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5 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said:

Calling out a handful of people, if that many, is hardly saying that the board is 'full of people' who are shitbags.  There are thousands here.  Four or five is barely a rounding error.  


And calling you out for being a narcissistic bully who can't handle even the slightest disagreement is hardly saying that we should be nice to nazis, murderers and child rapists.

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Courthouse video

NOTE:  this is video from the hallway outside the courtroom where the shooting occurred, and from after the incident.  So, not graphic, but also not particularly helpful.  

Really its only interesting because of what it isn't, namely, actual video of the circumstances of the shooting.  Which I'm starting to doubt even exists.  

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Waiting to see if "camera malfunction" excuse it used.

So it appears that the murderer was actually called in to assist his partner.  Yeah, totally justified killing.:rolleyes:

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10 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said:

I've not been nice to nazis, rapists, child murderers or their supporters.  You say that's bullying. 



No, what I say is bullying is you deciding that people who very obviously aren't nazis, rapists, child murderers or their supporters are those things because they disagreed with you on minor points of how things should be approached or how clear some evidence is and then lie and try to gaslight the whole board into believing they are those things by pretending they said things they never said and responding to arguments they never made.

I used to try to ignore you, but that proved impossible because there were so many topics I couldn't engage in because, oh look, you've made them about yourself again.

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42 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said:

Yes, and in anticipation of your inevitable progression from asking a woman who tells you that you're wrong if she's crazy, the answer to 'are you a bitch, cunt, nasty woman, etc" is going to be yes as well.  

Go away and do your pig shit where you celebrate pigs murdering children.

Cuz we all know women can't be crazy only men can, any person who calls any woman crazy for any reason is immediately a misogynist. (This is what you are doing to everyone else. Yes, you are bully.)

Dr. P, look I like you, you frustrate the hell out of me, but some of your arguments in the past have actually if not turned me around on some issues, at least opened my eyes (more). But salient points just don't balance out the bullying and name calling. Since Thursday you've just been going off the deep end. You can not give a damn about me or anyone else on this board, fine, because in the grand scheme of things you and anyone else can get by without it, but you also can take a place that's been a positive for many people and stop sabotaging it and still (and more effectively) get your arguments and opinions to resonate.

 

Mods: I am very sorry for going off topic. I am trying to be as polite as I can to a member who I really do think has potential to be a good thing here and if at all positive my message gets across than maybe so many other topics won't be FUBAR so bad you have to keep stepping in (which you've been right to do).

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27 minutes ago, polishgenius said:

"But polish, this board is entirely full of people who don't agree with me precisely on every single subject and those people can only possibly be supporting rape and murder because the world isn't complicated and I can totally handle being wrong, honest!"

It's not that we place an especially high value on your opinion (though as I said the other day, I admire, in principle at least, your moral stands, and agree with many of them). It's that you quite deliberately make as many topics as possible about attacking anyone who doesn't have the exact same one as you, so it becomes impossible to avoid reacting to it.

If you find it impossible to avoid my opinion, that's on you.  Many of you obviously place a very high value on my opinion (which is ridiculous, btw, as I very rarely make any in depth analysis of things these days and instead just jump in with very generic and seemingly non-controversial opinions like "transphobia bad, child murderers aren't good, nazis are shit and so on sprinkled with a bit of 'hey if you don't want to be bad then don't do that thing').  I post in dozens of threads, a small handful have turned into these dragged out things.  Two times in as many days has been your choice and you continued even after I gave you outs and said I didn't want to play your game.  

There's nothing mysterious about my opinions.  I have a pretty consistent opinion on things.  It's like you and a handful of others deliberately decide "hey, I totally know pepper hates child murderers and she's probably going to mention it but I just can't stand the idea of not responding to her and I'm going to make it seem like my choice is really her fault."

 

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2 minutes ago, drawkcabi said:

Cuz we all know women can't be crazy only men can, any person who calls any woman crazy for any reason is immediately a misogynist. (This is what you are doing to everyone else. Yes, you are bully.)

