Masha Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 9 minutes ago, sweetsunray said: That's at the present - because they've been apart, and the audience assumes the early romantic set-ups have been completely abandoned. There are more Tormund-Brienne mentions out there now than Jaime-Brienne, though we know that the first was just thrown in there as a joke. To top Tormund's obvious ogling they had Bronn shout it from the rooftops that Jaime-Brienne is the thing. Viewer shipping works by what's right there in front of them, not who was interested in someone 3 seasons back - like Sookie being Bill's, then Eric's then somebody else again, etc. But the GOT story doesn't work that way. It's a complete narrative. Furthermore, SanSan fans have been 'hounded' in the past years, scared away, including on this forum, so they have been less vocal about it. My point was because of calling SanSan a " super popular pairing " and that D&D will have to do it because of all fanfics regarding it. I am not so sure its that popular because some people dislike it actively (like me), and now that you mention that were enough of others who dislike it to "hound" SanSan shippers? I dislike it because I don't think for at least the show Sansa is a good ending for her. (it is a happy ending for Sandor for sure but not for Sansa). I would prefer that rather that end up with LF, Sandor or Tyrion as her choices, Sansa would get her home and peace and be left unattached free to pursue her own happy ending (to be implied after the shows end) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meera of Tarth Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 30 minutes ago, Masha said: My point was because of calling SanSan a " super popular pairing " and that D&D will have to do it because of all fanfics regarding it. I am not so sure its that popular because some people dislike it actively (like me), and now that you mention that were enough of others who dislike it to "hound" SanSan shippers? I dislike it because I don't think for at least the show Sansa is a good ending for her. (it is a happy ending for Sandor for sure but not for Sansa). I would prefer that rather that end up with LF, Sandor or Tyrion as her choices, Sansa would get her home and peace and be left unattached free to pursue her own happy ending (to be implied after the shows end) SanSan is not the most popular ship, but it's very popular and JonSa has just appeared now because of the show (although the basis for that are almost nonexistent). The hints are there, in the show and in the books and you might not like them ( I can understand that) but normally people ship couples that have been developed and have something mutual apart from being just a random pairing, like JonSa. For instance, I for one don't actively ship SanSan because I have other OTP ships that would like to happen if I had to chose, but even if I didn't like them at all (which is not the case because I like them enough to understand their romance and want a happy ending for them) I'd understand that the hints are there and so, they are popular amongst show fans and, especially book ones. In fact, until I realized the hints were there, I didn't want Sansa to be paired with anyone, but when I began reading the books and read her chapter when he tells her what happened when he was a child and everything else, along with the forum's threads, I began to like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsunray Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 39 minutes ago, Masha said: I dislike it because I don't think for at least the show Sansa is a good ending for her. (it is a happy ending for Sandor for sure but not for Sansa). I would prefer that rather that end up with LF, Sandor or Tyrion as her choices, Sansa would get her home and peace and be left unattached free to pursue her own happy ending (to be implied after the shows end) I don't get this "Sandor is not a happy ending for Sansa" idea... She wants him, she likes him, and he ain't a Lannister patsy hacking children in half anymore. What is that "It's not 'good' for her"? I back SanSan because it's very clear that's what Sansa ultimately will want. One of the reasons I actually back it vocally is because the paternalistic idea that everybody else knows what's best for Sansa, except Sansa herself galls me. Her own happy ending is what she wants, and there's no doubt that Sandor is part of that. Saying "Sandor is not a happy ending for Sansa" and saying "free to pursue her own happy ending" is contradictionary. It's saying, "Sansa, I hope you're free to pursue your own happy ending, as long as it ain't the guy you want, because I think he's no good for you." Which is basically a return to her start of her story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masha Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 17 minutes ago, sweetsunray said: I don't get this "Sandor is not a happy ending for Sansa" idea... She wants him, she likes him, and he ain't a Lannister patsy hacking children in half anymore. What is that "It's not 'good' for her"? I back SanSan because it's very clear that's what Sansa ultimately will want. One of the reasons I actually back it vocally is because the paternalistic idea that everybody else knows what's best for Sansa, except Sansa herself galls me. Her own happy ending is what she wants, and there's no doubt that Sandor is part of that. Saying "Sandor is not a happy ending for Sansa" and saying "free to pursue her own happy ending" is contradictionary. It's