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3 hours ago, Buckwheat said:

Nah, your flat updates are what keeps the thread alive these days. ;)

Of course. I do not think anybody here disagrees.

Wizard Etsy shop is totally something Molly would do.

I think there must be a wizard university, Hogwarts is like high school for them. When Harry was considering becoming an auror, he was told that there is a three-year additional training for that. So I assume there must be different programmes depending on what you want to become. :read:

I was wondering what children do until they are 11 and they go off to Hogwarts. Do they just go to muggle school? If not, how do they convince the muggle society around them that they are not irresponsible parents who don't want their children educated? Is homeschooling common enough in Britain to convince them of that? There does not seem to be a wizard primary school, which is odd.

Okay, now to the other topics ... why are you still not watching Crazy Ex? :P I am obsessed with this show now.

Yeah, right! There was an auror course! So there must be a wizard college.Ā 

I kinda thought they all went to Muggle preschools because they weren't really allowed to practice their magic anyway, not until hogwarts. Dunno.Ā 

I don't know, actually. I will watch it after I'm done with the 100.Ā 

9 hours ago, Lady Olenna said:

The last 3 episodes of jack taylor were not worth watching. Boo. Now on to finding the next show...

Stay-at-home momming was the absolute hardest job I've ever had and I've had some grueling jobs. It's so much more work than "work". But also much more rewarding, imo. I had to go back to work because my son needed a very, very structured learning environment that I wasn't able to provide on my own. Now that we've moved and I'm looking for work again, it amazes me how quickly the day flies by. I don't get nearly as much done as I want to.Ā 

Yeah, I agree with all that, even though I can't base my opinion on experience.Ā 

2 hours ago, HelenaExMachina said:

I think Season three starts next month!

There are clearly many elements of her world JK Rowling did not think through fully :PĀ Although, being set in the 90s (I think?) makes things a little more understandable. Otherwise people from the local councils would be making visits to wizarding families demanding to know why little Luna wasn't in school today?

Also, maybe Molly did badly in her OWLs and NEWTs. Or simply decided she would rather stay at home. And as far as Hogwarts being a boarding school, it is only during the Chamber of Secrets that she finally has no children to look after throughout the year. Presumably she looked after and perhaps home-schooled them until Hogwarts. I imagine in old wizarding families like theirs that would be the common approach. I think some families would probably send them to Muggle school though. Oh, and the Weasleys are obviously known in their local area. In Goblet of Fire Fred and George go to the village to show a muggle girl their card tricks that are "almost like real magic." So I guess there is some cover story about boarding school and home schooling.

On a related note, hem practising Quidditch has to be one of the most stupid things possible in terms of avoiding detection if there is a village only a short walk away. You know what people do in rural villages? Go for walks!

Just think, that is potentially 20+ years since she last held a job. It can be difficult enough for women to return to work after one child, but Molly took a significant portion of her life and devoted it to her children. That creates a lot of barriers if she should want to return to work.

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while we are Harry Potter speculating, I wonder what happened to Mrs Weasley's side of the family. Do we ever meet them? Or are they all from Arthur's side?

Those are really cool and interesting thoughts on these Harry Potter matters!Ā 

I have a vague memory of someone mentioning that that don't really keep in touch with them... around Fleur and Bill's wedding maybe? Not sure at all.Ā 

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2 hours ago, RhaenysB said:

Yeah, right! There was an auror course! So there must be a wizard college.Ā 

Unless it's more like an apprenticeship, run by the aurors themselves? It seems unlikely that there could be anything like a muggle university in the wizarding world without it ever being mentioned at Hogwarts. Hermione at least certainly should have had plans to go there if there was.

2 hours ago, RhaenysB said:

I kinda thought they all went to Muggle preschools because they weren't really allowed to practice their magic anyway, not until hogwarts.

Most of the wizards are comically ignorant of the muggle world, though, which doesn't seem plausible if they're actively involved in it up to age ten.

