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11 hours ago, jorywea said:

That article doesn t really make sense... yhe person who wrote it is too much of a jaime fan...

Why would ls take jaime prisioner to the quiet isles and kill all septons? And then the gang would go to the vale ?

It doesn t make sense. Jaime should either die or be sent to the wall, I just don t know if he will be used for killing freys or rescuing hostages before that

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Now this is interesting, GRRM:

And Jon Snow, too, is drained by the experience of coming back from the dead on the show.

Right. And poor Beric Dondarrion, who was set up as the foreshadowing of all this, every time he’s a little less Beric. His memories are fading, he’s got all these scars, he’s becoming more and more physically hideous, because he’s not a living human being anymore. His heart isn’t beating, his blood isn’t flowing in his veins, he’s a wight, but a wight animated by fire instead of by ice, now we’re getting back to the whole fire and ice thing.

http://time.com/4791258/game-of-thrones-george-r-r-martin-interview/

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17 minutes ago, Le Cygne said:

Now this is interesting, GRRM:

And Jon Snow, too, is drained by the experience of coming back from the dead on the show.

Right. And poor Beric Dondarrion, who was set up as the foreshadowing of all this, every time he’s a little less Beric. His memories are fading, he’s got all these scars, he’s becoming more and more physically hideous, because he’s not a living human being anymore. His heart isn’t beating, his blood isn’t flowing in his veins, he’s a wight, but a wight animated by fire instead of by ice, now we’re getting back to the whole fire and ice thing.

http://time.com/4791258/game-of-thrones-george-r-r-martin-interview/

Thank you for sharing the interview. It fits nicely with some theories I had. :-D

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A few more nuggets from the interview that struck me:

The knowledge that these are two different roads must grant a degree of comfort in writing — that you’re still able to be your own writer.

I try to be! I can’t be influenced by the show. The show is great, but a television show and a novel are different things. The television show has real-world concerns that I don’t have. There’s a very big budget, it’s one of the largest budgets in television, but it’s still a budget, they can’t just keep adding characters. I can! They have actors’ contracts to consider, they have shooting schedules to consider, locations, all of that real-world stuff that I don’t really have to worry about. [underlined bolding is added by me]

More characters! More locations! The books have so much yet to be revealed, makes me really happy because more than ever I think the books will end quite differently than the show.

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On a much more sobering note, the various press articles are really emphasizing the vengeance theme of the season in a really positive way, massive cheers. How again is this supposed to be connected to GRRM, his books and his themes? Is the show really going all out with tits dragons and torture porn, plus orgasmic battles and mass casualties? How on earth is 'war is bad' going to be any sort of endgame theme?

The glorious thrill of genocide, Blood and Soil fascism, that seems to be the core message of the show.

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33 minutes ago, SerProle said:

On a much more sobering note, the various press articles are really emphasizing the vengeance theme of the season in a really positive way, massive cheers. How again is this supposed to be connected to GRRM, his books and his themes? Is the show really going all out with tits dragons and torture porn, plus orgasmic battles and mass casualties? How on earth is 'war is bad' going to be any sort of endgame theme?

The glorious thrill of genocide, Blood and Soil fascism, that seems to be the core message of the show.

:bawl:

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This is interesting. Its data on character screen time. I guess we know D&D's favorite actors. And its really hard to imagine how the rest could catch up through plotlines these last two seasons. Seems like decent evidence about what the focus will be for the endgame of the show.

https://i.redd.it/zqwy34a7id9z.png

I wonder what a side by side graph would look like comparing character screen time with book character page time.

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17 minutes ago, SerProle said:

This is interesting. Its data on who character screen time. I guess we know D&D's favorite actors. And its really hard to imagine how the rest could catch up through plotlines these last two seasons. Seems like decent evidence about what the focus will be for the endgame of the show.

https://i.redd.it/zqwy34a7id9z.png

I wonder what a side by side graph would look like comparing character screen time with book character page time.

