The Marquis de Leech Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 After marathoning classic Who over the past few weeks, I can now report that I've seen every surviving episode of the 1963-1989 series. My rankings of the serials (only ranking those where at least 50% exist): Genesis of the Daleks Pyramids of Mars The Mind Robber The Caves of Androzani Carnival of Monsters The Talons of Weng-Chiang The Enemy of the World City of Death The Green Death Inferno The Invasion Enlightenment Day of the Daleks The Robots of Death The Greatest Show in the Galaxy The Brain of Morbius The Aztecs The Web of Fear The Ark in Space Remembrance of the Daleks The Time Meddler The Ribos Operation Invasion of the Dinosaurs The Daemons Terror of the Zygons The Curse of Peladon The War Games The Horror of Fang Rock Planet of the Spiders Doctor Who and the Silurians The Curse of Fenric The Deadly Assassin Ghostlight Mawdryn Undead The Dalek Invasion of Earth The Time Warrior The Sunmakers Spearhead from Space The Tomb of the Cybermen An Unearthly Child (single episode) The Mutants Kinda Vengeance on Varos The Masque of Mandragora The Gunfighters Terror of the Autons Planet of Evil Resurrection of the Daleks Planet of Giants The Romans Colony in Space The Happiness Patrol The Androids of Tara Survival The Claws of Axos Snakedance The Seeds of Doom The Ambassadors of Death Planet of Fire The Crusade The Space Museum The Stones of Blood Castrovalva The Hand of Fear Ark of Infinity The Time Monster Logopolis Frontier in Space The Mind of Evil The Five Doctors The Pirate Planet State of Decay Nightmare of Eden The Sea Devils The Underwater Menace The Ark The Mark of the Rani Image of the Fendahl Earthshock Warriors Gate The Leisure Hive The Ice Warriors The Moonbase The Tenth Planet The Sontaran Experiment Frontios The Edge of Destruction Full Circle Four to Doomsday The Two Doctors Robot The Daleks The Keeper of Traken The Awakening The Power of Kroll The War Machines Revelation of the Daleks The Chase Battlefield The Three Doctors Revenge of the Cybermen Black Orchid The Visitation The Rescue 100,000 B.C. The Face of Evil The Seeds of Death Death to the Daleks The Android Invasion Terminus The Creature from the Pit The Keys of Marinus Planet of the Daleks The Invisible Enemy Meglos The Reign of Terror Paradise Towers The King's Demons The Armageddon Factor The Horns of Nimon Dragonfire Underworld The Trial of a Time Lord The Twin Dilemma The Krotons Delta and the Bannermen Warriors of the Deep The Sensorites Destiny of the Daleks Silver Nemesis Attack of the Cybermen The Web Planet The Monster of Peladon The Invasion of Time Timelash The Dominators Time-Flight Time and the Rani Best for each Doctor: William Hartnell: The Aztecs Patrick Troughton: The Mind Robber Jon Pertwee: Carnival of Monsters Tom Baker: Genesis of the Daleks Peter Davison: The Caves of Androzani Colin Baker: Vengeance on Varos Sylvester McCoy: The Greatest Show in the Galaxy Worst for each Doctor: William Hartnell: The Web Planet Patrick Troughton: The Dominators Jon Pertwee: The Monster of Peladon Tom Baker: The Invasion of Time Peter Davison: Time-Flight Colin Baker: Timelash Sylvester McCoy: Time and the Rani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted July 1, 2017 Author Share Posted July 1, 2017 Does anyone believe that we will see the regeneration start and by extension the new Doctor at the end of the episode? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 My initial reaction is that I thought that was a very good season finale, I had been a bit worried that the second half would fail to live up to the first as many two-parters have in the past but while it wasn't flawless I think it got most things right. Moffat seems to have a weird compulsion to kill off but not really entirely kill his Companions. Bill's semi-survival could have been accused of being a bit of a deus ex machina, but I think they just about get away with it by introducing and foreshadowing this in the first episode of the series. I guess that Bill doesn't really have any particularly strong ties to life back on Earth (no particularly close family and now she believes The Doctor is dead), so it makes sense that she would be willing to go off travelling the Universe with the pilot. The scenes with The Master and Missy were good, and it did seem a fitting end for them both, even if making the Master so literally self-destructive feels a bit too on the nose. To be honest I didn't think much of the idea of Nardole as a Companion at the start of the season, but I think he's been a good addition to the show and it did feel like he got some nice character development with the Doctor convincing him that he'll reluctantly