[Spoilers] Rant and Rave without Repercussion

[Rhodan]

Speaking about Euron - did I hear right he called himself - "Lord of the Iron islands"? Was it mistake or is he thinks that he can fool somebody?  

[chasing the dragons]

Did I miss something? How did Jorah, vanquished by Dany, without money but with greyscale make it on to a ship back to westeros and to the citadel. I didn't think greyscale was so rare the citadel would use resources to house greyscale patients.  (is it Grayscale in America lol) 

[Le Cygne]

4 hours ago, teemo said:

Yep, even worse than a hypocrite....makes zero sense.  The actress is out of her depth too.

Ditto. She makes no sense, and she's behaving really badly, and proper behavior is supposed to be something she knows about, and she just comes off like everything she complains about, disloyal, traitorous, stupid, etc.

Lyanna is younger and she is more of a lady and adult. At least she knows when to speak and when not to speak, and what king means, and actually offers advice instead of saying "I know him" or "I know her."

[Dolorous Gabe]

I felt like they have cheapened the words "the north remembers" so much that when it finally genuinely does mean something, it falls like a damp squib.

Also, why did they want to draw a comparison between Sansa and Arya as a pair of smirking psychopaths? Arya's smirk walking away from the poisoning of Freys seemed like a deliberate choice to mirror Sansa's smirk when walking away from Ramsay being eaten by his dogs. Should we expect them to bond over such behaviour if they ever meet again?

[chasing the dragons]

Samwell Tarley, why haven't you lost any weight?  I can understand why he arrived at the wall a bit overweight. Family had the means to serve second and third helpings to a book loving, chair sitting son. However, not soon after he arrived at the wall the pounds should've been melting off.Then at the citadel, they make it a point to show the slop food and Sam gagging at the small of chamber pots. What human wouldn't have dropped 20-30 lbs in that time?

 

[SuperMario]

I am going to ask it every episode until something is done......but.....Why is Littlefinger still alive?

[SuperMario]

12 minutes ago, chasing the dragons said:

Samwell Tarley, why haven't you lost any weight?  I can understand why he arrived at the wall a bit overweight. Family had the means to serve second and third helpings to a book loving, chair sitting son. However, not soon after he arrived at the wall the pounds should've been melting off.Then at the citadel, they make it a point to show the slop food and Sam gagging at the small of chamber pots. What human wouldn't have dropped 20-30 lbs in that time?

 

I would have thought Sam's lost weight went to Gilly's baby since they finally decided to have the baby age up but it went from zero growth in 3 seasons to jumping to a full toddler in the matter of a few scenes. Pretty impressive!

[Nerevanin]

- lucky Thoros that there were two shovels in a perfect shape in the farm so he could help The Hound

- I actually laughed at how they didn't have the nerve to show how Meera pulled Bran across all those miles alone without being caught by White Walkers

- not a single soul in Dragonstone. Because all the common folk just decided to leave their homes because Stannis made a trip far North...

- killing Freys was a bit underwhelming and very predictable from the second Walder appears on screen "alive"...

- the endless scene with Sam ranging books, cleaning sh*t, and serving food.

- Euron is quite bland and wierd. Not in a good way.

- they really should let the Tormund-Brienne romance go...

[Lord Varys]

Does it make any sense that Dany, coming with such a huge fleet, is landing on Dragonstone instead of, you know, attacking KL directly?

I can see that her making Dragonstone her main base of operations during the Second Dance in the books, with Aegon controlling KL and she controlling Dragonstone, just as it was with Aegon II and Rhaenyra during the original Dance.

But as a stratagem this only makes sense if her enormous armada suffers a huge blow while moving to Westeros - which it did not in the show. In the books she might be attacked by Euron in the Stepstones, or even around Lys, resulting in many of her ships landing all over the along the shores of Dorne, the Stormlands, Crownlands, etc.

But while she still has supreme naval power she has no reason not move immediately against KL, especially not if her enemy is Cersei Lannister.

