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On 7/24/2017 at 8:27 AM, Dolorous Gabe said:

The scene with Yara, Theon and Ellaria preceding the battle at sea was horrendous! What were they thinking? It actually made me side with Euron! Also, why in the world did they not have people on lookout? You shouldn't be taken so by surprise at sea.

I know I shouldn’t be siding with the Nights King or people like Euron, but unfortunately the show makes me inclined to do that sometimes.

So Yara is too busy gettin’ it on with Ellaria or playing grab ass with Ellaria to post look outs or sentries? I mean I get it was night time, but Yara should have had some warning about an enemy fleet before it landed right on top of hers. She deserved to lose.

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13 minutes ago, Dolorous Gabe said:

The scene with Yara, Theon and Ellaria preceding the battle at sea was horrendous! What were they thinking? It actually made me side with Euron! Also, why in the world did they not have people on lookout? You shouldn't be taken so by surprise at sea.

Easy. They thought: "oooh, girl-on-girl action!" and of the 13-yo male demographic.

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13 minutes ago, Dolorous Gabe said:

Also, why in the world did they not have people on lookout? You shouldn't be taken so by surprise at sea.

Because nobody has lookouts or scouts in this world anymore and can be surprised by huge numbers of enemies attacking. That's just standard now. 

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1 minute ago, OldGimletEye said:

I know I shouldn’t be siding with the Nights King or people like Euron, but unfortunately the show makes me inclined to do that sometimes.

So Yara is too busy gettin’ it on with Ellaria or playing grab ass with Ellaria to post look outs or sentries? I mean I get it was night time, but Yara should have had some warning about an enemy fleet before it landed right on top of hers. She deserved to lose.

And such a gigantic fleet! She's Ironborn for crying out loud! She is a highly accomplished seafarer!

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On 7/24/2017 at 8:42 AM, Rhollo said:

Because nobody has lookouts or scouts in this world anymore and can be surprised by huge numbers of enemies attacking. That's just standard now. 

It's almost like if you had 20 good sentries or look outs or recon people you could easily conquer Westeros.

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1 hour ago, OldGimletEye said:

Agree that Tyrion’s plan of sending the Unsullied around Westeros to attack Casterly Rock is dumb. Even if they survived such a voyage without all drowning first, they would be completely unsupported trying to pull off a seige.

In real life, the whole thing would be a disaster. Nobody in their right mind would try to pull something like that off.

In the books CR is still on a gold mine. In the show, the gold mine has dried up since S4 or S5. There is an advantage in taking the seat and possibly cut Cersei off from bannermen in the Westerlands... but then the Westerlands would need a Moat Cailin you can't avoid ;)  And yes, without Tyrion there to help infiltrate CR it's nonsense.

The bigger nonsense of course is that the Unsullied will have to sail in the same direction as Yara and Elllaria, but somehow don't meet up with Euron, oh and Euron will also slip by an occupied Dragonstone with 3 fire breathing dragons and reappear in KL.

The battle scene was ok as a fighting sequence, but after S4 of Black Sails and their finale battle (also ramming of a ship) this one was only so-so. It's a huge budget thrown onto characters the show made us not care. I cared nothign for Yara after her "just kill yourself" lines to Theon. I could tell by the music and the acting by the sand snakes I was supposed to care for them dying, and I don't (the sand snakes sisterly bond is growing on me in the books): for which I don't blame the actrices, but the writing and the actor pandering of Indira Varma. Euron has become a tougher character, but he's not Euron scary... He's Victarion. And I certainly don't care about Indira Varma and Bad Pussy. 

And of course the whole idea of sneaking up on a fleet by night on an open ocean is total nonsense.

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On 7/24/2017 at 8:43 AM, Dolorous Gabe said:

And such a gigantic fleet! She's Ironborn for crying out loud! She is a highly accomplished seafarer!

Yeah, it's kind of like Horatio Nelson, losing at Trafalgar because he was too busy watching porn in his cabin to notice anything else.

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It was the exposition hour, with occasional objectification and gore (including two 13 year old boy gaze scenes with characters no one cares about and it turns out greyscale is just a rash) and characters honoring St. Tyrion (like Mary Poppins he is Practically Perfect In Every Way). Only a few episodes left to the series, and there's just tedium and nonsense. (Also too bad they didn't continue to forget Nymeria.)

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1 minute ago, OldGimletEye said:

It's almost like if you had 20 good sentries or look outs or recon people you could easily conquer Westeros.

I'm sure Tyrion will have that grand idea at some point, coz he so smert.

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21 minutes ago, Dolorous Gabe said:

Varys has been in Dany's story for ages and this appears to be the first time they have spoken. If she was really concerned about his loyalty, surely she'd have spoken to him before now. Also, if Ellaria and Olenna were going to meet Dany at Dragonstone anyway, why did Varys not just travel with them instead of teleporting from Dorne aboard the ship heading from Essos to DS? That was really badly thought out!

