Sophelia Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I'm hearing that the TV station the military were broadcasting on has gone off. They were asking people to stay indoors, but Erdogan has asked people to go out on the streets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 TRT the state broadcaster that is under the military control has gone off air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, Fez said: Its important that both sides get their message out in a coup. If either goes silent, people will assume that side lost. There will be competing messages for a while. That said, the fact that Erdogan was able to get his message on to at least one of the TV stations in Turkey suggests that the military doesn't have as complete control as it looked like they did. Once they were broadcasting on the TV stations, I assumed it was over. But I guess they don't have all of them yet. Using facetime to broadcast doesn't suggest control of the station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fallen Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 12 minutes ago, polishgenius said: The problem is that Turkish democracy repeatedly tends to trend towards the fundamentalist eventually. I mean, Erdogan was democratically elected. I suspect in the long term it will reset to the more secular and open, if only because of the threat of the military, but if it's going to last there's going to have to be a longer-term plan and I doubt they have one. Didn't Erdogan use strong-arm tactics to win the last election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 12 minutes ago, Werthead said: Erdogan making a statement by Facetime. Someone holding a mobile phone up in the news studio. Right. So in other words, the military do not have him as a prisoner, yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 3 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said: Right. So in other words, the military do not have him as a prisoner, yet. He's communicating via facetime. If thats the best he can do he's on the run, at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fallen Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 From Vice news: Another video showed what appeared to be a military helicopter firing over Istanbul, reportedly on the headquarters of Turkey's National Intelligence Organization. https://news.vice.com/article/turkey-military-coup-attempt-istanbul-ankara?utm_source=vicenewstwitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted July 15, 2016 Author Share Posted July 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: He's communicating via facetime. If thats the best he can do he's on the run, at best. No, it just means he doesn't have access to a television camera right now. So he clearly doesn't have control of the situation, but he doesn't mean he's lost and on the run either. The fact that right now he's the one broadcasting is a pretty good sign for him, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 11 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Using facetime to broadcast doesn't suggest control of the station. Sure, but the notion that someone would have ability to broadcast a message when they're on vacation within minutes of action happening is a pretty tall order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 AFP reported there was a violent explosion in Ankara, in addition to reports of gunfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, Fez said: No, it just means he doesn't have access to a television camera right now. So he clearly doesn't have control of the situation, but he doesn't mean he's lost and on the run either. The fact that right now he's the one broadcasting is a pretty good sign for him, IMO. If this was 20 years ago, he would not be broadcasting anything. A bit harder to stop a message getting out with modern technology everywhere. All this means is that he has not been taken yet, so there is still a chance for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I was under the impression that whilst he has been pretty brutal with critics, Erdogan is pretty popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophelia Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, The BlackBear said: AFP reported there was a violent explosion in Ankara, in addition to reports of gunfire. At/near the state TV building, they are saying, though nobody is quite definite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltaran Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 44 minutes ago, Hoppy Hour said: Or Boris Johnson for that matter. Boris is part Turkish*, he probably knows more about the region than you think *his great-grandfather was a minister in the government of the Ottoman Empire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philokles Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 It would be disastrous for Erdoğan if he was unable to communicate even via Facetime, but unlikely that he would have any other means to do so. So it does not tell us a huge deal beyond his continued freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophelia Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 1 minute ago, Horse of Kent said: It would be disastrous for Erdoğan if he was unable to communicate even via Facetime, but unlikely that he would have any other means to do so. So it does not tell us a huge deal beyond his continued freedom. Apparently he is on live TV now, as in, cameras and sound people must be with him now (not necessarily in a studio). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 50 minutes ago, Hoppy Hour said: Or Boris Johnson for that matter. Johnson's great-grandfather was a Turkish politician who was murdered during a previous military coup, so I imagine he does have a few thoughts on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophelia Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Hearing rumours that Istanbul may be back under government control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaircat Meow Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, Leap said: - Trump's tweet. So, not 100% sure on what he's saying here... doubtful that he's bragging about the inevitable military coup after he becomes president, so perhaps threatening Clinton or Obama with a coup? What? Does he realise he's a legitimate contender in the democratic election? Not that I expected it to make sense. This is actually a joke yea? Trump hasn't tweeted for seven hours according to his feed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 The BBC has a live feed from one of the bridges. A large number of civilians were crossing in defiance of the military and the military is apparently firing over their heads. The people are taking cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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