I don t really believe in that graph. Last season jon wasn t the actor with more acting time by such a huge margin...

Anyhow, tyrion, jon and danny have between 30 to 40 chapters per book which is a little less than half... what is surprising to me is that even though the last 3 seasons of tyrion were awful he still has so much screen time

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1 minute ago, divica said:

I don t really believe in that graph. Last season jon wasn t the actor with more acting time by such a huge margin...

Anyhow, tyrion, jon and danny have between 30 to 40 chapters per book which is a little less than half... what is surprising to me is that even though the last 3 seasons of tyrion were awful he still has so much screen time

I'm not sure of the methodology, but certainly plenty of talented geek types love to crunch GoT numbers, so it could be legit.

Remember, the evidence suggests D&D make show choices not based on characters or plot so much as they do favorite actors and their 'abilities'. Tyrion got really bad when D&D were writing him in later seasons, but since they love Peter (he's Lincoln, remember?) he is bound to be on screen for heaps of minutes. Although he seems to be dialing it in lately, I can't help thinking he absolutely detests having to spout the 'wit' being given him in the scripts.

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27 minutes ago, SerProle said:

This is interesting. Its data on who character screen time. I guess we know D&D's favorite actors. And its really hard to imagine how the rest could catch up through plotlines these last two seasons. Seems like decent evidence about what the focus will be for the endgame of the show.

https://i.redd.it/zqwy34a7id9z.png

I wonder what a side by side graph would look like comparing character screen time with book character page time.

Interesting and very visual! There is another one here that I've used a lot in debates to demonstrate who are the "Super Four"

http://www.imdb.com/list/ls076752033/

You can also see the ratings of the epiosdes of each seasons here:

http://graphtv.kevinformatics.com/tt0944947

the last seasons are more inconsistent.

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11 minutes ago, Meera of Tarth said:

Interesting and very visual! There is another one here that I've used a lot in debates to demonstrate who are the "Super Four"

http://www.imdb.com/list/ls076752033/

You can also see the ratings of the epiosdes of each seasons here:

http://graphtv.kevinformatics.com/tt0944947

the last seasons are more inconsistent.

A big reason I don't trust ratings about a series, on IMDB or anywhere, is it doesn't have a way of showing who drops out of watching and rating. I suspect the audience watching season 1 is not the same audience watching season 6. Probably quite a few defectors as well as converts. I wonder if there are people who have been trying to capture this kind of data from the beginning, for some interesting analysis to write up when its all over.

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18 minutes ago, SerProle said:

I'm not sure of the methodology, but certainly plenty of talented geek types love to crunch GoT numbers, so it could be legit.

Remember, the evidence suggests D&D make show choices not based on characters or plot so much as they do favorite actors and their 'abilities'. Tyrion got really bad when D&D were writing him in later seasons, but since they love Peter (he's Lincoln, remember?) he is bound to be on screen for heaps of minutes. Although he seems to be dialing it in lately, I can't help thinking he absolutely detests having to spout the 'wit' being given him in the scripts.

Since season 4 D&D lost what makes tyrion interesting... and when they tried in seadon 6 to make him interesting again they made him fail completly...

I can t understand how jon was dead 2 eps and had ep 9 divided with lots of characters and even then has more 20 min than everybody else.

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9 minutes ago, SerProle said:

A big reason I don't trust ratings about a series, on IMDB or anywhere, is it doesn't have a way of showing who drops out of watching and rating. I suspect the audience watching season 1 is not the same audience watching season 6. Probably quite a few defectors as well as converts. I wonder if there are people who have been trying to capture this kind of data from the beginning, for some interesting analysis to write up when its all over.

Oh yes, that's also true, that's why you get ratings like 9.9  for WOW episode. But it also shows why they are more inconsistent.

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1 hour ago, SerProle said:

This is interesting. Its data on character screen time. I guess we know D&D's favorite actors. And its really hard to imagine how the rest could catch up through plotlines these last two seasons. Seems like decent evidence about what the focus will be for the endgame of the show.

https://i.redd.it/zqwy34a7id9z.png

I wonder what a side by side graph would look like comparing character screen time with book character page time.

