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'Watchmen' TV Series From Damon Lindelof on HBO {SPOILERS FROM PAGE 8}

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16 hours ago, Raja said:

As an aside - what did those of you who haven't read the comics make of the Jeremy Irons & Dr. Manhattan 'play'? I'm honestly curious about how the show works for people who haven't read the comics or watched the movie.

As someone who has seen the Snyder film a few times but not ready the comics closely I didn't have any particular read on the play but do have a question stemming from it that's intriguing to me as a viewer which is why is Veidt this interested in Dr. M to be carrying on like this?  

Also, unless I missed it I don't think that I had any idea before the play's aftermath that his assistants were something closer to flesh-and-blood genetic human clones as opposed to cyborgs or something, so the casualness with which Veidt blows up one of the Mr. Philips like that is quite something.

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16 hours ago, Raja said:

As an aside - what did those of you who haven't read the comics make of the Jeremy Irons & Dr. Manhattan 'play'? I'm honestly curious about how the show works for people who haven't read the comics or watched the movie.

I thought the whole play scene was hilarious, but I've always really liked Jeremy Irons (clothed!).  I have seen the movie but haven't read the comics.

7 hours ago, RumHam said:

I think of the original Minutemen they're focusing on him for now because they're gonna reveal he is Angela's grandfather.  

This seems to be the obvious assumption to make.  Then again, this is Lindelof, so the obvious assumption should actually NOT be the obvious assumption.  K I'll stop before I make my head hurt.

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Yeah, I think Will being the Hooded Justice and painting his eyes white (in the same way Sister Night paints them black) is going to happen. He watched the movie early on, had a feeling that justice needed to be hooded because a black man could never do that sort of thing, had a deep vibe of needing to do that, etc.

It makes sense, and I hope that is where they're going. It nicely ties in with how the sins of our fathers make us and carry forward, it is reasonably hinted at, and it's a nice twist on the original Watchmen. 

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3 hours ago, Kalbear said:

Per the supplementary material, Dan Dreiberg is locked up and has been since 1995 for not obeying the Keene act. 

supplementary material?.... where can i find this? .... why did i not know about this? .... what is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow? 

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26 minutes ago, Martini Sigil said:

supplementary material?.... where can i find this? .... why did i not know about this? .... what is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow? 

https://www.hbo.com/peteypedia

They seem to be updating it after each episode. fun fact: Judd Crawford served in Vietnam under Robert Mueller. 

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Ezra Klein is Redford's press secretary, apparently, according to the article about how Veidt's declared dead (after a 7 year global search).

ETA:  Man, some of this stuff is fun.  Question about Rorchach's journal:  is it basically accurate in all it's claims in the comic?  I'm reading the memo from that supplemental material and thinking how amazing this memo is assuming that, whatever one says about Rorchach, his journal was actually spot on in terms of the history of events it gets into.

Passages likes this:

 

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The basis for their views on both Kovacs and Veidt is “Rorschach’s Journal,” a document that has become so ridiculously easy to dismiss as bogus and lunatic that we tend to underestimate its insidious power, if anyone here understands it at all. This memo provides a comprehensive education, offers a sobering threat assessment, and proposes an alternative course of action that should mitigate negative ramifications. Please consider forwarding this summary of facts to anyone who needs it.

 

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What a weird episode. I was thinking maybe Dr. Manhattan has Veidt in some kind of prison or something, but I’m probably just overthinking his obsessive madness. 

They also mentioned Dr. M not being able to mimic human form more than once this episode. Interesting.

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My crackpot: Veidt has determined that the problem with humans is that they largely suck. He is attempting to replace humans with something more tractable and reasonable and less prone to the excesses of bigotry and violence. He doesn't have robots - he has an army of clones. 

They are still quite disappointing, but he's working on it. 

I am hoping that while not everything gets wrapped up, because it's based on Watchmen - which resolved pretty much everything it revealed - Lindelof will not be prone to his mysterious mystery of bullshit that he tends to do. 

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So when that magnet picked up Will Reeves, I assumed it was the owl ship. Like from the terrible sex scene in the movie. But I've seen a few reviews call it a UFO and while that is technically correct....come on. Night Owl III. 

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Only half way through episode 2 as had WiFi outage but I'm intrigued by the show so far. I absolutely love the costume design for regina king's character and "glass". It's also an interesting spin having costumed police (top10 sort of did this but they had powers).

I also appreciate it shining a light on the tulsa massacre. I have to admit having to look it up as i wasn't sure it was fictional history for the show but the wiki entry got me up to speed and I'm pleased the show is making it an important part of the plot as it fits really well with the story and is an event (at least international) audiences need to know about. It's always scary when events seem so far fetched (aerial attacks from planes!)and nasty they seem like fiction.

I also like the tv show about the original minutemen. So far lindelof is following through on his claim this is a remix as it's not a remake but maintains a lot of the spirit of the comic without being derivative

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10 hours ago, Kalbear said:

I am hoping that while not everything gets wrapped up, because it's based on Watchmen - which resolved pretty much everything it revealed - Lindelof will not be prone to his mysterious mystery of bullshit that he tends to do.  