Dr. P, look I like you, you frustrate the hell out of me, but some of your arguments in the past have actually if not turned me around on some issues, at least opened my eyes (more). But salient points just don't balance out the bullying and name calling. Since Thursday you've just been going off the deep end. You can not give a damn about me or anyone else on this board, fine, because in the grand scheme of things you and anyone else can get by without it, but you also can take a place that's been a positive for many people and stop sabotaging it and still (and more effectively) get your arguments and opinions to resonate.

 

Mods: I am very sorry for going off topic. I am trying to be as polite as I can to a member who I really do think has potential to be a good thing here and if at all positive my message gets across than maybe so many other topics won't be FUBAR so bad you have to keep stepping in (which you've been right to do).

Sure, women can be crazy.  The thing is that it's a pretty common tactic by men to resort to calling a woman crazy when that woman says they're wrong (or irrational, which the fat coward did, or hysterical or bitch or cunt).

This place has been a positive for me, too.  I've spent years here, first discussing a book series I liked and then moving to other topics when that book series failed.  I find the analysis of things from about a dozen people to be very helpful and informative.  I like seeing what things people are watching and talking about tv shows.  I don't contribute anything of particular value.  Yet sometimes I'll say something completely uncontroversial and it will set off a chain reaction.  Like two days ago where I said supporting known rapists is wrong, or after that where I slammed transphobia and a comedian who perpetuated it.  I had zero reason to believe that there would be such a bizarre response to these seemingly uncontroversial things, just like I had zero reason to believe that anger at child murderers would be a problem.  I didn't even expect a response to these things, because it's just random comments. 

The issue as I see it as that many of you seem to be friends off the forum and that seems to blind some of you when someone you know is confronted by someone who disagrees with them.  It's like a knee jerk reaction and then you'll follow me around and try to fight with me about every little thing I say, especially the non-controversial things, perhaps because you think it's noble to stick up for your friends.  This is my guess.  After a few days it wears off and then you move on.  

As for the topic, it becomes even more infuriating with each passing day.  It's clear that unarmed people, especially children, shouldn't be murdered and even clearer that police need better training.  Everyone, even the one who has excused this particular murder, seems to agree with that.  

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7 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said:

even the one who has excused this particular murder

Who has done that?

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18 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said:

 I very rarely make any in depth analysis of things these days and instead just jump in with very generic and seemingly non-controversial opinions like "transphobia bad, child murderers aren't good, nazis are shit and so on sprinkled with a bit of 'hey if you don't want to be bad then don't do that thing'). 

 

The problem is you seem to think you get to define what those things are, you don't.  

 

10 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said:

 

The issue as I see it as that many of you seem to be friends off the forum and that seems to blind some of you when someone you know is confronted by someone who disagrees with them. 

None of the people in this thread are my IRL friends, and the ones who are my IRL friends are so because they are the sort who would 'call bullshit' when they disagree with me.

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2 hours ago, Dr. Pepper said:

Oh look, another account that confirms the pig attacked first and for some reason the child isn't allowed to defend himself. But we can't believe the account because pigs are the only ones who matter.

As far as ruling this justified, this is zero surprise.  Murderous cops being brought to justice is the exception, not the rule.

Who here has said that only police accounts of what happened matter?

Edited by Ser Scot A Ellison

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The personal insults against BFC in this thread are disgraceful, and the poster concerned should be ashamed imho.

As a Brit, the eagerness some US cops seem to have for blasting away is outrageous to me.

that said, in this case it may have been justified if the cop was being attacked and on the ground.  Without further evidence either way, I'm perplexed why some posters are so eager to shout murder.  I hope there's video evidence from inside the courtroom.

Given the close-quarters nature of the fight, cross-contamination would make pepper spray as much a liability as help, as it could take out the cop; potentially it could be even worse as some people are unaffected.

Tazers. If someone is making physical contact with you, shooting them with electricity is not going to end well for you.

US police really need to learn communication skills. I spent 8 years as a volunteer cop in Glasgow, working occasional Saturday nights in the city centre and mostly in some of the worst southside areas, and I never had to draw a baton or CS spray in anger.

 

 

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This seems to be a terrible situation, and terribly sad.  But calling it murder when we have so few facts only shows Dr Pepper's own biases.  

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