That graph has too be wrong, I'm pretty sure Olly had more screen time.

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Hi, I haven't caught up on this topic yet, but I thought I'd drop in to say how relaxing and enjoyable this thread is and how much more excited I am by this and reading comments here and similar than in watching that ridiculous mess of a show. Thank you people

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4 hours ago, SerProle said:

On a much more sobering note, the various press articles are really emphasizing the vengeance theme of the season in a really positive way, massive cheers. How again is this supposed to be connected to GRRM, his books and his themes? Is the show really going all out with tits dragons and torture porn, plus orgasmic battles and mass casualties? How on earth is 'war is bad' going to be any sort of endgame theme?

The glorious thrill of genocide, Blood and Soil fascism, that seems to be the core message of the show.

I thought vengeance was the theme of the last season... and the one before that... Or maybe it was violence! Wonderful, caring violence! 

Somehow I get the impression that the core message of the books is completely lost on the show runners... Hmm... The point has gone sailing over their heads.

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I agree that vengeance seemed to be very much increasingly the theme of the last two seasons. I hate it, considering that for the most part it makes the person carrying out the vengeance near as bad as or worse than the people their getting revenge on, along the lines of "two wrongs don't make a right". In the books Ellaria gives a great speech about how pointless vengeance and violence are, while on the TV show she's so hellbent on vengeance that she kills people who have nothing to do with the crime (Myrcella) and are in fact the family of the people she's supposed to be avenging! (Hota, Doran, Tystane)

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1 hour ago, CaptainTheo said:

I agree that vengeance seemed to be very much increasingly the theme of the last two seasons. I hate it, considering that for the most part it makes the person carrying out the vengeance near as bad as or worse than the people their getting revenge on, along the lines of "two wrongs don't make a right". In the books Ellaria gives a great speech about how pointless vengeance and violence are, while on the TV show she's so hellbent on vengeance that she kills people who have nothing to do with the crime (Myrcella) and are in fact the family of the people she's supposed to be avenging! (Hota, Doran, Tystane)

We needed vengence against the boltons and freys. The martels and lannisters also makes sense, but after tywin death it should focus on the mountain and whoever supports him. The rest is meh

But you are mixing vengenge with obecessive vengence

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2 hours ago, CaptainTheo said:

I agree that vengeance seemed to be very much increasingly the theme of the last two seasons. I hate it, considering that for the most part it makes the person carrying out the vengeance near as bad as or worse than the people their getting revenge on, along the lines of "two wrongs don't make a right". In the books Ellaria gives a great speech about how pointless vengeance and violence are, while on the TV show she's so hellbent on vengeance that she kills people who have nothing to do with the crime (Myrcella) and are in fact the family of the people she's supposed to be avenging! (Hota, Doran, Tystane)

Yeah, they missed the point. They love doing the opposite of the books, and there's no better example than Ellaria.

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The damage is done, the show died already, season 4 was the last good season. As a book reader, I am no longer attached to any characters in the tv show, I came to a point that I am hoping the Others take them all.

They dumbed the story down so casual viewers can understand it, they are basically calling their viewers "dumb".

The show basically became shock value, some big battles to elevate the hype, a lot of boring and unecessary scenes, glorification of Jon, Daenerys, Tyrion, Arya and Cersei, all the other characters are now cast aside and killed out of nowhere to give space to the favourites of the audience.

I am still trying to understand what is going on with Dorne and the Iron Islands in the show, and also, why kinslaying became so trivial in Westeros? It used to be a big deal, a monstruous crime, now it is common, nobody cares if you are a kinslayer, it seems it is normal to kill your brother, your father, your uncle or whatever.

I am happy there are only 13 episodes left and then we will only wait for the books to give us the canon story.

Like I read in this post: Book readers are rewarded for the waiting with a fantastic story, the lazy people have the tv show. 

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