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8 hours ago, Buckwheat said:

I think so too! Do we have a thread about it on here?

How did the 90s differ from the 2010s in this regard? I would assume local councils would do that in the 90s too.

Also, some cover story about board school and home schooling, and maybe a healthy does of confundus charm? If that is not illegal though.

I think one of the characters even said that was dangerous ... or am I making stuff up?

Yes, I agree that after so many years away from the workforce, it would be very hard if she tried to enter it again.

Molly had a muggle uncle, who was an accountant. Also one of the Weasley boys inherited a watch from Molly's uncle Fabian or something like that? Now that I think of it, I do not remember Arthur's family members being mentioned.

I am not even sure whose side of the family Muriel was from. Was she Molly's or Arthur's aunt?

Oh come on, everyone wishes for a Hogwarts letter, admit it. ;)

No thread I don't think. But, it only really got picked up outside of the U.S. after season 2 finished, so I plan to start one ;)Ā I know several people on the board watch it now, and have discussed it in the "watching..." thread before.

Well regulations become stricter over time. The age for compulsory schooling increases (it is now 17 I think). The advance of technology too would make it much easier to track school attendance, what children are in the area of school age and so on. I mean, up until I was 11 we still had registration taken on paper to be recorded by the school office. Whereas by the time I left secondary school at 16 if you failed to show up for class they could quite easily send a text within five minutes to inform your parents and either have them ring in to say you were sick or inform them you are off skiving.Ā 

Yes, I was thinking of Muriel when I asked that. I somehow thought she was Arthur's aunt but I don't think it's mentioned. Actually, I have some vague memory that Arthur and Molly are distant cousins (I think when Sirius talks about the pure bloods all being related somehow) so it's entirely possible she is both of their aunts. Yes I think I did just answer my own question...

i think it is Harry who gets Fabian's watch

2 hours ago, felice said:

Unless it's more like an apprenticeship, run by the aurors themselves? It seems unlikely that there could be anything like a muggle university in the wizarding world without it ever being mentioned at Hogwarts. Hermione at least certainly should have had plans to go there if there was.

Most of the wizards are comically ignorant of the muggle world, though, which doesn't seem plausible if they're actively involved in it up to age ten.

Maybe like a training contract for a lawyer?Ā 

I agree that it seems unlikely there is a wizarding university given that it's not mentioned at all, even when they all discuss their future career paths in OotP. NEWTs seem to be the highest possible exam qualification.Ā 

Good point re: ignorance of muggles. Home schooling seems more likely, though it does make you wonder how Hermione stood out so much as being so far ahead when she had like 3 months a time best to learn before arriving, and many others had their entire childhood.

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more random thoughts; did Hermione's letter arrive by standard post, and did someone from Hogwarts come out to explain things to her parents? I feel it is mentioned somewhere that they do this kind of thing for those with muggle parents but not sure. Anyway, I kind of want to know how they would react now

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12 hours ago, felice said:

Unless it's more like an apprenticeship, run by the aurors themselves? It seems unlikely that there could be anything like a muggle university in the wizarding world without it ever being mentioned at Hogwarts. Hermione at least certainly should have had plans to go there if there was.

Most of the wizards are comically ignorant of the muggle world, though, which doesn't seem plausible if they're actively involved in it up to age ten.

That's a fair point. But it seems so weird that while I rotted in the education system for 17 years, wizardsĀ get away with a mere 7 years...Ā 

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On 8. 9. 2017 at 8:28 PM, RhaenysB said:

I kinda thought they all went to Muggle preschools because they weren't really allowed to practice their magic anyway, not until hogwarts. Dunno.

I used to think so too at some point, but like felice said, they do not seem to know enough about the muggle world for this to be logical. Apparently they were just at home until the age of 11, which is odd, actually.

23 hours ago, felice said:

Unless it's more like an apprenticeship, run by the aurors themselves? It seems unlikely that there could be anything like a muggle university in the wizarding world without it ever being mentioned at Hogwarts. Hermione at least certainly should have had plans to go there if there was.

