 seasons back - like Sookie being Bill's, then Eric's then somebody else again, etc. But the GOT story doesn't work that way. It's a complete narrative.

Furthermore, SanSan fans have been 'hounded' in the past years, scared away, including on this forum, so they have been less vocal about it.

 

[Meera of Tarth]

1 hour ago, Masha said:

There are speculations articles here and there like whom Jon will marry or whom Sansa will marry, easier to find then any mention of SandorxSansa which is limited to this board's few dedicated threads and fanfics

 

 

16 minutes ago, sweetsunray said:

That's at the present - because they've been apart, and the audience assumes the early romantic set-ups have been completely abandoned. There are more Tormund-Brienne mentions out there now than Jaime-Brienne, though we know that the first was just thrown in there as a joke. To top Tormund's obvious ogling they had Bronn shout it from the rooftops that Jaime-Brienne is the thing.

Viewer shipping works by what's right there in front of them, not who was interested in someone 3 seasons back - like Sookie being Bill's, then Eric's then somebody else again, etc. But the GOT story doesn't work that way. It's a complete narrative.

Furthermore, SanSan fans have been 'hounded' in the past years, scared away, including on this forum, so they have been less vocal about it.

 

 

But the reason of these articles is because it's beenalong time since real pairings to ship, and Tormund-Brienne is a great example of that. The web went crazy.

I know about the articles and yes, some speculation (like this thread but also in other boards) but I also see much more of SanSan pages dedicated to them, it's not only here, the Internet is full of SanSan.