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13 hours ago, Triskele said:

I can't help but feel that this season has been way too slow of a burn.  It's not outwardly bad in the way that S2 was, but despite the strong lead performances the mystery and the episode-by-episode advancement of the story have not worked for me.  It would have to do a lot in the final two episodes for me to give it anything more than a meh recommendation to someone else.  

I agree, they made many of the same mistakes as Westworld 2 did, one timeline too many, and they inexplicably used these timelines to rob the story of suspense. 

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10 hours ago, Mark Antony said:

Pacing hasn’t bothered me at all. I can see the arguments that the third timeline hasn’t worked but id like to see how it plays out first. Doubt it will be the end of TD unless Pizzolatto wants it to be. HBO president basically said as much. 

And I am definitely still wanting to see how the final episodes see it play out.  But at this point I actually have to ask myself what am I even looking for, and for a show like this that seems like a problem.*  What really remains to be uncovered?  Exactly what Julie's been up to and who killed her brother and what if any coverup there was and who this new character is that told Hays he was hot and was about to hurt Tom and how the case was botched back in the day?  That seems like more or less what we're looking to see resolved, and as I type that list I just find that I am not that driven to learn the answers to any of these things.  It's tough to keep comparing it to S1, but in S1 I was dying for each new episode.  

The biggest question I have right now is why has Dorff not had more good acting gigs.  

 

 

 

*I can certainly concede that maybe I've not done a good enough job of watching the show.

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Agree with comments above.  While it's hasn't been a bad season, it still hasn't come close to reaching the heights of S1. The 3 timelines thing for the sake of 3 timelines, cutting between them when the jumps aren't even remotely connecting just doesn't work and in some aspects makes the early timelines redundant  

That said... if they made a S4 of the same-ish quality I probably would watch it, it's still better than most of the shite out there.

 

22 hours ago, Triskele said:

And I am definitely still wanting to see how the final episodes see it play out.  But at this point I actually have to ask myself what am I even looking for, and for a show like this that seems like a problem.*  What really remains to be uncovered?  Exactly what Julie's been up to and who killed her brother and what if any coverup there was and who this new character is that told Hays he was hot and was about to hurt Tom and how the case was botched back in the day?  That seems like more or less what we're looking to see resolved, and as I type that list I just find that I am not that driven to learn the answers to any of these things.  It's tough to keep comparing it to S1, but in S1 I was dying for each new episode.  

The biggest question I have right now is why has Dorff not had more good acting gigs.  

 

 

 

*I can certainly concede that maybe I've not done a good enough job of watching the show.

 

He's been brilliant, the highlight of the season.  Had a look at his filmography a few weeks ago and there's so much shite on there. What a waste but i'm sure he'll get a few decent gigs after this.

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It's been better than season 2 although a lot less adventurous due to retreating to the comfort of season one elements.

Dorf is truly deserving of a 2nd phase in his career. One would have to imagine he's had a terrible agent or been happy phoning it in for 20 years. Hopefully he's more picky and gets regular work. For him to star alongside Ali and still stand out is an accomplishment even if i think he got the better character to play.

Various news sites announcing a guest star for next episode which is a bit annoying as it's almost certainly the "big bad chicken" man which also means we haven't seen the villain on screen yet - something i think all good murder mysteries should do in the first 2 episodes

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On 2/13/2019 at 12:12 PM, Mark Antony said:

Pacing hasn’t bothered me at all. I can see the arguments that the third timeline hasn’t worked but id like to see how it plays out first. Doubt it will be the end of TD unless Pizzolatto wants it to be. HBO president basically said as much. 

I wonder about that. I'm sure it's not GoT-expensive to make, but this can't be a cheap show either. The ratings are not very good and the critics are okay with it, but it's not a darling. HBO already has three other dramas similar to that, but closer to being critical darlings: Big Little Lies, The Deuce, and Succession. They've got the Watchmen series and the JJ Abrams/Jordon Peele black Lovecraft series coming soon as possible new tentpoles, plus several other smaller dramas (and are maybe spending a lot co-producing the BBC's His Dark Materials series, who knows). And there's the GoT spinoff spinning up production

It's not like it was a few years ago, where HBO had no choice but to renew TD again because they had no dramas besides it, GoT, and Westworld upcoming. Plus, Pizzolatto already has other production deals at HBO that he can work on; that Perry Mason miniseries he and Robert Downey Jr. are supposedly creating looks like it's finally moving forward (which I'd be much more excited about if RDJ was starring in it rather than just producing it).