Based on the leftovers & lost, I wouldn't expect everything to be wrapped up in a nice little bow. I would imagine the show will care more about it's characters & their arcs through the season as opposed to tying all it's loose ends. The Leftovers had a very nice balance in terms of pay off & leaving some things up to the viewer, I'm hoping watchmen will follow a similar trajectory.

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1 hour ago, red snow said:

Only half way through episode 2 as had WiFi outage but I'm intrigued by the show so far. I absolutely love the costume design for regina king's character and "glass". It's also an interesting spin having costumed police (top10 sort of did this but they had powers).

Same, they're fantastic. The former feels like managing to make a video game look actually look as fantastic irl as in the game without actually being that.

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Speaking of Glass, Tim Blake Nelson has been great in his limited role so far. Between this, and Ballad of Buster Scruggs, it’s nice to see him in some good stuff again. 

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1 hour ago, karaddin said:

Same, they're fantastic. The former feels like managing to make a video game look actually look as fantastic irl as in the game without actually being that.

It's not often i think of awards for cosrune department but the "nun" outfit is iconic. Like you say the cloak works in action too do great design unless it's post production.

I suspect it will be a popular outfit next Halloween.

 

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14 hours ago, Kalbear said:

My crackpot: Veidt has determined that the problem with humans is that they largely suck. He is attempting to replace humans with something more tractable and reasonable and less prone to the excesses of bigotry and violence. He doesn't have robots - he has an army of clones. 

They are still quite disappointing, but he's working on it. 

I am hoping that while not everything gets wrapped up, because it's based on Watchmen - which resolved pretty much everything it revealed - Lindelof will not be prone to his mysterious mystery of bullshit that he tends to do. 

I can't speak to Lindelof directly. I tried The Leftovers but it didn't stick. 

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I'm starting to fall into the camp of Irons perhaps being Manhattan instead of Veidt. It would play to the misdirect [Dr Manhattan can't look human] and there was that particular look of, I'm not 100 on what the expression was, that Irons had at the point of the performance when the players were discussing... was it Manhattan's boredom or the monotony of essential godhood or something? I might need a rewatch.    

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A question.

The squid falls originate in another dimension.

So does Lovecrafts supreme horror Cthulu, iic.

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Description. In "The Call of Cthulhu", H. P. Lovecraft describes a statue of Cthulhu as "A monster of vaguely anthropoid outline, but with an octopus-like head whose face was a mass of feelers, a scaly, rubbery-looking body, prodigious claws on hind and fore feet, and long, narrow wings behind."

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Description. Squid are cephalopods in the superorder Decapodiformes with elongated bodies, large eyes, eight arms and two tentacles. Like all other cephalopods, squid have a distinct head, bilateral symmetry, and a mantle. ... 

So was the squid fall in the 'book' a shout-out to the metaphotical, ultimate horror of Cthulu? which, when the HBO Watchmen opens we see true horror, the Tulsa massacre, that nothing we imagine is as much a horror as what humans do?

Of course, the reek from the bitty squiddies falls must truly be a horror.

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36 minutes ago, Zorral said:

A question.

The squid falls originate in another dimension.

So does Lovecrafts supreme horror Cthulu, iic.

So was the squid fall in the 'book' a shout-out to the metaphotical, ultimate horror of Cthulu? which, when the HBO Watchmen opens we see true horror, the Tulsa massacre, that nothing we imagine is as much a horror as what humans do?

Of course, the reek from the bitty squiddies falls must truly be a horror.

Well, in the book it wasn't a real entity per se. The Squid was engineered by Veidt and then teleported. It caused a lot of damag[E] to effect a [temporary?] unification of the human world against the perceived threat of an alien interdimensional invasion. Seeing as how Veidt's teleportation technology wasn't precise, perhaps Linedlof has imaginatively extrapolated that to the creation of the squid rain-- a kind of random, teleportational/quantum type bifurcation branching off the initial event... or something. 

 

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3 hours ago, JEORDHl said:

I can't speak to Lindelof directly. I tried The Leftovers but it didn't stick.

Out of curiosity, how far into it did you get?

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17 minutes ago, JEORDHl said:

Well, in the book it wasn't a real entity per se. The Squid was engineered by Veidt and then teleported. It caused a lot of damag to effect a [temporary?] unification of the human world against the perceived threat of an alien interdimensional invasion. Seeing as how Veidt's teleportation technology wasn't precise, perhaps Linedlof has imaginatively extrapolated that to the creation of the squid rain-- a kind of random, teleportational/quantum type bifurcation branching off the initial event... or something. 

 

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So could this be a shout-out to the Cthulu horror / horror of humanity for whatever metaphor, symbol, fun, etc. on the part of the creatives?  :cheers:

Ya, I had a period of sleeplessness and this is what spitzles in what passes as a brain at such times.

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