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Hello.

Anyone think theyknow the most accurate number of forces for both Team Dany and The Lannisters?

Dany has somewhere around 90,000 Dothraki along with a couple thousand Unsullied stranded at Casterly Rock and 3 dragons of course.

While the Lannisters HAD 10,000 men, with another possible 6,000 gold cloaks at Kings Landing perhaps, right? 

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I thought the lannisters had alot more then 10,000 men. If they only had that many then why would tarly fight with them since tarly is known to be a great military mind and would see that the lannisters would be the obvious losers. That said I think they just lost ALOT of their men. The dothraki likely didn't come out unscathed and took heavy loss's. Originally dany marched out of astapor with eight thousand unsullied but after her campaigns in essos and her loss's at casterly rock it is likely less then half that.

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1 minute ago, Mihai Brasoveanu said:

Let's not forget Cersei talking about the Golden Company this season and how she will buy their support. That might balance the odds again.

I think the iron bank is gonna decline the offer to help cersei now since the lannister army just got fried by a dragon and trampeled by the dothraki. The iron bank is good at picking winners and losers and I think they are gonna take the gold and do nothing for cersei which will leave her broke and unable to pay for anything much less a giant merc company. I have said that I think the iron bank is just gonna use cersei to get alot of their gold back since in their minds it seems less likely that westero's will be stable enough to pay them back for a long time and getting their gold from a losing side will only help them. And for dany it's a win win since cersei is paying off the debt the iron throne owes and casuing cersei to lose a ton of money that could be used for her war

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2 hours ago, goomba said:

Hello.

Anyone think theyknow the most accurate number of forces for both Team Dany and The Lannisters?

Dany has somewhere around 90,000 Dothraki along with a couple thousand Unsullied stranded at Casterly Rock and 3 dragons of course.

While the Lannisters HAD 10,000 men, with another possible 6,000 gold cloaks at Kings Landing perhaps, right? 

Randyll Tarly, assuming he and Dickon didn't both just die or get captured, presumably could call up his own men, and his Tarly vassals', and all of the Reach Lords' once he's officially Lord Paramount and Warden, which should be a good chunk of the 70000 the Reach had before his coup.

That being said:

  • He apparently only raised 1 man, his son, for the Highgarden battle and the convoy back to KL. Maybe he or Jaime didn't want Reach soldiers fighting Reach soldiers, when just having them all stay home was enough for him to win? I don't know; it hasn't been explained, so it's all guesswork.
  • Before he's even been confirmed as Lord Paramount, he sacked his own capital to give Cersei all the gold and food. Aren't the other Reach Lords going to blame him for that? Raising troops beyond the direct Tarly vassals could just lead to yet another rebellion.
  • That 70000 number was quite some time ago. I don't think we heard how many troops Olenna was offering Dany; could it have dwindled for some reason?

 

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14 minutes ago, falcotron said:

He apparently only raised 1 man, his son, for the Highgarden battle and the convoy back to KL. Maybe he or Jaime didn't want Reach soldiers fighting Reach soldiers, when just having them all stay home was enough for him to win? I don't know; it hasn't been explained, so it's all guesswork.

Look again at the battle scene. When they are preparing for the dothraki charge, you can see soldiers with the Tarly Huntsman on their shields.

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6 minutes ago, Raven Banner said:

Look again at the battle scene. When they are preparing for the dothraki charge, you can see soldiers with the Tarly Huntsman on their shields.

Thanks, I'll check when I rewatch, but until then I think I can just trust you. :)

But there weren't any last week, right?

So that implies that Tarly did raise his men, didn't bring them to attack Highgarden for some reason, but did bring them for the supply convoy.

If so, that makes sense, and I can imagine possibilities for that "some reason" (like avoiding Reach soldiers fighting Reach soldiers—not a problem for the convoy mission), but it's still another thing I wish they'd explained in 5 seconds of dialog instead of leaving us to come up with our own story.

Anyway, that means that the number of troops Tarly can offer Cersei could now be diminished reduced just as badly as the main Lannister force. Or maybe not nearly as badly, if it was only Tarly personal men, not the rest of the Reach. (And again, all assuming Tarly is still alive and free, and his people don't now hate him, and Cersei is still going to confirm him as Warden even if, say, Jaime just got captured or disappeared under Tarly's nose, and so on…)

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1 hour ago, falcotron said:

Thanks, I'll check when I rewatch, but until then I think I can just trust you. :)

But there weren't any last week, right?

Of course you can trust me :D

No I couldn't see them in marching soldiers to Highgarden. There should have been a least a company and not just his son.

Randyll Tarly said in episode 2, that he was returning home to raise an army. Logically a good portion of that army should remain in the Reach to reassert the Iron Throne's control. But I don't think military logic is priority for the showwriters.

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Didn't the Lannisters start out with a good 40,000 in season 1?  So assume they have around 20,000 or up to 30,000 with some new peasant intake (Ed Sheeran)  Plus 6,000 Goldcloaks. Potentially Cersei can rally some troops in the Stormlands but they're mostly dead anyway / hate her but kind of have no one else as she is the last Baratheon...ish.

The show's logistics is completely broken but if you have to put something together you'd say that some 10k of the Lannister 30k marched to Highgarden along with say 5k Tarly men there or mustering.  Highgarden somehow didn't muster any men in advance so the Redwyne, Fossoway, Hightower men are at home, and some of the other unnamed houses who went to Kings Landing (somehow without the Tyrell matriarch or Varys knowing?) are either actively with the Lannisters (just not at Highgarden) or deliberately not doing anything, thereby ensuring a Highgarden loss.  

