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Rhaegar was WAY better than Robert


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14 hours ago, Ser Petyr Parker said:

We don't really have enough information to be sure, but throughout the series we're made to doubt the assumption that Robert's Rebellion ended well. Robert is a disappointing king and we almost never get a description of Rhaegar that doesn't present him as someone more worthy of the throne and responsibility in general. Then once you start getting hints that maybe Aerys was about to be kicked off the throne and replaced by Rhaegar anyway, you wonder if any of it was worth it.

Pretty much this. 

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Robert was scum and the worse thign is he knew what Joffrey and cersei were but hardly cared. That whole him admitting to Ned about Lady cemented it for me. I agree with the OP, but sigh Rhaegar deserved that hammer to the chest for his stupidity. Shaming your wife then taking the same girl you shamed her with. Even if he won the battle i can see the civil war coming soon after. 

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11 hours ago, Lee-Sensei said:

It took Cersei over two years to find out about it. She got Jaime to follow and spy on him. It seems that for the first few years he was discrete about it. Also, Robert didn't do that to Stannis on purpose. He was drunk. That doesn't make it alright, but it's dishonest to pretend he did it specifically to humiliate his brother.

He gatecrashed Stannis wedding FCS 

Robert is always drunk. However the only time we know he gatecrashed an event in that way was Stannis wedding. Also out of so many women attending the wedding he ends up sleeping with someone with a similar standing to Stannis's wife (A Florent from the minor branch). Isn't that an unfortunate co-incidence?

 

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15 hours ago, TMIFairy said:

LOL!

So much self delusion! He saw her as the egg provider for his fucked up prophecy. And Rhaeagr either was too stupid - or just did not care- that his acts will make the Kingdom burn.

Robert was no saint, but Rheagar is in a different league of crazy and evil than the Drunk Stag.

As simple as that. Robert is a very flawed man. Yet he is not evil nor crazy.

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I like them both as characters. Both flawed, both tragic in their own ways. People can be too hard on both of them.

With Rhaegar we don't know a ton about why he did what he did so branding him a vicious monster is a bit premature. But it's tough to see how his escapades with Lyanna will look anything short of irresponsible when the ink is dry. 

With Robert everything's pretty much out there. People either like him or they don't. 

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15 hours ago, Nihlus said:

Robert was a good king, his only mistakes were not executing Varys and getting cuckolded. 

He also bankrupted the realm. 

When the narrative or your reign reads "Cuckhold who turned Westeros into a debtor nation before eating, drinking, and whoring his way to an early grave," you were not such a good king.

I'm surprised Jon Arryn allowed the crown to go so massively into debt. He was a lousy hand too.

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2 hours ago, UnViserion said:

He also bankrupted the realm. 

No he didn't, GRRM just has no idea how economics work. He seems to have a five year old's conception of the economy where more gold = good and any debt = bad.

The economy under Aerys and Tywin was supposedly doing great, because at the end of a massive civil war, the Crown's vaults were overflowing with gold. This is then used to bash Robert for supposedly spending so much that the Crown is in debt. Money that the Crown loans to people (what LF does, and the same people Tyrion then allows Joffrey to throw off the walls because some of them wanted to help Stannis in the battle), when LF explicitly made the Crown's income ten times more than it was through very simple economics. All that money Robert "wasted"? Loaned or funneled directly into the economy. Like how a government should be spending its money.

On top of the crown's income being increased, public events like tourneys being thrown at apparently greater frequency, and tons of money being loaned out, with increased ties to the world's largest bank to boot, Robert has been throwing money into the Crownlands' economy to the point that the capital city is as wealthy and developed as ever a mere 15 years after Tywin brutally sacks it in an orgy of murder and pillage. This spending is treated by the fans as a waste of perfectly hoardable money, like that makes any damn sense. The Targaryens by contrast, in 300 years, built a few hundred kilometers of dirt road to connect to the one built by the Storm Kings, and then renamed it the "King's Road". That's the sum total of their investment in their kingdom's infrastructure and economic development.

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We know too little of Rhaegar with what we do know being biased from either people who hate him (Robert) or love him (JonCon, Barristan). Robert however is someone we get a bit of, from what we do get is that he's a whoring irresponsible drunk woman beater, but Robert was not meant to become King, he was meant to be the Lord of a very military-centered region which was what he was suited for. Neither men were bad, but they had their own flaws. Rhaegar started a war that killed thousands and Robert's rule caused another than killed thousands, however some can say that was more of Cersei's fault than Roberts for her incest with Jaime creating Joffrey.

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On 9/6/2017 at 0:31 AM, devilish said:

He gatecrashed Stannis wedding FCS 

Robert is always drunk. However the only time we know he gatecrashed an event in that way was Stannis wedding. Also out of so many women attending the wedding he ends up sleeping with someone with a similar standing to Stannis's wife (A Florent from the minor branch). Isn't that an unfortunate co-incidence?

 

It was. He's boorish, but he didn't do it intentionally and he apologized for it afterwards.

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18 minutes ago, Wall Flower said:

Stannis didn't seem impressed. Possibly he received the same non-apology that Robert gave to Cersei - 'It wasn't me Stannis, it was the wine'.

That's irrelevant. It wasn't intentional and he apologized. Robert also did a lot of good things for Stannis anyways.

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robert loved his version of lyanna but not her. Also I think it was really aery's for killing the fathers of the people who came with brandon stark to call for rhegars head.

If lyanna had come by choice I will easily say that rhegar was the better men in every way and would have made a far better king then robert but that isn't saying much.

 

Also it isn't said by most but in feast of crows cersei's POV basically says that robert would come into her bed some nights and take her. The way it's said makes me think that she fought back or made it clear he didn't want it so robert  raped cersei on more then one occasion.

So yeah robert was an a** hole for so many reasons.

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On 9/6/2017 at 3:33 PM, Nihlus said:

No he didn't, GRRM just has no idea how economics work. He seems to have a five year old's conception of the economy where more gold = good and any debt = bad.

The economy under Aerys and Tywin was supposedly doing great, because at the end of a massive civil war, the Crown's vaults were overflowing with gold. This is then used to bash Robert for supposedly spending so much that the Crown is in debt. Money that the Crown loans to people (what LF does, and the same people Tyrion then allows Joffrey to throw off the walls because some of them wanted to help Stannis in the battle), when LF explicitly made the Crown's income ten times more than it was through very simple economics. All that money Robert "wasted"? Loaned or funneled directly into the economy. Like how a government should be spending its money.

On top of the crown's income being increased, public events like tourneys being thrown at apparently greater frequency, and tons of money being loaned out, with increased ties to the world's largest bank to boot, Robert has been throwing money into the Crownlands' economy to the point that the capital city is as wealthy and developed as ever a mere 15 years after Tywin brutally sacks it in an orgy of murder and pillage. This spending is treated by the fans as a waste of perfectly hoardable money, like that makes any damn sense. The Targaryens by contrast, in 300 years, built a few hundred kilometers of dirt road to connect to the one built by the Storm Kings, and then renamed it the "King's Road". That's the sum total of their investment in their kingdom's infrastructure and economic development.

Well actually robert let corruption spread rampant which ends up causing problems with money and was likely what put the realm in such debt

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