Now, with King Aegon VI Targaryen - who may or may not be her own nephew - it makes sense that she would not want to escalate violence from the start and first try to reach some sort of peaceful solution to the mess they are in. They tried to do that - sort of - even at the outbreak of the original Dance, and the people involved in that war really hated each other (which isn't something we can expect from Dany-Aegon in the books.

So it could make sense that she does not push her advantage is strongly as she could upon her arrival in Westeros if he main potential enemy is Aegon. Even more so if she knows about the threat of the Others by this point in the books - which she most likely will due to meeting with Marwyn.

But with Cersei/Jaime for her enemies this just doesn't make any sense.

In fact, I think we have to switch Aegon for Cersei here, and Jaime also being at Aegon's side in the books. Cersei will be with Euron at this point, on a mission of total destruction.

[divica]

Nobody talks about the friendliest soldiers in the world? I found it so strange that a group of soldiers with little food sees a girl riding alone and asks her to join them...

What does euron hope to gain with cersei? It is questionable if she will be able to get pregnant again, she is only quuen of kl, westerlands and stormlands only and because the show doesn t care about about the stormlands...

After the freys deaths edmure should be lord of the riverlands again and would join with the starks against the lannisters. Basically the best prospect for him is join the north, vale and riverlands.

What is the vale doing in winterfell? they are on hollidays? they aren t under jon's rule, they aren t helping against the ww, they are only watching the show??? seriously what are they doing there?

 

[SuperMario]

Well, if Dany attacked KL immediately then we couldn't have that emotionally empty moment of her walking all over Dragonstone.

[Le Cygne]

2 hours ago, OldGimletEye said:

Yeah, I found Sandra publicly disagreeing with Jon to have been extremely annoying. D & D probably thought it was “empowering”, I found it to be reckless and undisciplined. Anyone that has worked for somebody else knows, it’s generally not a wise idea to disagree with the boss in public. Expressing concerns privately is one thing, but disagreeing in public, usually is not wise.

Sandra comes off like Fredo trying to defend Moe Greene. Jon should pull a Michael Corleone.

And then there is Sandra saying, “she learned a lot” from Carol. Like what? Arrogance? Incompetence? Smirking? This is the result, I feel of two factors. One is the white washing of Cersei and the other is the butchery of Sansa’s character.

Kit said in an interview Sandra will make "not-so-honorable-decisions" this season, so they seem to be setting this up (assuming they think not being honorable is wrong, which is a big assumption).

At least Jon was audience proxy when she called him Joffrey, and said she learned something from Cersei. But then when she said "Littlefinger saved us" if only Brienne had said HE SOLD YOU TO THE BOLTONS.

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Yeah, I found the repetition about the crappy nature of Sam’s duties to have been extremely annoying. I was watching it, thinking, “uh, I think we got it.” Waste of time. With only 13 episodes left they don’t have much time to waste.

Yeah, why is BatFinger telling Sandra about the Brienne & Hound fight. Why hasn’t Brienne come clean about her encounter with Arya and Sandor? Good job Brienne. The “Voldemort Keeper of the Secrets” act doesn’t reflect well upon you.

I'm just guessing that since LF said "I heard" about the Hound, and no one else knows but Pod, that Pod was boasting about it again. They called out in the script that Sandor is stronger than her but weakened from the bite.

At this point, I'm hoping that's actually a plot point. Brienne gets all cocky thinking she can beat him when he's well, and he trounces her. Brienne never owned up to turning away to avenge her crush, either.

[divica]

9 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

Does it make any sense that Dany, coming with such a huge fleet, is landing on Dragonstone instead of, you know, attacking KL directly?

I can see that her making Dragonstone her main base of operations during the Second Dance in the books, with Aegon controlling KL and she controlling Dragonstone, just as it was with Aegon II and Rhaenyra during the original Dance.