have to the be the hero this time. I suppose the door is left open for both Bill and Nardole to come back in the future if they wish (probably easier in plot terms for Nardole). Might be a bit more difficult to explain bringing Missy back, but The Master has been killed off before and that hasn't stopped him coming back. The ending was intriguing. It's a pity I'd already heard rumours about David Bradley playing the First Doctor because it would have been a nice surprise to see him coming out of the mists otherwise, but I'm definitely interested in seeing what they do with him in the Christmas Special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted July 1, 2017 Author Share Posted July 1, 2017 1 hour ago, williamjm said: Might be a bit more difficult to explain bringing Missy back, According to rumors Michelle Gomez will leave along with Peter Capaldi and Steven Moffat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Just now, The Doctor's Consort said: According to rumors Michelle Gomez will leave along with Peter Capaldi and Steven Moffat. I was thinking more about whether there would be another regeneration, but they seemed pretty clear in the episode that should not happen - at least if we believe The Master, who isn't always the most reliable of sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted July 1, 2017 Author Share Posted July 1, 2017 1 minute ago, williamjm said: I was thinking more about whether there would be another regeneration, but they seemed pretty clear in the episode that should not happen - at least if we believe The Master, who isn't always the most reliable of sources. I haven't seen the episode yet so can you tell me what happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 1 hour ago, The Doctor's Consort said: I haven't seen the episode yet so can you tell me what happened? Missy and The Master are abandoning the Doctor to try to escape in the Master's Tardis, but at the last minute Missy decides she wants to fight alongside the Doctor for once and stabs The Master, telling him he should live long enough to reach his Tardis and regenerate. The Master then retaliates by shooting her in the back with his sonic screwdriver, telling her that it was on a high enough setting that she wouldn't be able to regenerate. They both then laugh at the inevitability of them stabbing each other in the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog-days Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Spoilers, sweetie. Spoiler The pacing was uneven, and it descended a bit into total madness after the relative control of the first half - that feeling you get in Moffat episodes where an awful lot is being crammed into a very short space of time, and wouldn't be hurt by a couple more scenes here and there. But I liked it a lot. Found myself being really happy that Nardole has been introduced, simply because he was providing a voice of relative lightness and comedy amidst the "without hope, without witness, without reward" drama of the Cybermen attack and the sado-masochistic tango of the Master and Missy. Peter Capaldi acted his socks off, bless him. He was great. There was some lovely visual design there. The final shot of the Master curled up laughing in the receding lift was particularly memorable. Simm was genuinely appallingly nasty in his taunting of CyberBill, after pretending to be her friend for ten years. Also: "Are we really going to...?" and "Is it wrong that I...?" (The Master's eyes move downwards). I'm a little surprised the BBC let Moffat get away with that. Glad they did though. The decision to alternate between showing Bill as she imagines herself, and how she is post-Cyberfication was a good one. Her eventual escape was a bit over-easy, but as it had been set up in The Pilot and occurred in the episode in which we lost Missy, the Master, and are being set up to lose Twelve, it didn't feel too saccharine. That there would be an escape for her was signalled quite early through her tears, and so I didn't find the quite painful focus on her mental suffering too manipulative - the episode didn't seem to be compelling us to think that she would be CyberBill forever. When Missy said goodbye to the Doctor, I thought she pressed something into his hand. I was getting ready for <unknown device> to come into play. But apparently she just pressed his hand surprisingly hard. I will hugely miss Michelle Gomez and her enchantingly venomous eyes. At one point, I actually thought that Moffat was going to go for it and have the Doctor's regeneration energy transferred to Missy. Wouldn't have complained. Definitely a better choice than Kris Marshall. I'm sure it's not the last we've seen of the Master in general