I liked the Varys and Dany scene, mostly as writing for Varys (it was pretty much the only one), as long as I forgot about the fact he's been on her ship sailing form onths or weeks now. And yeah, the whole meet up with Ellaria and Olenna just made it obsolete for them to teleport Varys onto the fleet in S6 finale.

Of course all the manouvring is badly thought out. They sail to Dragonstone without coming across Euron, who passed Dragonstone and Dany's fleet coming out of Blackwater Bay anyway, and then everybody will again sail south to reach Dorne and the Reach and CR, but Euron only sneaks up on Yara and Ellaria, sails past the rest and Dragonstone again to make it back to KL.

And you could tell they tried to fudge those sailing logistics when Tyrion told his plan of usnig the Unsullied to get CR. He was literally hand waving there when he said how they were going to sail for CR, in the hope that nobody realizes that everybody must be sailing the same direction.

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23 minutes ago, Mindwalker said:

Easy. They thought: "oooh, girl-on-girl action!" and of the 13-yo male demographic.

 

That demographic practically runs the show at this point, otherwise somebody needs to explain why Grey Worm going down on Missandei was an important plot point to throw in this late in the show. All attempts at nuance are gone.

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On 7/24/2017 at 8:45 AM, sweetsunray said:

In the books CR is still on a gold mine. In the show, the gold mine has dried up since S4 or S5. There is an advantage in taking the seat and possibly cut Cersei off from bannermen in the Westerlands... but then the Westerlands would need a Moat Cailin you can't avoid ;)  And yes, without Tyrion there to help infiltrate CR it's nonsense.

The bigger nonsense of course is that the Unsullied will have to sail in the same direction as Yara and Elllaria, but somehow don't meet up with Euron, oh and Euron will also slip by an occupied Dragonstone with 3 fire breathing dragons and reappear in KL.

Yeah, I get the fact that neither Dany, nor Tyrion have had the benefit of reading Clausewitz or whatever.

But, “master strategist guy's” plans are insanely stupid. And we are supposed to believe he’s the smartest cat in the room at all times.

Dividing your forces, where they can’t rapidly march to support one another, all over Westeros is dumb. 

So Dany and Tyrion want to defeat Cersei without firebombing KL? Not much of a problem. Concentrate on the rapid destruction of Cersei’s army. A good way of doing that is by putting the bulk of Dany’s forces in RL, where it turns out, according to the books, she’d have some support. And then by being located there you threaten the Westerlands. That would probably force Cersei to move.

Or even if that seems to complicated, you now, just invade the Reach and seek out and destroy Tarly’s army. 

Tyrion’s “plan” is just a complete cluster.

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20 hours ago, Son of a Harpy said:

 

That demographic practically runs the show at this point, otherwise somebody needs to explain why Grey Worm going down on Missandei was an important plot point to throw in this late in the show. All attempts at nuance are gone.

 It is the sex scene before death.  Count on Grey Worm dying this season.  But yeah the showrunners are 13-year-old boys.

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On 21/07/2017 at 5:46 PM, Le Cygne said:

Another nonsensical Littlefinger line in the new trailer: "Everyone is your enemy, everyone is your friend, every possible series of events is happening all at once!" :lol: And Sandra gapes at her sex trafficker like he's just dispensed the wisdom of the universe.

Here's the video:

 

It's Schrödinger's Littlefinger. Or Schrödfinger, if you will.

:leaving:

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3 hours ago, Dolorous Gabe said:

It's Schrödinger's Littlefinger. Or Schrödfinger, if you will.

:leaving:

No need to hide when brilliance strikes.  It's a perfect metaphor for where it's obvious they are taking LF*: When everything falls into place: Jon and Dany and the dragons and Arya is wearing Cersei's face with Ed Sheeran at her side and it's all wrapped up in a bow, LF will step forward and reveal that this was his master plan all along.

*Anytime the community can come up with a plausible and especially good reason for why something happens in the show, the real answer will always be revealed to be bad writing.  

 

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The show gets worse and twow will never come.  The long night will last forever.

The fault is not principally with hbo and d&d, however.  It is with martin himself.  

He sold the rights.  He created the golem.  He got rich from it. He said twow would be out 2 years ago. 

And, what is worse, it is he who keeps signing up for a million other projects.

If this person, who is almost the biblical threescore and ten, does not finish twow and ados, then only one epitaph should be on his grave: no, not valar morghulis, but "dude is shady" from a post by "ninerings" with more truth in it than anything that comes out of martin's mouth these days:

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I think it has been said already. But this isn't an attack on someone doing what they feel like. Nor is it that I thought the Valyria post meant anything about Winds. 

It is his ATTITUDE towards people wanting the ONE STORY that made him his fortune to be his PRIORITY. Not to mention his repeated broken promises to the very people who have been cheering him on from the beginning. And doing so with a bitchy hostility. He knew that post along with the lockout was going to give people hope, but then stands there with the "I don't get why you would get excited" stance. Perhaps it was that this was only "a few months away" two years ago. Or that "nothing from ASoIaF" will come out until Winds. 

Dude is shady. He is not being honest with people who are excited for his work. And instead is just being a jerk to them about it. THIS is why I have issue. Not the fact that it isn't done."

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