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At this stage, this is the pivotal mystery.  The girl’s call in 1990 is a big twist that will have to be resolved.  Scoot has been presented as a character that is very unlikely to be guilty, but we have been fed clues that point to a possible other storyline that would still justify her statement in that call. 

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You're all wrong. The father has actually been hinted at in the background in photos. Arkansas. Government. 1980 ;) 

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A lot came out of this episode but still nothing much?

I didn't quite understand the scene where Hays lost time, it's suddenly dark and he's wandering through the house, sees himself and family on the bed and opens the door, then we get 90's Hays viewpoint of the door opening but no one there...meh..

When he read the passage in the book about children laughing, I took it that he thought Amelia was involved, not the mom, looks more like the mom though based on others views. 

Had similar thoughts about the woman calling on the phone. First off we have no proof she is even the daughter, that needs to be remembered. If it is, she could very well have been told that he wasn't her real dad, she was very young when taken. She likely knew her abductor long before she was taken so she would trust them. Looks like the abductor told her that her "fake" dad is the one who hurt her brother, a good reason for her to turn against him.

I still hate that we keep jumping time lines. IDK, maybe if it was just 80's and current, or 80's and 90's I'd be more ok with it.

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Based on spoiler up thread about S1 detectives making an appearance this week, I assume they are going to tie in that same case with this group. It was always assumed that a larger group with power was involved in that case. Does this season tie it in and potentially wrap that one up?

 

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On 2/5/2019 at 3:18 PM, unJon said:

So to tie this theory together:

The boy is Scoot’s kid. The girl is someone else’s kid based on the mum sleeping around on the dad. The biological father is the politician guy / AG. He plays with the kids in the woods. He kills the boy and kidnaps the daughter. He has the pull to get a dirty cop to plant evidence (backpack, shirt) on the crazy vet after he’s killed. At some point the daughter escapes and is at large in the 90s. 

Somehow all the stuff about the AG kinda passed me by but I can definitely get behind this. The mothers apparent contempt for Scoot would seem to be the reason for her complicity ie giving her daughter a "better" life with her real father, though perhaps she didn't account for the son being killed? Idk. But I def like where this is going.

Loved old Wests' 180 too - thought maybe in the 90' timeline he'd become too big for his britches and curious about what led to him seemingly disowning the "good life".

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On 2/7/2019 at 3:34 PM, RenlyIsNotRight said:

Somehow all the stuff about the AG kinda passed me by but I can definitely get behind this. The mothers apparent contempt for Scoot would seem to be the reason for her complicity ie giving her daughter a "better" life with her real father, though perhaps she didn't account for the son being killed? Idk. But I def like where this is going.

Loved old Wests' 180 too - thought maybe in the 90' timeline he'd become too big for his britches and curious about what led to him seemingly disowning the "good life".

Yes, this theory makes the most sense.

Emboldened- Even more mystery to unravel with future episodes.  Perhaps it was something to do with what Hays did to him, and that is why he was so reluctant to pull the 180.

We do see some striking similarities between Season 1 and 3.  After all, why wouldn't we, after the acclaim and success of S1 and the dismal result of S2.  It's an easy go-to. That's probably been brought up.  Unfortunately, I haven't the time to read the entire thread, so apologies if this is the case.

Back to that point, we saw a very similar scene in the beginning of S1E6 (i believe), between Cole and Heart. Cole has to convince Heart to change his mind from "never wanting to see that sort of thing again", to wholeheartedly helping someone despite a seemingly insurmountable circumstance between partners.

 

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So yeah Harris James was definitely the dude who planted the bag and I still think Hays and Roland will kill him and not Dan. Just not sure how the case doesn’t end up solved in the 90s after they off Harris but I guess we’ll find out. 

That last scene was pretty intense but fuck Tom is an idiot for going in by himself. 

 

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1 hour ago, Mark Antony said:

So yeah Harris James was definitely the dude who planted the bag and I still think Hays and Roland will kill him and not Dan. Just not sure how the case doesn’t end up solved in the 90s after they off Harris but I guess we’ll find out. 

That last scene was pretty intense but fuck Tom is an idiot for going in by himself. 

 

I like how they are resolving some of the mysteries earlier as opposed to waiting to resolve everything in the finale. 

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So I got the impression from West's reactions to Tom possibly being a homosexual, that West may have been as well. Could West have been blackmailed by those in power steering the cover up who possibly knew of his sexuality to go along with the official story and try to keep Hays in line? His words and actions seem to point towards him keeping Hays away from the truth.

Lucy seemed to have a guilty conscience all along. No surprise now that she seems to have been paid off. Is the plant boss the real father or just some pedophile grooming kids? That pink room was creepy as hell at the end.

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8 hours ago, Mark Antony said:

That last scene was pretty intense but fuck Tom is an idiot for going in by himself. 

So shall we conseider him dead or framed you think? Anyway seems he's not around in 2015 timeline.

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9 hours ago, Astromech said:

So I got the impression from West's reactions to Tom possibly being a homosexual, that West may have been as well. Could West have been blackmailed by those in power steering the cover up who possibly knew of his sexuality to go along with the official story and try to keep Hays in line? His words and actions seem to point towards him keeping Hays away from the truth.

