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On 12/2/2016 at 7:44 PM, larrytheimp said:

Well the precedent has been for the USto sign a treaty and then renegade on the deal taking whatever they want by force again and again and again. 

I think eminent domain is extra irrelevant because historically the US just takes whatever the fuck they want.  If it was a poor neighborhood they at least would havegone through the motions and bought them out.

I don't in any way disagree with this. I think it might be worth pointing out that they're doing the same thing down South with the Palmetto Pipeline. 

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Just searched the treaty of Ft. Laramie to see what land the US agreed was Sioux territory and it was a large area.  They did steal quite a bit of this back over time and the Supreme Court ruled that such was the case with regards to the Black Hills and awarded the Sioux $155.5 million in compensation.  The Sioux, those money grabbing devils, refused the cash and instead continue to fight for the return of their stolen lands. 

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12 minutes ago, snake said:

Just searched the treaty of Ft. Laramie to see what land the US agreed was Sioux territory and it was a large area.  They did steal quite a bit of this back over time and the Supreme Court ruled that such was the case with regards to the Black Hills and awarded the Sioux $155.5 million in compensation.  The Sioux, those money grabbing devils, refused the cash and instead continue to fight for the return of their stolen lands. 

Even if they were willing to take the money $155.5 million for the Black Hills is fuck all. Even without the whole spiritual element that makes the Black Hills so important to them that kind of sum in exchange for the Blacks Hills is a slap in the face.

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That money is still sitting there for them, waiting to be claimed. It's over a billion now. But as Metis said, it's absolutely not about that. They truly, deeply believe in what they are fighting for.

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Here is my update from Oceti Sakowin- 

 

We got in just as the announcement came in, saw the fireworks and celebration. There were about 20,000 people in camp this weekend, 3,000 veterans

Monday we got our press passes and distributed donations we brought to the proper areas of camp. We watched the veterans march to the bridge (in blizzard conditions). We experienced suspicious phone hacking issues on the only hill in camp where there is any cell service, with everyone's phones- with over 50% remaining charge- shut off as though out of battery and showing the plug in sign when we tried to turn them back on, none working at all until they were plugged in, then immediately back to their original charge. This also happened to our Theta 360 camera. We tried to go home but got caught in the blizzard and ended up getting turned back and stranded at the casino on Standing Rock, which was housing stranded people and evacuated water protectors in their concert pavilion. They let us sleep there and fed everyone for free. This was several hundred people (the military forgiveness ceremony being shared online was where we slept before we got there), more were coming today.

 

Today the construction crews resumed drilling, I can confirm. I met a guy from Red Warrior Camp (the guys who cover their faces) who had his arm broken by the cops and whose tent had caught fire accidentally and rained burning plastic on him, causing 3rd degree burns. Since then he has been sleeping on the ground in the snow. He (and all of Red Warrior) are planning to stay indefinitely. I didn't hear anyone saying they planned to leave camp, blizzard continues.

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Thank you for that update, KF.  I had no idea there were hacking issues going on there.  Something else that should be reported.

I kept hearing conflicting stories about whether or not they continued drilling. Glad to have it confirmed.  Wonder if that one poster will now identify the Dakota Access, LLP as 'crybullies' for not following orders.  Probably not.

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6 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said:

I kept hearing conflicting stories about whether or not they continued drilling. Glad to have it confirmed.  Wonder if that one poster will now identify the Dakota Access, LLP as 'crybullies' for not following orders.  Probably not.

That would require him to actually believe the shit he spews.

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So the latest headlines are saying theres a 176,000 gallon pipeline leak just a few dozen miles away from the DAPL standoff. How to imagine the size of this spill? Well a barrel of gas in a drum is 40 gallons,  the amount of oil for this spill equals 4,400 barrels. Or another way to imagine the size of the spill would be for 550 large stake rack trucks, each with 8 full barrels of oil, simultaneously dumped into the environment. Just another day in Dakota paradise, no threat to your drinking water here folks.

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2 minutes ago, DireWolfSpirit said:

So the latest headlines are saying theres a 176,000 gallon pipeline leak just a few dozen miles away from the DAPL standoff. How to imagine the size of this spill? Well a barrel of gas in a drum is 40 gallons,  the amount of oil for this spill equals 4,400 barrels. Or another way to imagine the size of the spill would for 550 large stake rack trucks each with 8 full barrels of oil, simultaneously dumped into the environment. Just another day in Dakota paradise, no threat to your drinking water here folks.

And their equipment didn't detect the leak. Wonderful.

But not to worry, our new Secretary of Energy sits on the board of directors of Energy Transfer Partners. Nothing to worry about! 

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Well, you know, it's a good thing they have the court systems so those affected can file their complaints and then almost immediately like magic everything will be cleaned up and no one and nothing will suffer the terrible consequences of this spill.  Right?  Isn't that how Commodore said it worked?

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The systems are only designed to detect a pressure drop higher than 1.5%, so all of them can leak up to that much- continuously, forever, completely undetected

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On 12/6/2016 at 7:49 PM, Kelli Fury said:

We experienced suspicious phone hacking issues on the only hill in camp where there is any cell service, with everyone's phones- with over 50% remaining charge- shut off as though out of battery and showing the plug in sign when we tried to turn them back on, none working at all until they were plugged in, then immediately back to their original charge. This also happened to our Theta 360 camera.

This is really interesting. Did it happen to every brand of phone (i.e. iPhones as well as Android) or only a subset?

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11 minutes ago, Altherion said:

This is really interesting. Did it happen to every brand of phone (i.e. iPhones as well as Android) or only a subset?

Every person I spoke to had it happen, both android and iOS, and the theta camera which is neither. Pretty much any wifi enabled device would power down until you could plug in, which you essentially can't at camp.

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So how rare are Pipeline spills in the United States, you may wonder?  I'll tell you...

U.S. Pipeline spills 1986 - 2016 (through October) 

From the HuffPost article on this : 

My suspicion was that pipeline accidents are rare, but as I investigated, I found that they actually happen all the time. As shown in the mapstory I produced above, in the last 30 years, there have been over 8,700 liquid pipeline spills, averaging nearly one every day.

One, in fact, happened recently only 150 miles from Standing Rock, where over 4,200 barrels (180,000 gallons) spilled into a river. And the spills add up – if the 4.2 million barrels (176 million gallons) that have spilled in the last 30 years were counted as a single spill, it would be the third largest in history, right under the Deepwater Horizon oil spill of 2010, when 4.9 million barrels spilled in the Gulf of Mexico.

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At least the water protectors have a united front if not necessarily a clear objective.  A lack of one is what killed OWS. 

This battle is going to have to shift to the courts if there is going to be some kind of lasting impact. 

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How does the stance of the Army Corp of Engineers impact the Executive Order? My understanding is that the EO is just posturing and requires a few more steps before construction could potentially continue.

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On 1/24/2017 at 10:40 AM, Week said:

How does the stance of the Army Corp of Engineers impact the Executive Order? My understanding is that the EO is just posturing and requires a few more steps before construction could potentially continue.

It never stopped.

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