saying, "Sansa, I hope you're free to pursue your own happy ending, as long as it ain't the guy you want, because I think he's no good for you." Which is basically a return to her start of her story. You can make the case for her liking him in the books, because of her fantasies which frankly speaking are not convincing for me because she romanticizes him as an escape out but not real, but in the show there were maybe 2 hints in 1st and 2nd season him caring for her, or and not from her side either because she was underage there. If it were to happen in the show it will come out of nowhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einheri Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Putting my 21st century Norwegian values aside, my take on the Sansa-Sandor ship is that if they do end up together, and still love each other at that point, then good for them. It's more than most Westerosi can ever hope for. With that being said, if I were a huge Sansa-Sandor shipper, I would definitely tune down my expectations by several notches before next season airs as it's about as likely as not that D&D will completely butcher this relationship. Like, instead of Beauty and the Beast, we get something... entirely different.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKnightOfJests Posted July 21, 2016 Author Share Posted July 21, 2016 42 minutes ago, Einheri said: Putting my 21st century Norwegian values aside, my take on the Sansa-Sandor ship is that if they do end up together, and still love each other at that point, then good for them. It's more than most Westerosi can ever hope for. With that being said, if I were a huge Sansa-Sandor shipper, I would definitely tune down my expectations by several notches before next season airs as it's about as likely as not that D&D will completely butcher this relationship. Like, instead of Beauty and the Beast, we get something... entirely different.. This sums up what I think. While SanSan is my favorite GOT pairing, I hope it happens, but I'm definitely not going to immediately praise it... I'm just going to hope and pray D&D don't screw it up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meera of Tarth Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Masha said: You can make the case for her liking him in the books, because of her fantasies which frankly speaking are not convincing for me because she romanticizes him as an escape out but not real, but in the show there were maybe 2 hints in 1st and 2nd season him caring for her, or and not from her side either because she was underage there. If it were to happen in the show it will come out of nowhere but in the show we haven't seen her wanting to be with Tyrion, LF or Jon at all.....then we could apply the same reasoning and say they are not suitable for her, either. what matters is what she wants, and she definitely doesn't want those other men for her. Tyrion: she is forced to that marriage, doesn't like him. She just acknowledges he is not a bad guy (btw ShowTyrion is super good) LF: he is creepily attracted to her. She isn't. He helped her with Joffrey's issue. That's all. Then ShowLF marries her to that sadist. She never likes his kisses. Jon: he is her brother; always half-brother. The first person from her WF family she sees in many years. She recognizes she should have treated him better. They have a couple of bond sibling moments. They have a couple of arguments as well, because they are different. Compare that to Sandor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masha Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 37 minutes ago, Meera of Tarth said: but in the show we haven't seen her wanting to be with Tyrion, LF or Jon at all.....then we could apply the same reasoning and say they are not suitable for her, either. what matters is what she wants, and she definitely doesn't want those other men for her. Tyrion: she is forced to that marriage, doesn't like him. She just acknowledges he is not a bad guy (btw ShowTyrion is super good) LF: he is creepily attracted to her. She isn't. He helped her with Joffrey's issue. That's all. Then ShowLF marries her to that sadist. She never likes his kisses. Jon: he is her brother; always half-brother. The first person from her WF family she sees in many years. She recognizes she should have treated him better. They have a couple of bond sibling moments. They have a couple of arguments as well, because they are different. Compare that to Sandor. Please enlighten me. And please stick to show moments only not her book related fantasies since they never happened on the show and whatever happened was in season 2 when she is 14 and he is 30-40. Show only its just as creepy as LF Basically, this point, I don't remember any Sansa specific reactions (from the show only) to Sandor other than 1) Fear of him initially 2) morbid curiosity about him when LF explained his and Mountain history 3) sheer relief at just being saved from rape 4) crying and being timidly surprised by him telling her not to provoke Joffrey any further 5) and confusion and terror during the battle of Blackwater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meera of Tarth Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I didn't mean creepy for the age difference between LF and Sansa but because he is a dangerous man, who betrayed her father and made her marry to a sociopath. She would be a good match for her only if she was a villain like him, and she clearly isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsunray Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Masha said: Show only its just as creepy as LF No, it's not. Sandor didn't obsess over her mother. Sandor didn't betray her father. Sandor didn't have her married to Tyrion. Sandor doesn't give whores to Joffrey to butcher. Sandor didn't deliver Ned's bones to Cat and simultaneously offers marriage. Sandor didn't ask Cersei to be given 13 year old Sansa who hasn't bled yet for a bride. Sandor doesn't tell her to mistrust her family. And Sandor hasn't married her off to a rapist. Sandor saved Sansa from rape. He helped her out to save Dontos from being drowned. He offered to take her away from KL. He hasn't even kissed her. He's not gong to do anything she doesn't want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 6 hours ago, Meera of Tarth said: But the reason of these articles is because it's beenalong time since real pairings to ship, and Tormund-Brienne is a great example of that. The web went crazy. I know about the articles and yes, some speculation (like this thread but also in other boards) but I also see much more of SanSan pages dedicated to them, it's not only here, the Internet is full of SanSan. Oh yeah, there was an HBO focus group and they told HBO that SanSan is one of the biggest ships out there. It's super popular, the showrunners know it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ashes Of Westeros Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 17 hours ago, Masha said: You can make the case for her liking him in the books, because of her fantasies which frankly speaking are not convincing for me because she romanticizes him as an escape out but not real, but in the show there were maybe 2 hints in 1st and 2nd season him caring for her, or and not from her side either because she was underage there. If it were to happen in the show it will come out of nowhere For the show it would be enough for them to meet and exchange meaningful looks, because the show is definitely simplified. Why do people ship Brienne and Tormund? Because Tormund ate bread seductively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masha Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 3 hours ago, Ashes Of Westeros said: For the show it would be enough for them to meet and exchange meaningful looks, because the show is definitely simplified. Why do people ship Brienne and Tormund? Because Tormund ate bread seductively Because its funny and one of few light moments in the otherwise gloomy show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meera of Tarth Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 It's funny? well, it's ok for him to try to seduce her, but he clearly isn't her type. The show failed to tell JB. well, stopped it in the middle of the process.That's why they ship them. Because there are no other ships. The ships will sail again next season I suppose. Tormund was a replacement of ser Hyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeer27 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 I'm more interested in what The Hound will do when he sees Brienne at Winterfell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 On 7/22/2016 at 6:51 AM, Ashes Of Westeros said: For the show it would be enough for them to meet and exchange meaningful looks, because the show is definitely simplified. Why do people ship Brienne and Tormund? Because Tormund ate bread seductively Exactly. And they have lots of looks to build on... Speaking of eating bread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evarei Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 The thought if Sansa with Sandor gives me the willies, even more so in the novels. It's just too problematic in every sense. I don't see the show writers devoting the limited time they have left to try to make it work. I'd like to understand the appeal of this ship but just cannot. If I'm confident about anything regarding season 7 it's Littlefinger and Cersei meeting their ends and SanSan definitely not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashes Of Westeros Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 15 hours ago, Le Cygne said: Exactly. And they have lots of looks to build on... Speaking of eating bread... Chicken and lemon cakes anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masha Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 On 7/22/2016 at 10:31 AM, Meera of Tarth said: It's funny? well, it's ok for him to try to seduce her, but he clearly isn't her type. The show failed to tell JB. well, stopped it in the middle of the process.That's why they ship them. Because there are no other ships. The ships will sail again next season I suppose. Tormund was a replacement of ser Hyle. It is amusing since he is trying to flirt with her, and she is having none of it. And he is doing it harmlessly (by making faces at her or eating meat meaningfully) as she either doesn't understand it or having stoically exasperated looks. On 7/24/2016 at 1:53 PM, Evarei said: The thought if Sansa with Sandor gives me the willies, even more so in the novels. It's just too problematic in every sense. I don't see the show writers devoting the limited time they have left to try to make it work. I'd like to understand the appeal of this ship but just cannot. If I'm confident about anything regarding season 7 it's Littlefinger and Cersei meeting their ends and SanSan definitely not happening. Same here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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