The Dornish army is around 20 to 25k but leaderless and somehow not in play.  The Reach has around 70k but perhaps 15 to 20 of that has followed Tarly, while perhaps 5k+ was pure Tyrell and now defeated (although how come there was no protracted siege still gripes given the defensive advantage).  That leaves around 30+k unaccounted for.

No idea how many Dothraki there are, or what they're all eating or where they are camping in Dragonstone, or even what they think of Westeros or how the smallfolk interact with them.

So in summary and using show logic:

Lannister best case:  30 (Western), 6 (Goldcloaks but generally stuck in KL), 5 (Tarly), 20 (Reach), 5 (Stormland desperados) minus 5k (just killed in episode 4) minus 5k (just dispersed / captured) minus 3k (sacrificed at Casterly Rock = 53k (plus Euron's navy)

Lannister worst case:  20 (Western), 6 (Goldcloaks), 5 (Tarly), 10 (Reach) minus 7k minus 5k minus 3k= 26k (plus Euron's navy)

Targaryen:  5 thousand Unsullied, say 50,000 Dothraki (the entire horde might not have crossed), plus Tyrion and Ser Friendzone, Theon and that guy who is always angry standing behind Theon, 50 Ironborn, and 3 dragons = 55,057.

Remaining Reach and Dornish forces:   55,000 who knows where.

Northern Forces:  8k, including Wildings? Best men all dead.

Vale forces in the North:  15k?

Vale forces in the Vale:  15k?

Riverland forces remaining:  10k not mustered.  Best men all dead.

Stormlands:  5 to 10k not mustered?  

EDIT:  Plus 20 Good Men roaming around the Dreadfort + Gendry rowing + 250 Brotherhood Without Banners 

 

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It was said in the show more than once that Lannisters currently (before FoF2.0)  have 10,000 soldiers . So not sure where the inflated numbers are coming from.

What make you think the gold will reach Cersei? It looks like that it will not. It should be a spoil of war for Danny. (How a heavy wagon would  escape that carnage????). So forget Cersei paying their debts and hiring the golden company... (unless the writers do their thing...)

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5 minutes ago, King Louis II (KLII) said:

It was said in the show more than once that Lannisters currently (before FoF2.0)  have 10,000 soldiers . So not sure where the inflated numbers are coming from.

What make you think the gold will reach Cersei? It looks like that it will not. It should be a spoil of war for Danny. (How a heavy wagon would  escape that carnage????). So forget Cersei paying their debts and hiring the golden company... (unless the writers do their thing...)

Tarly said to Jamie before the attack that the gold was already through the gates of KL. 

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Need to watch again but had the impression that Jaime was with the Gold  and took some and gave to Bronn, then they camped and there was the attack. Did I miss something?

 

add: it make not sense why the gold would go alone and not with them (specially because the wagon is slow...) were they going to CR?

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12 minutes ago, King Louis II (KLII) said:

Need to watch again but had the impression that Jaime was with the Gold  and took some and gave to Bronn, then they camped and there was the attack. Did I miss something?

As Randyll Tarly said the gold was throught the gates of KL.

12 minutes ago, King Louis II (KLII) said:

add: it make not sense why the gold would go alone and not with them (specially because the wagon is slow...) were they going to CR?

no one was going to casterly rock

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7 minutes ago, Samwell_Tarly said:

As Randyll Tarly said the gold was throught the gates of KL.

no one was going to casterly rock

So would you  send a slow wagon of gold ahead of your troops escorted by a nobody when you are going to the same place with 10,000 troops and Tarly, Dickon and Bron? Am I being to picky or this doesn't make any sense?

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20 minutes ago, King Louis II (KLII) said:

Need to watch again but had the impression that Jaime was with the Gold  and took some and gave to Bronn, then they camped and there was the attack. Did I miss something?

 

add: it make not sense why the gold would go alone and not with them (specially because the wagon is slow...) were they going to CR?

In the opening scene, Jaime gave Bronn gold, and sent Bronn to help steal crops.  At the end of the show, they were nearing the end of their march and the gold had made it safe into KL.

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9 minutes ago, King Louis II (KLII) said:

So would you  send a slow wagon of gold ahead of your troops escorted by a nobody when you are going to the same place with 10,000 troops and Tarly, Dickon and Bron? Am I being to picky or this doesn't make any sense?

I didnt think Randyll Tarly was a nobody to be honest, hes well respected in many fields. I dont think you understand the concept of marching in a line and transporting goods. Its as simple as the front got there first with the gold, and the back of the line were nearly there when they got attacked, they had the crops.

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Thronecast the UK aftershow mentioned 60k Lannister which obviously is vastly inflated concidering they have been at war for years.

Being the show they have not established how large the strenght of each region at the start of the war as the book did.  So Lannisters get a bump and Reach take a hit to balance Danys numbers.

This is the same type of yo yo numbers Danys fleet has.  Lost her iron born fleet, lost another fleet transporting grey worm and his army but still has enough sitting around to ship tens of thousands of Dothraki.

60k seems reasonable considering 10k was at the Rock leaving 40 - 50k at KL to defend against Dany and an imminent attack from Dragonstone (which never happened but still needed to be countered) rest in riverlands westerlands

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