though. S/he'll be back. The one false note, as I've heard others comment, was that Bill waited ten years for the Doctor. Okay, she had a strange kind of mental imprint of him saying "Wait for me!" but even so, ten years is an improbably large amount of time for a proactive character like Bill to tolerate. If it had just been dropped into the script that the Master was sticking some kind of drug in the tea, it could have smoothed over the characterisation issues. Looking forward to the Christmas special. Very happy Bradley is reprising his role as Hartnell/The Doctor. Been rewatching quite a few episodes from New Who recently. For all that I've complained about the tics and absurdities in Moffat's style, I will miss him. There is something so individualistic, ambitious and entertaining about the way he writes, and we're unlikely to get any hint of that from Chibnall. After watching Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead again late last night, I switched over to Shaun the Sheep for seven minutes just so I felt safe to risk falling asleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted July 1, 2017 Author Share Posted July 1, 2017 57 minutes ago, williamjm said: Missy and The Master are abandoning the Doctor to try to escape in the Master's Tardis, but at the last minute Missy decides she wants to fight alongside the Doctor for once and stabs The Master, telling him he should live long enough to reach his Tardis and regenerate. The Master then retaliates by shooting her in the back with his sonic screwdriver, telling her that it was on a high enough setting that she wouldn't be able to regenerate. They both then laugh at the inevitability of them stabbing each other in the back. No please no! Both Missy and 12 are gone? 9 minutes ago, dog-days said: Spoiler Kris Marshall Please tell me that this isn't official. I just saw the Twelve meeting 1 on youtube. Did 1 quoted 4? Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 8 minutes ago, dog-days said: Spoilers, sweetie. I forgot this wasn't officially a spoiler thread (I don't think we've tended to use spoiler boxes for previous episodes). I'll go back and edit the posts, just in case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog-days Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Just now, williamjm said: I forgot this wasn't officially a spoiler thread (I don't think we've tended to use spoiler boxes for previous episodes). I'll go back and edit the posts, just in case. Sorry, I didn't mean that as a rebuke. I've just been too busy watching SM's back catalogue. The remark is meant to be about what I was writing, though in fact I only decided to use a spoiler cut because I wrote too much and it would have taken up a lot of space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted July 1, 2017 Author Share Posted July 1, 2017 I changed the title and now the thread contains spoilers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog-days Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Quote Please tell me that this isn't official. No, Kris Marshall was mentioned a lot a few months ago, but since then things have gone quiet on that front. I still have hope that it's not him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiriki Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 1 hour ago, The Doctor's Consort said: According to rumors Michelle Gomez will leave along with Peter Capaldi and Steven Moffat. Can't happen soon enough. While I love Doctor Who, these last couple of seasons have been horrible. Unwatchable, IMO. And I've loved Doctor Who since 1985. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted July 1, 2017 Author Share Posted July 1, 2017 17 minutes ago, Jiriki said: Can't happen soon enough. While I love Doctor Who, these last couple of seasons have been horrible. Unwatchable, IMO. And I've loved Doctor Who since 1985. For me is quite the opposite. I love Steven Moffat's work and 12 is in my top 3 Doctors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiriki Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 On 6/28/2017 at 5:41 PM, Roose Boltons Pet Leech said: After marathoning classic Who over the past few weeks, I can now report that I've seen every surviving episode of the 1963-1989 series. My rankings of the serials (only ranking those where at least 50% exist): Genesis of the Daleks Pyramids of Mars The Mind Robber The Caves of Androzani Carnival of Monsters The Talons of Weng-Chiang The Enemy of the World City of Death The Green Death Inferno The Invasion Enlightenment Day of the Daleks The Robots of Death The Greatest Show in the Galaxy The Brain of Morbius The Aztecs The Web of Fear The Ark in Space Remembrance of the