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On 2/15/2019 at 6:17 AM, red snow said:

It's been better than season 2 although a lot less adventurous due to retreating to the comfort of season one elements.

 

Let's be honest, a steaming pile of dog shit would be better than S2.

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On 2/15/2019 at 1:33 PM, Fez said:

I wonder about that. I'm sure it's not GoT-expensive to make, but this can't be a cheap show either. The ratings are not very good and the critics are okay with it, but it's not a darling. HBO already has three other dramas similar to that, but closer to being critical darlings: Big Little Lies, The Deuce, and Succession. They've got the Watchmen series and the JJ Abrams/Jordon Peele black Lovecraft series coming soon as possible new tentpoles, plus several other smaller dramas (and are maybe spending a lot co-producing the BBC's His Dark Materials series, who knows). And there's the GoT spinoff spinning up production

It's not like it was a few years ago, where HBO had no choice but to renew TD again because they had no dramas besides it, GoT, and Westworld upcoming. Plus, Pizzolatto already has other production deals at HBO that he can work on; that Perry Mason miniseries he and Robert Downey Jr. are supposedly creating looks like it's finally moving forward (which I'd be much more excited about if RDJ was starring in it rather than just producing it).

The Deuce only has one season left, big little lies could run afoul of TD2 in sense it's a sequel to a done in one story (although I'm hoping for the leftovers style scenario of being as good when creating their own story). Then there's the fact they may not want all their shows to be SFF - crime is generally a genre that reaches a broader demographic although I suspect GOT and True blood has shown the merchandise appeal of SFF. I doubt there'll be many triple pack Hays toys covering 80s-alzheimers versions.

It does sound like Pizzolatto is getting tired of inventing a show every season from some of his inteviews. He even suggested maybe continuing True Detective as an ongoing show in the future. The other option is to not have Pizzolatto do the next season and use the concept for other showrunners to come in and do their detective miniseries they've always wanted to do. But maybe the brand isn't that strong and they'd be as well off making a new show.

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15 hours ago, dbunting said:

Let's be honest, a steaming pile of dog shit would be better than S2.

i thought it rose to the level of entertainingly bad, so bad, you kept watching to see what incredibly dumb and unrealistic plot twist would be next, and it didn't disappoint.  

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On 2/11/2019 at 7:05 AM, Mark Antony said:

So yeah Harris James was definitely the dude who planted the bag and I still think Hays and Roland will kill him and not Dan. Just not sure how the case doesn’t end up solved in the 90s after they off Harris but I guess we’ll find out. 

That last scene was pretty intense but fuck Tom is an idiot for going in by himself. 

 

Good call. 

Like the casting of Michael Rooker as the main villain. He’s always great. 

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4 hours ago, Nictarion said:

Good call. 

Like the casting of Michael Rooker as the main villain. He’s always great. 

The music before they drag him out to that barn was fucking awesome. Really curious to see how it all wraps up. 

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Not a surprise the writers used the pedophile ring Cohle and Hart investigated to at least insert them into s3. I doubt it's the same ring, if it is in fact a ring at all.

So I guess we know what Hays left in the woods. And possibly why Amelia left.

I'm still on the fence about West. We probably know how they got Hays to drop the investigation with threats to his family, but how did they get to West? I'm assuming the villains(can't remember the corporate guys name) got their info about James's murder from West. Did he give it freely or was he coerced or forced?

I'm not sure what the point was of the Becca Hays scene.

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We also saw why Hays was so panicked about his daughter wandering away in Walmart in 1990.  It wasn’t because of some generalized anxiety about missing kids while he was focused on the Purcell case again, it was because Hoyt had made a specific threat against his family. 

Still nothing new here, except a glimpse of a fourth timeline.  It has all been heavily foreshadowed.  We learned Mr. June’s connection to Hoyt, but that’s a minor wrap-up of loose threads.  The documentary director’s story has yet to be revealed but she is improbably well informed. 