But as a stratagem this only makes sense if her enormous armada suffers a huge blow while moving to Westeros - which it did not in the show. In the books she might be attacked by Euron in the Stepstones, or even around Lys, resulting in many of her ships landing all over the along the shores of Dorne, the Stormlands, Crownlands, etc.

But while she still has supreme naval power she has no reason not move immediately against KL, especially not if her enemy is Cersei Lannister.

Now, with King Aegon VI Targaryen - who may or may not be her own nephew - it makes sense that she would not want to escalate violence from the start and first try to reach some sort of peaceful solution to the mess they are in. They tried to do that - sort of - even at the outbreak of the original Dance, and the people involved in that war really hated each other (which isn't something we can expect from Dany-Aegon in the books.

So it could make sense that she does not push her advantage is strongly as she could upon her arrival in Westeros if he main potential enemy is Aegon. Even more so if she knows about the threat of the Others by this point in the books - which she most likely will due to meeting with Marwyn.

But with Cersei/Jaime for her enemies this just doesn't make any sense.

In fact, I think we have to switch Aegon for Cersei here, and Jaime also being at Aegon's side in the books. Cersei will be with Euron at this point, on a mission of total destruction.

Jaime will either be on the Wall or dead. LS won t let him go or let him be her prisioner for long. And based on the show the BwB goes to the Wall so I could see LS escorting Jaime to the Wall to make him take the black at briennes insistence.

I think she would need to land somewhere before sailing to KL. Her dornish and reach forces aren t on the boats with her. they must be in their kingdoms... And I can t see the dothriaki being useful in a naval fight...

What I find stupid is that she could defeat cersei when she wanted and decides to go to casterly rock while her master of spies has no idea an army left it? I mean, a fucking army leaves a fortress and goes on a march and varys doesn t know?

[Le Cygne]

30 minutes ago, SuperMario said:

I am going to ask it every episode until something is done......but.....Why is Littlefinger still alive?

Good question. To keep him alive so he can be killed at the end of a season of filler.

[Granatto]

The music from this new episode was awesome! I

 I loved it, as always

[SuperMario]

3 minutes ago, Le Cygne said:

Good question. To keep him alive so he can be killed at the end of a season of filler.

Yep. I'm sure that's the right answer. So Sandra can have Arya kill him, and they can give each other matching smirks.

And Sandra is impressive. She goes from defending LF to immediately suspecting him of something more evil. Of course this is right after she calls Jon a great king/leader by immediately calling him stupid and naïve.

[Lord Varys]

8 minutes ago, SuperMario said:

Well, if Dany attacked KL immediately then we couldn't have that emotionally empty moment of her walking all over Dragonstone.

They could have put that scene into a later episode. If she gets her fleet as far as the waters around Dragonstone there is no way she could not also take them to KL (and if she had done that she could have burned Euron's entire armada at anchor, just as he once did it with the Lannister fleet).

Why not make the first episode about the gang talking on a ship, and then facing a surprise attack from the Greyjoy fleet?

As to Winterfell:

I really wonder why Littlefinger only gets around to talk to Sansa. He is an interesting character. Why not have him approach Jon for a change? I mean, the man did save Jon's ass, right?

5 minutes ago, divica said:

Jaime will either be on the Wall or dead. LS won t let him go or let him be her prisioner for long. And based on the show the BwB goes to the Wall so I could see LS escorting Jaime to the Wall to make him take the black at briennes insistence.

That isn't Jaime's story, nor the story of the outlaws following Catelyn. She is on a quest for revenge, not on quest to save anyone. A living Beric Dondarrion might do what he does in the show but Catelyn's people never will. They will cleanse the Riverlands of the Lannisters and Freys. Arya will have nothing to do with that in the books. George is never going to write as stupid scenes as we saw at the Twins this season and last.

