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Rick and Morty Season 3


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On 6/8/2020 at 11:07 AM, Kalbear said:

It's a show about a couple of incredibly mean spirited men who are abusive to everyone around them and have almost no consequences to any of their actions. That kind of wish fulfillment violent fantasy is going to have toxic fans emulating the kind of behavior on the show. In that way it is totally the shows fault. 

Though the consequences for their shitty behavior has been escalating as the show has gone on.

 

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8 hours ago, red snow said:

It still doesn't mean that everyone who watches and enjoys the show is a toxic fan though and I'm not suggesting that's what you are saying i just think it's worth pointing out. 

No, it doesn't mean that - but it does mean that the show is responsible in some ways for its toxic fandom, just like any other show about fairly horrible behaving people is responsible in some ways. It shouldn't be a mystery that a show like Rick and Morty has some fairly horrible fans. 

A more interesting exercise is to figure out why a show like Rick and Morty has some incredibly toxic fans, and a show like BoJack Horseman - ostensibly about a similarly horrible person doing regularly horrible things - does not. My suspicion is that Bojack is sympathetic, but no one actually wants to be him, and no one wants to emulate him. And eventually his consequences are completely serious and horrible. That isn't the case with Rick. Even when he's attempting to commit suicide it's a cool, drama-laden sweet overture with an awesome song, and he's sad because the entire planet he's been banging rejected him.

6 hours ago, A True Kaniggit said:

Though the consequences for their shitty behavior has been escalating as the show has gone on.

I don't think that's really true at all. In this season Rick destroyed a couple of worlds just to get Morty to give up on his dreams. Rick and Morty then went on a purge wiping out an actually peaceful civilization at the time and sending them back to the stone age of shitting eggs. The last episode's consequences is that the family now has two Beths, both are cooler than they were before, and Rick is a smidgen sadder for about 10 minutes, while he attempts to bring his best friend back to life.

I'm not saying that the show should change or has to change at all - but I also don't think the show is particularly changing in any ways that are meaningful. 

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3 minutes ago, Kalbear said:

A more interesting exercise is to figure out why a show like Rick and Morty has some incredibly toxic fans, and a show like BoJack Horseman - ostensibly about a similarly horrible person doing regularly horrible things - does not. My suspicion is that Bojack is sympathetic, but no one actually wants to be him, and no one wants to emulate him. And eventually his consequences are completely serious and horrible. That isn't the case with Rick. Even when he's attempting to commit suicide it's a cool, drama-laden sweet overture with an awesome song, and he's sad because the entire planet he's been banging rejected him.

This is a really good point. The tone of the two shows is so different I never thought to compare them. They're even both about alcoholics. Bojack was such a great show I'm still pissed they cancelled it even though the ending was pretty perfect. 

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On 6/9/2020 at 1:37 PM, Soylent Brown said:

Not even lasting through a single episode is giving up pretty quick!

Yeah, that's why I intend to go back to it.  I just wasn't feeling it when I was watching the first episode and so I switched over to something else.  I'll give it a real chance after I finish my rewatch of Dark. 

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12 hours ago, RumHam said:

This is a really good point. The tone of the two shows is so different I never thought to compare them. They're even both about alcoholics. Bojack was such a great show I'm still pissed they cancelled it even though the ending was pretty perfect. 

I also admit that's a good point and it does differentiate from several other shows eg Sopranos and Breaking Bad - where I'd hope no-one actually wants to be Tony Soprano or Walter White (I always appreciated Walter White's arc as I initially wanted him to succeed and stick it to everyone to actively wanting to see him topple)

I'm not aware of any toxic fandom issues with "sunny in Philadelphia" either and I'd be amazed if anyone wants to be like them either but the difference there is I guess it isn't wish fulfilment to want to be any of those characters while there probably is an element of it with Rick who is basically a god.

19 hours ago, A True Kaniggit said:

Though the consequences for their shitty behavior has been escalating as the show has gone on.

 

There are hints, like at the end of the season, that it's started to weigh on Rick but it's more like he's broken/given up and that's why he's such a dick. It feels like we've missed (or I have) some event in the show that has turned him into an entirely mean individual. It felt like in the first two seasons he was trying to teach Morty to be a bit of a maverick and be anti-establishment. 

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9 hours ago, red snow said:

I'm not aware of any toxic fandom issues with "sunny in Philadelphia" either and I'd be amazed if anyone wants to be like them either but the difference there is I guess it isn't wish fulfilment to want to be any of those characters while there probably is an element of it with Rick who is basically a god.

Right, the gang is hilarious but pathetic and the show never lets you forget that. (Though Charlie and Frank at least seem happy with their lives.) Rick is cool. Tony Soprano was cool too and I think a lot of people were maybe a bit too fond of him, myself included. But he was a much more developed character than Rick, and we saw him struggle a lot more mentally even if he was a sociopath. He also made a lot more mistakes than Rick. 

I thought the main problem with the fandom was people being like "you have to be really smart to enjoy rick and morty properly" but admittedly I've seen that parodied more than I've actually seen it. 

Anyway I still think the show is hilarious and plan to finish watching it. I can't always get the episodes to play on adultswim.com (which sounds like a strange porno site out of context.) 

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I actually managed to finish Solar Opposites. It got a lot better than I had initially anticipated. The pilot is by far the worst episode. One weird thing about the series to me is that the protagonists are really not that interesting. The episodes that center mostly on them are the dullest while 

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this show really comes to live within the wall.

 

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12 hours ago, Veltigar said:

I actually managed to finish Solar Opposites. It got a lot better than I had initially anticipated. The pilot is by far the worst episode. One weird thing about the series to me is that the protagonists are really not that interesting. The episodes that center mostly on them are the dullest while 

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this show really comes to live within the wall.

 

That's how I felt - to the point they may as well just make a show about that

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2 hours ago, red snow said:

That's how I felt - to the point they may as well just make a show about that

I would dig that! There were some genuinely heartbreaking moments in there.

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The main arc in Rick and Morty is that every member of the familiy is getting more trigger happy and more morderous with every season. Even Jerry seems to enjoy killing sprees now. 

Rick makes the kind of mistakes that get him killed all the time. It is just the kind of setting were death is not really that important. He is only alive because the backups of other Ricks work for him.

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On 6/15/2020 at 11:11 AM, Veltigar said:

I would dig that! There were some genuinely heartbreaking moments in there.

I think the show/writers work far better as a surreal but serious dramedy. They should definitely do a cut of the show that's just the miniature elements and see how that flies as a show.

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