Daleks The Time Meddler The Ribos Operation Invasion of the Dinosaurs The Daemons Terror of the Zygons The Curse of Peladon The War Games The Horror of Fang Rock Planet of the Spiders Doctor Who and the Silurians The Curse of Fenric The Deadly Assassin Ghostlight Mawdryn Undead The Dalek Invasion of Earth The Time Warrior The Sunmakers Spearhead from Space The Tomb of the Cybermen An Unearthly Child (single episode) The Mutants Kinda Vengeance on Varos The Masque of Mandragora The Gunfighters Terror of the Autons Planet of Evil Resurrection of the Daleks Planet of Giants The Romans Colony in Space The Happiness Patrol The Androids of Tara Survival The Claws of Axos Snakedance The Seeds of Doom The Ambassadors of Death Planet of Fire The Crusade The Space Museum The Stones of Blood Castrovalva The Hand of Fear Ark of Infinity The Time Monster Logopolis Frontier in Space The Mind of Evil The Five Doctors The Pirate Planet State of Decay Nightmare of Eden The Sea Devils The Underwater Menace The Ark The Mark of the Rani Image of the Fendahl Earthshock Warriors Gate The Leisure Hive The Ice Warriors The Moonbase The Tenth Planet The Sontaran Experiment Frontios The Edge of Destruction Full Circle Four to Doomsday The Two Doctors Robot The Daleks The Keeper of Traken The Awakening The Power of Kroll The War Machines Revelation of the Daleks The Chase Battlefield The Three Doctors Revenge of the Cybermen Black Orchid The Visitation The Rescue 100,000 B.C. The Face of Evil The Seeds of Death Death to the Daleks The Android Invasion Terminus The Creature from the Pit The Keys of Marinus Planet of the Daleks The Invisible Enemy Meglos The Reign of Terror Paradise Towers The King's Demons The Armageddon Factor The Horns of Nimon Dragonfire Underworld The Trial of a Time Lord The Twin Dilemma The Krotons Delta and the Bannermen Warriors of the Deep The Sensorites Destiny of the Daleks Silver Nemesis Attack of the Cybermen The Web Planet The Monster of Peladon The Invasion of Time Timelash The Dominators Time-Flight Time and the Rani Best for each Doctor: William Hartnell: The Aztecs Patrick Troughton: The Mind Robber Jon Pertwee: Carnival of Monsters Tom Baker: Genesis of the Daleks Peter Davison: The Caves of Androzani Colin Baker: Vengeance on Varos Sylvester McCoy: The Greatest Show in the Galaxy Worst for each Doctor: William Hartnell: The Web Planet Patrick Troughton: The Dominators Jon Pertwee: The Monster of Peladon Tom Baker: The Invasion of Time Peter Davison: Time-Flight Colin Baker: Timelash Sylvester McCoy: Time and the Rani Great list! I mostly agree with much of it. However... "Castrovalva" is rated too low. That was a brilliant serial. I think Hartnell's "The Web Planet" just suffered from low production values; the script itself was pretty innovative for the time, with efforts to show alien thought patterns. It hasn't aged well, but I like the script. I never liked McCoy's "The Greatest Show in the Galaxy", or "The War Games" (#27 on your list). War Games was tedious; it seemed like it was 50 episodes long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 So Nardole and his foundlings are just left to be eventually killed by cybermen? Thats not on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 11 minutes ago, john said: So Nardole and his foundlings are just left to be eventually killed by cybermen? Thats not on. He says he'll figure something out: this was more 'open-ended plot we might pick up some day' than 'they're doomed'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 30 minutes ago, mormont said: He says he'll figure something out: this was more 'open-ended plot we might pick up some day' than 'they're doomed'. Since the Doctor has the Tardis back he could even go back and rescue them himself, although he may be a little bit distracted at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 59 minutes ago, Jiriki said: Great list! I mostly agree with much of it. However... "Castrovalva" is rated too low. That was a brilliant serial. I think Hartnell's "The Web Planet" just suffered from low production values; the script itself was pretty innovative for the time, with efforts to show alien thought patterns. It hasn't aged well, but I like the script. I never liked McCoy's "The Greatest Show in the Galaxy", or "The War Games" (#27 on your list). War Games was tedious; it seemed like it was 50 episodes long. Pleased to see that no-one objects to my relatively high placement of The Gunfighters, The Space Museum, and The Underwater Menace, which are commonly regarded as awful! Even the infamous Twin Dilemma doesn't crack my bottom ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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