I still think there must be something like a university or even just university-like programmes. There are specialised disciplines of magic lore, like magical law and healing, which would correspond to muggle law and medicine ... surely they demand some thorough education to practise.

20 hours ago, HelenaExMachina said:

No thread I don't think. But, it only really got picked up outside of the U.S. after season 2 finished, so I plan to start one ;)Ā I know several people on the board watch it now, and have discussed it in the "watching..." thread before.

Excellent, looking forward to discuss it as it goes. ;)

20 hours ago, HelenaExMachina said:

Well regulations become stricter over time. The age for compulsory schooling increases (it is now 17 I think). The advance of technology too would make it much easier to track school attendance, what children are in the area of school age and so on. I mean, up until I was 11 we still had registration taken on paper to be recorded by the school office. Whereas by the time I left secondary school at 16 if you failed to show up for class they could quite easily send a text within five minutes to inform your parents and either have them ring in to say you were sick or inform them you are off skiving.

Yes, all of that makes sense. Although even in the 90s (and, yes, even earlier than that), there were registries of people living in a region and compulsory schooling, so even then, the local councils or social services or whoever would have noticed parents not sending children to school.

20 hours ago, HelenaExMachina said:

Yes, I was thinking of Muriel when I asked that. I somehow thought she was Arthur's aunt but I don't think it's mentioned. Actually, I have some vague memory that Arthur and Molly are distant cousins (I think when Sirius talks about the pure bloods all being related somehow) so it's entirely possible she is both of their aunts. Yes I think I did just answer my own question...

Brrrr. That makes me uncomfortable.

20 hours ago, HelenaExMachina said:

i think it is Harry who gets Fabian's watch

Right, thanks for this info.

20 hours ago, HelenaExMachina said:

Maybe like a training contract for a lawyer?Ā 

I agree that it seems unlikely there is a wizarding university given that it's not mentioned at all, even when they all discuss their future career paths in OotP. NEWTs seem to be the highest possible exam qualification.Ā 

Good point re: ignorance of muggles. Home schooling seems more likely, though it does make you wonder how Hermione stood out so much as being so far ahead when she had like 3 months a time best to learn before arriving, and many others had their entire childhood.

I think it is unlikely that NEWTs are the highest qualification because they are really on the level of high school ending exams ... not differentiated enough to prepare you for all possible career paths.

On the other hand, the wizarding community is so small that everybody has gone to the same high school. So, um, who would even enter those various college programmes.

Hermione arriving with so much knowledge to Hogwarts is very illogical.

20 hours ago, HelenaExMachina said:

more random thoughts; did Hermione's letter arrive by standard post, and did someone from Hogwarts come out to explain things to her parents? I feel it is mentioned somewhere that they do this kind of thing for those with muggle parents but not sure. Anyway, I kind of want to know how they would react now

It is mentioned that Dumbledore came and explained everything to her parents.

I assume they sent out different teachers to different muggle families to explain these things. Although it makes you wonder why they would send Hagrid to the Dursleys, whom they knew were distrusting of wizardry in the first place. They might have sent Minerva or somebody else whom the Dursley might take more seriously as a conversation partner.

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A Song of Rhaenys and Furniture - ChapterĀ 273628.Ā 

I built my vanity, but there's some problem with one of the handles that are supposed to hold mirror. It's partly my screw-up because when I felt like the screws were loose I took them out and redid them which of course only made them more loose. So now the handle is too unstable to attach the mirror. I'm hoping that a skilled male hand can fix this, I think we should just drill a hole into the handle from the bottom side and put some new screws there (but I don't have a drill, so I'm waiting a skilled, drill owning male hand). And if it can't be fixed for some reason, I'll buy a larger mirror and just hang it on the wall above the vanity. I can still repaint the frame of this mirror and hang it on any wallĀ as decor.Ā 