Jaime most likely will buy back his life by helping Cat to free the hostages that are on their way to KL and by playing a role in the retaking of Riverrun. Afterwards they might hand him to Bonifer Hasty (who I think is going to lead the Holy Hundred from Harrenhal to Storm's End to do homage to Aegon there). They will consider Jaime a gift for the Targaryen pretender to help win his support in the fight against the Lannisters and Tommen in the days to come but as things turn out Aegon might end up forgiving Jaime for Aerys. After all, the man is just his grandfather, not his father, and he had severe issues with him as well as Rhaegar before his death.

5 minutes ago, divica said:

I think she would need to land somewhere before sailing to KL. Her dornish and reach forces aren t on the boats with her. they must be in their kingdoms... And I can t see the dothriaki being useful in a naval fight...

Not a naval fight. The ships serve only a troop carriers. Get the ships to the Crownlands and the KL region, empty them, and overwhelm the enemy. 

Dragonstone could also be retaken by a small contingent on the way but it is hardly necessary to settle there if you have a vast armada.

5 minutes ago, divica said:

What I find stupid is that she could defeat cersei when she wanted and decides to go to casterly rock while her master of spies has no idea an army left it? I mean, a fucking army leaves a fortress and goes on a march and varys doesn t know?

That Cersei suddenly has a huge army when pretty much nobody had an army for two seasons to challenge the sparrows (and, remember, the Lannisters are still broke and they did not blow up the Iron Bank, so they cannot hire troops, either) makes no sense whatsoever in the show.

This is another obvious hint that Cersei is going to be Aegon in the books. He'll have Dorne, the Stormlands, the Crownlands, the Golden Company, parts of the Reach and the Riverlands, and possibly even the Vale. That is going to be a lot of strength, at least in theory. Whether this can be utilized in this Second Dance thing in the middle of winter is another question.

But the only way Dany can be prevented from actually taking the Iron Throne quickly in the books will be if she is attacked by a vast armada on the way to Westeros. The fact that she might also not want to totally antagonize Aegon from the start could also slow her down somewhat.

[AWOI]

I don't recall the giant being burned - would  that possibly be why we see a giant returning with the walkers?

[SuperMario]

6 minutes ago, AWOI said:

I don't recall the giant being burned - would  that possibly be why we see a giant returning with the walkers?

Except Wun Wun died south of the wall fighting Ramsey. How would he have been turned since he died near Winterfell? Might as well have had Myrcella or Rickon as wights in the army.

[Ashes Of Westeros]

The strongest points of GoT 1-3 were the story and the dialogues. It's sad to see that the show has turned into a Frankenstein's monster put together from random pieces (mostly dead ones, hehe) using trickery: lots of blood - check, pop culture "empowerment" - check, random references to the book's parts that were missing - check.

Though I didn't find the 1 episode so cringeworthy as f.e. BoB, I felt urge to fast forward many times. While some parts felt unneccessary long (Frey killing, Sam cleaning shit) apparently to disgust a viewer as long as possible, others left huge plot holes.

When did Cersei learn about Dany coming to Westeros? It's a huge deal and a revealtion for Cersei when she thought all her enemies are gone. But she and Jamie talk about it so casually.

Sansa and Jon talking about Joffrey and Cersei was absurd too. Jon met Cersei and Joffrey once years ago in the WF and he had almost zero information what's going on in the KL. Everything he could probably learn would be from Sansa. It was never shown but somehow Jon knows the best. 

I also wonder how Emilia Clarke managed to keep the same face expression since s6? The same with Kit H. and many others. 

Somehow E Sheeran singing "The hands of gold" was the one I really enjoyed. Though the whole scene with Lannister soldiers made little sence. Soldiers greet a stranger and offer her food without asking who she is and if she's alone. You're in the middst of civil war, dudes!

The scenes with the Hound and the BwB was kind of good idea, showing the Hound's rebirth and abandoning  his past attitude. But it left more questions than answers? Why didn't the father and the dughter leave and go South? Why is it important how they died? Why didn't the BwB burn them if they know that thw WW are coming? Since when the Hound can see through fire? He used to be the most down to earth dude in the 7K?