Crixus Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 This is fab stuff! Thanks, @BryndenBFish! This almost satiates my burning need for TWOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissdbyfire Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 1 hour ago, Ser Wun Wun said: The most recent translation on that Reddit thread says the head on the spear is Crowfood Umber. That makes sense. He was right outside Winterfell laying traps and stuff the last we saw him. Looks like the Freys managed to take him down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Northman Reborn Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Look, it was always puzzling to me how Crowfood could expect to sit outside Winterfell with 400 green recruits and expect to gleefully threaten the veteran army numbering around 8000 or more sitting inside the castle. What was his plan once they charged out the gates? The trenches could only have stopped a limited number of horsemen before his boys got slaughtered. Sounds to me almost like a deliberate suicide mission. As an aside, I wonder how old Hother feels about this, standing on the other side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crixus Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Yes. A suicide mission. So how many POVs confirmed now out of the 13? I think this means: Asha Sansa Arya Arianne Jon C Tyrion Dany Cersei Aeron Barristan Theon Prologue/Jenye Leaving Brienne, Jaime, Sam, Melisandre: we need someone at the Wall so I think M is a go, where Aeron can give us eyes on OT, along with either B or J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 3 hours ago, Crixus said: Yes. A suicide mission. So how many POVs confirmed now out of the 13? I think this means: Asha Sansa Arya Arianne Jon C Tyrion Dany Cersei Aeron Barristan Theon Prologue/Jenye Leaving Brienne, Jaime, Sam, Melisandre: we need someone at the Wall so I think M is a go, where Aeron can give us eyes on OT, along with either B or J. If the shows any indication Jon's coming back as well, unless GRRM decides to keep him dead just to spite the show, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crixus Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Of course! I knew I'd missed someone! In that case I'd swap Jon for Mel except we'd need a pre resurrection PoV which means we need at least 1 Mel chapter. Hmm. Could work if we ignore the prologue (dead in same chapter) pov as a one off and not part of the 13. But that isn't how we've done it for past books so I don't know... Should we take 13 as set in stone or an approximate anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 15 minutes ago, Crixus said: Of course! I knew I'd missed someone! In that case I'd swap Jon for Mel except we'd need a pre resurrection PoV which means we need at least 1 Mel chapter. Hmm. Could work if we ignore the prologue (dead in same chapter) pov as a one off and not part of the 13. But that isn't how we've done it for past books so I don't know... Should we take 13 as set in stone or an approximate anyway? I wouldn't, seems like there's just too many characters. Heck I'm shocked Asha is still a POV, now that she's back with Theon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Scribe of Naath Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I really don't think we can take 13 as the final number. It was something approximate GRRM said off the top of his head when asked, and that too a few years ago. There's just way too many characters and stories for that. However, the confirmation of Asha as a POV is big news. So the theory that Asha would be sacrificed in place of Theon in front of the heart tree can be laid to rest. So unless Theon himself is sacrificed (unlikely), we're gonna definitely see Bran working some Old Gods' magic at that tree On the other hand, the latest translation on reddit says that the Freys are brandishing Mors Umber's head on a spear to demoralize the enemy forces. It's really weird that Hother Umber would be cool with his brother's head being brandished around like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 34 minutes ago, Little Scribe of Naath said: I really don't think we can take 13 as the final number. It was something approximate GRRM said off the top of his head when asked, and that too a few years ago. There's just way too many characters and stories for that. However, the confirmation of Asha as a POV is big news. So the theory that Asha would be sacrificed in place of Theon in front of the heart tree can be laid to rest. So unless Theon himself is sacrificed (unlikely), we're gonna definitely see Bran working some Old Gods' magic at that tree On the other hand, the latest translation on reddit says that the Freys are brandishing Mors Umber's head on a spear to demoralize the enemy forces. It's really weird that Hother Umber would be cool with his brother's head being brandished around like that. Just gives Manderly more allies, when you really think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of the North Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 6 minutes ago, sifth said: Just gives Manderly more allies, when you really think about it. Yep. Maybe ol' Hother won't be cool with with his brother Mors' treatment in the end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 8 hours ago, Little Scribe of Naath said: On the other hand, the latest translation on reddit says that the Freys are brandishing Mors Umber's head on a spear to demoralize the enemy forces. It's really weird that Hother Umber would be cool with his brother's head being brandished around like that. The Freys have always been so fecking stupid. Yes let's brandish an Umber's head while his brother is at our back. They are in the North surrounded and outnumbered by enemies and they still do shit like this? Really? They deserve to all die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Scribe of Naath Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 51 minutes ago, The Wolves said: The Freys have always been so fecking stupid. Yes let's brandish an Umber's head while his brother is at our back. They are in the North surrounded and outnumbered by enemies and they still do shit like this? Really? They deserve to all die. Their days are numbered, to be sure. I hope Stannis rewards their stupidity justly. They lost their best commander anyway. 9 hours ago, sifth said: Just gives Manderly more allies, when you really think about it. Just so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 21 hours ago, AlienCarnivore said: There are four members left, one of them being Urswyck, who was Vargo Hoat's lieutenant, Zollo, the person who cut off Jaime's hand, and Three Toes and Togg Joth, who haven't done anything. But whether or not most of them are dead or alive is irrelevant; George said they would be back. Oh, they'll be back. As Jaime told them when he left Harrenhal, a Lannister always pays his debts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Flandrensis Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Thanks so much for this!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelenaExMachina Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 22 hours ago, Crixus said: Yes. A suicide mission. So how many POVs confirmed now out of the 13? I think this means: Asha Sansa Arya Arianne Jon C Tyrion Dany Cersei Aeron Barristan Theon Prologue/Jenye Leaving Brienne, Jaime, Sam, Melisandre: we need someone at the Wall so I think M is a go, where Aeron can give us eyes on OT, along with either B or J. Areo, is also a likely POV. I know he isn't popular, but I don't think we'll lose eyes on Doran. Besides which he is currently chasing Darkstar, which I don't think will just be dropped. Davos another likely POV Iirc Bran also has a confirmed chapter that one of his editors have read? I don't think 13 was necessarily a concrete answer anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryndenBFish Posted July 16, 2016 Author Share Posted July 16, 2016 GRRM said that Areo Hotah would return as a POV character in TWOW. Bran had a chapter cut from ADWD that was originally going to be the chapter after Jon's final ADWD chapter, but GRRM cut it at the last minute apparently. I think it's likely it will be in TWOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Wun Wun Posted July 17, 2016 Share Posted July 17, 2016 Quote ADWD; Jon IV The Giantslayer disagreed. “You would make His Grace look weak. I say, show our strength. Burn Last Hearth to the ground and ride to war with Crowfood’s head mounted on a spear, as a lesson to the next lord who presumes to offer half his homage.” Har. After 5 years of analysis, I thought the bone had been picked clean regarding foreshadowing in ADWD. I wonder what else will prove to be foreshadowing once Winds is out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 27 minutes ago, Ser Wun Wun said: Har. After 5 years of analysis, I thought the bone had been picked clean regarding foreshadowing in ADWD. I wonder what else will prove to be foreshadowing once Winds is out. Har indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Wun Wun Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 The Crowfood's head on a spear part was foreshadowing, so now I'm wondering if the 'Burn Last Hearth to the ground' part is as well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhail Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Wow O_o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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