The white knobs I bought don't go at all, too much white. So I'll be repainting them with black nail polish tomorrow. They will be perfect that way. And if not I'll get black ones from the store.Ā 

So it's 90% ready. But I'm done for today, I'm so dead. I went to a designer furniture store and didn't buy anything because stuff is ugly and the salesperson was insanely rude and why would I buy an ugly sofaĀ from a rude man for fifteen hundred euros? It was a waste of time. Theeen I had that lovely hazardous waste drop-off trip and drooled over the hill villas which I'll never be able to afford. Then I went to the old flat, cleaned the kitchen and the bathroom and covered the furniture with foil. I'll be getting it painted next week hopefully. Then I came home and built the vanity. And now I'm dead.Ā 

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Things I learned from moving house:Ā 

-payĀ people to pack and move your stuff

-payĀ people to clean the flatsĀ 

-do NOT pay people to "help" you buy furniture

-be decisiveĀ 

-plan ahead

-don't trust Ikea

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47 minutes ago, Buckwheat said:

Brrrr. That makes me uncomfortable.

You're expressing concern about distant cousins getting married on an aSoIaF forum? :P

47 minutes ago, Buckwheat said:

I assume they sent out different teachers to different muggle families to explain these things. Although it makes you wonder why they would send Hagrid to the Dursleys, whom they knew were distrusting of wizardry in the first place.

They assumed the sister of a former Hogwarts student wouldn't need a great deal of explaining, compared to muggle families with no prior knowledge of the existence of magic at all? Certainly most of the staff at Hogwarts had no idea how badly they were treating Harry, and as I recall sending him the standard letter was a mistake (though I'm not entirely certain that comes from canon).

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11 hours ago, felice said:

You're expressing concern about distant cousins getting married on an aSoIaF forum? :P

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I don't think Buckle is very tolerant of Targaryen marriage practices.

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Also is there a Harry Potter style tv show out or something as I'm not sure what most of you are talking about and I have read the books and seen the films, although admittedly some time ago now :P.

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17 hours ago, felice said:

You're expressing concern about distant cousins getting married on an aSoIaF forum? :P

Yes. As the Sith lady says, I do not approve of Targaryen marriages. Seeing how these turned out, maybe I am not all wrong in that. ;)

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They assumed the sister of a former Hogwarts student wouldn't need a great deal of explaining, compared to muggle families with no prior knowledge of the existence of magic at all? Certainly most of the staff at Hogwarts had no idea how badly they were treating Harry, and as I recall sending him the standard letter was a mistake (though I'm not entirely certain that comes from canon).

Maybe not explaining, but certainly convincing - at the very least Dumbledore and McGonnagall knew about the situation. McGonnagall described the Dursleys as muggles of the worst kind in the first chapter. And Mrs. Figg was reporting to someone, I assume Dumbledore. I also expect there were other people controlling Harry, not just her.

I do not remember that about the letter at all.

3 hours ago, HelenaExMachina said:

@Buckwheat!

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Wiiiii! :wub: The next season will be soooo crazy.

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42 minutes ago, Buckwheat said:

Yes. As the Sith lady says, I do not approve of Targaryen marriages. Seeing how these turned out, maybe I am not all wrong in that. ;)

Some of the Targaryen marriages produced some of the best rulers Westeros had though, like Maegor.

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I feel kind of conflicted about the whole Dany Jon thing. But, from what we've seen, they kind of suck at the whooptiedoo anyway so they may not stay together for very long...

(which is weird since both of them had some skill with others lol)

Anyway I'm on the Torenne train and they should adopt Arya. Ā [/spoilerĀ 

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29 minutes ago, Buckwheat said:

I do not remember Aegon III ... :idea: But I know you are like Barney Stinson when it comes to judging fictional characters. :P

Aegon the dragon bane, his reign saw the dragons die out, that is more unforgivable than anything that any other king has done in the series (yes even Joffrey)

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