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45 minutes ago, Iskaral Pust said:

We also saw why Hays was so panicked about his daughter wandering away in Walmart in 1990.  It wasn’t because of some generalized anxiety about missing kids while he was focused on the Purcell case again, it was because Hoyt had made a specific threat against his family. 

The Walmart thing happened before Hoyt showed up. 

 

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22 hours ago, Mark Antony said:

The music before they drag him out to that barn was fucking awesome. Really curious to see how it all wraps up. 

Yeah the music for thst scene and some earlier in the series hsve been Excellent generating s real sense of foreboding and horror. The composer needs to Score a psychological horror film.

I feel like the torture scene would have been much more powerful if they had killed him via a punctured lung/internal bleeding as the scene was really raw snd disturbing up until that point. It was something of a get out to have the kill him in "self defense".

How do they get to West? Maybe something to do with how he broke things off with his fiancé and/or threatening to out him. I half ecpected Hays to say the "F" word at West in retaliation for him thinking the "N" word. The acting was good enough in that scene that i felt all those accusations were floating around.

The "guest appearance" by rust and cohle i suspect is a red herring (it's looking like crazy bereaved mum kidnapped a replacement daughter) but if they were thinking of ways to get people interested in a fourth season having the detectives team up to finally expose the ring is one option. I'd only have Hays cameo or have him die off screen though as it's a stretch to have him active still. But west and cohle would be fun. Throw in a new younger detective for fun (maybe Hay's son?). I can't even remember if anyone survived season 2 but i doubt anyone wants to be reminded.

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2 hours ago, red snow said:

Yeah the music for thst scene and some earlier in the series hsve been Excellent generating s real sense of foreboding and horror. The composer needs to Score a psychological horror film.

I feel like the torture scene would have been much more powerful if they had killed him via a punctured lung/internal bleeding as the scene was really raw snd disturbing up until that point. It was something of a get out to have the kill him in "self defense".

How do they get to West? Maybe something to do with how he broke things off with his fiancé and/or threatening to out him. I half ecpected Hays to say the "F" word at West in retaliation for him thinking the "N" word. The acting was good enough in that scene that i felt all those accusations were floating around.

The "guest appearance" by rust and cohle i suspect is a red herring (it's looking like crazy bereaved mum kidnapped a replacement daughter) but if they were thinking of ways to get people interested in a fourth season having the detectives team up to finally expose the ring is one option. I'd only have Hays cameo or have him die off screen though as it's a stretch to have him active still. But west and cohle would be fun. Throw in a new younger detective for fun (maybe Hay's son?). I can't even remember if anyone survived season 2 but i doubt anyone wants to be reminded.

Looking at T Bone Burnett’s filmography, and I’m surprised he never has. Also, didn’t realize he’s worked with the Coen brothers a bunch.  

Colin Farrell was by far the best part of S2, and they killed his character off, so yeah, definitely don’t bring anyone else back. 

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I'm probably alone in this, but I dislike the 'look'...it lacks the baroque feel of season 1, and feels just drab and 70's toned. I agree the music is great.

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2 hours ago, Cas Stark said:

I'm probably alone in this, but I dislike the 'look'...it lacks the baroque feel of season 1, and feels just drab and 70's toned. I agree the music is great.

I think the opening credits are perhaps the strongest aspect of this season. 

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It needs a Ginger cameo. That would have been a much better s1 tie-in. Maybe him rolling out of a ditch or something.

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Sad as it is to say, because I had hoped for a S1 type of show, I am glad it's almost over. It's clear the daughter was taken for the Hoyt woman as a substitute for her dead daughter. Had figured they killed the cop who planted the evidence but wasn't confident enough to type it.

So we assume Hays backs off because Boss Hoyt (is he played by Merle from Walking Dead? Swear I saw his name in the credits) threatens his family. Did they do the same with West and maybe even kill or at least chase off his fiancee? Or did he break up with her so they couldn't use her against him.

What doesn't make sense is, if Hoyt reveals himself to be the bad guy then why are West and Hays searching his abandoned mansion in the 2015 timeline, they would already know he was the bad guy. I mean, Hays has kids and grandkids who could be killed if Hoyt or his family (or larger group of child traffickers) were still a threat right?

Also, yeah, 4th timeline, why even do that since the scene meant nothing (so far).

       

 

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