Lucy seemed to have a guilty conscience all along. No surprise now that she seems to have been paid off. Is the plant boss the real father or just some pedophile grooming kids? That pink room was creepy as hell at the end.

I got that vibe from west too. It actually fits the character quite well eg him understanding intolerance quite well and the wedding that never happened.

Not sure why the biological dad would lock his daughter in a pink room unless he's super psycho/creepy.

2 hours ago, 3CityApache said:

So shall we conseider him dead or framed you think? Anyway seems he's not around in 2015 timeline.

He could also be in prison in 2015

Knew hay's son was with the reporter and still pretty much accepting she is the daughter of the kidnapped girl despite no evidence other than "tv twist". 

Loved hay's line about god should have spent full seven days creating the world. Ali did a great job delivering it.

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10 hours ago, red snow said:

Loved hay's line about god should have spent full seven days creating the world. Ali did a great job delivering it.

Agree 100% with you.

Yeah, Hays clearly picked up on what was said about his body. I never got a vibe from West like that though. It could explain him never marrying though and why he was mad at Hays. Maybe West came out to him and Hays blew up on him.

I'm thinking dad is dead, no way he comes back from the super creepy vault safe pink room, which was so clearly a trap. Do we see him ground up and fed to the chickens later!?!?

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On 2/11/2019 at 9:28 AM, Astromech said:

So I got the impression from West's reactions to Tom possibly being a homosexual, that West may have been as well.

Nothing I've seen precludes bisexuality rather than homosexuality.

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I can't help but feel that this season has been way too slow of a burn.  It's not outwardly bad in the way that S2 was, but despite the strong lead performances the mystery and the episode-by-episode advancement of the story have not worked for me.  It would have to do a lot in the final two episodes for me to give it anything more than a meh recommendation to someone else.  

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1 minute ago, Triskele said:

I can't help but feel that this season has been way too slow of a burn.  It's not outwardly bad in the way that S2 was, but despite the strong lead performances the mystery and the episode-by-episode advancement of the story have not worked for me.  It would have to do a lot in the final two episodes for me to give it anything more than a meh recommendation to someone else.  

Funny. IMO, the plot has resolved more quickly than season 1. YMMV obviously. 

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3 minutes ago, unJon said:

Funny. IMO, the plot has resolved more quickly than season 1. YMMV obviously. 

Confused by the comment because I'm not talking about resolution of the plot unless you're seeing my use of "advancement."  I guess to clarify what I'm getting at is that main mystery is only so compelling on its own (especially compared to S1 if we're going to bring up S1).  And I do think the third timeline as other have said takes the tension level down on top of that.  

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I kind of agree because we largely know that, well, nothing gets resolved because of the current timeline. And we aren't given enough reason to care. Wills death isn't some horrible thing like the first season was, so we dont have this weird ass occult angle. Julie getting kidnapped is interesting, but again we knew she wasnt dead way early and then have to stumble through a whole timeline of them fucking it up.

Td1 didn't have them fucking it up; it just had them not going into it enough. Td1 had them find 2 of the three major baddies as of ep 5 and end them entirely. We know that isn't all of it, but at least we know why. Td3 has still not solved anything for anyone, and we know that the 80s and 90s are basically fuckups. 

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Would be nice if HBO would release this in 6 months in chronological order, to see if it's a better show.

So right now we know the garbage man died just because he was a scapegoat. Easy target for hate and a frame up. But since Julie isn't dead and resurfaces...

Now the dad becomes the easy scapegoat because of her call to the tip line and pretty much nothing else. I mean he did kill the brother in law ( I assume) but temporary insanity/ circumstances and all...who could blame him?    And once again since he finds the pink palace we know it wasn't him...(pretty sure the ex cop kills him and then gets offed himself for knowing too much)   His wife was actually in on it and getting paid but she is dead too...

So does the 2015 timeline reporter truly end up as Julies' daughter and does the chicken CEO get found out? I assume he has been funding the elections of that AG who keeps steering Hays and Woods in the wrong directions. These seem to be the only questions unanswered.

done with late night rambling. 

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I'm guessing Tom is first interrogated before being killed (probably made to look like a suicide), and that leads them to Dan. Then West and Hays realize enough of it that Harris James ends up being killed by them (or possibly just by West).

Something like that, I guess.

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13 hours ago, Triskele said:

I can't help but feel that this season has been way too slow of a burn.  It's not outwardly bad in the way that S2 was, but despite the strong lead performances the mystery and the episode-by-episode advancement of the story have not worked for me.  It would have to do a lot in the final two episodes for me to give it anything more than a meh recommendation to someone else.  

Definitely agreed.  The pacing is poor, and the three timelines are not working well, and the overall impact is meh.  There is a progressive reveal in each episode rather than 9 eps of nothing followed by a deus ex machina, but it’s still a muddled narrative and badly muddled character development.  I think this will be the end of TD.  And it really should have been just that amazing first season.

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Pacing hasn’t bothered me at all. I can see the arguments that the third timeline hasn’t worked but id like to see how it plays out first. Doubt it will be the end of TD unless Pizzolatto wants it to be. HBO president basically said as much. 

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