Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Fucking magnets, how do they work? /Lyin' ass scientists and shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 A parent publicly repudiates nazi son. http://www.inforum.com/opinion/letters/4311880-letter-family-denounces-teffts-racist-rhetoric-and-actions You can find the letter at the link, but one sentence in particular needs repeating: Quote We have been silent up until now, but now we see that this was a mistake. It was the silence of good people that allowed the Nazis to flourish the first time around, and it is the silence of good people that is allowing them to flourish now. 1 hour ago, Jaxom 1974 said: Is anyone else getting too run down having to listen to the excuse making for people who support 45, particularly now, when they're attempting to relitigate the essential causes of the Civil War? It's one thing coming from the hardcore 45ers who've now firmly exposed themselves for who they are, but those who you might have held out hope for as reasonable people just not getting it? Had a long time friend lament on students being taught that the Civil War wasn't about freeing the slaves, that Lincoln simply wanted to preserve the Union. That the teachers teaching it are also uniformed. Trying to explain that there's just too many layers of that, and all layers actually find themselves rooted back into the issue of Slavery...it's exhausting, even when you give credible evidence and some 45er, who you try to ignore because it's simply pointless talking to them, let alone arguing, jumps in to your discussion. You're not supposed to be losing sleep over this are you? Ugh. I think these are exactly the things one should lose sleep over. This is serious stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted August 17, 2017 Author Share Posted August 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said: Fucking magnets, how do they work? /Lyin' ass scientists and shit. To continue, this twitter thread outlines why pretty much everyone should be on the side of the Juggalos for this march - it's massively stupid government crap to label them as an official gang. https://twitter.com/drivenbyboredom/status/897512358087733248 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 'Member that nazi dude that VICE profiled? Now he's whining that he has an arrest warrant and that people are being mean to him and that he's like oppressed or something. And he's apparently an avowed non-violent genocide promoter. http://gayety.co/news/christopher-cantwell-cries-youtube-video?utm_content=inf_11_3735_2&utm_source=TSE&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=TSE&tse_id=INF_f6dfe8a0832411e7a25233ff5ad8dbb3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S John Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 46 minutes ago, Jaxom 1974 said: Is anyone else getting too run down having to listen to the excuse making for people who support 45, particularly now, when they're attempting to relitigate the essential causes of the Civil War? It's one thing coming from the hardcore 45ers who've now firmly exposed themselves for who they are, but those who you might have held out hope for as reasonable people just not getting it? Had a long time friend lament on students being taught that the Civil War wasn't about freeing the slaves, that Lincoln simply wanted to preserve the Union. That the teachers teaching it are also uniformed. Trying to explain that there's just too many layers of that, and all layers actually find themselves rooted back into the issue of Slavery...it's exhausting, even when you give credible evidence and some 45er, who you try to ignore because it's simply pointless talking to them, let alone arguing, jumps in to your discussion. You're not supposed to be losing sleep over this are you? Ugh. It seems like many people just look at the war itself when really the couple of decades leading up to it leave no doubt as to what the key issue was. With the rapid westward expansion and admission of a number of new states, the South had been worried for some time that eventually free states would outnumber slave states to the point where the practice could be legislated out of existence, and there were many fights and compromises about that in the pre-war era. Lincoln's victory in the 1860 election without winning a single southern state sort of proved the point. While I think it is reasonable to say that Lincolns objective at the beginning of the war was simply to preserve the Union and not necessarily emancipation, the issue of slavery was THE irreconcilable difference between the northern and southern states leading up to secession and the war and the ending of slavery is the wars most important legacy.. The confederate, largely non-slave owning, rank and file generally went as their states went - and peasants fighting for the landed gentry on the basis of geography is really not any different from most other wars in human history. But there's really no getting around that fearing the end of slavery was the driving force behind secession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Kalbear said: To continue, this twitter thread outlines why pretty much everyone should be on the side of the Juggalos for this march - it's massively stupid government crap to label them as an official gang. https://twitter.com/drivenbyboredom/status/897512358087733248 Solid points made in that Tweet stream. I didn't realize they were dealing with such a serious situation. Still, it's hard to take them seriously in a general sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 12 minutes ago, Dr. Pepper said: 'Member that nazi dude that VICE profiled? Now he's whining that he has an arrest warrant and that people are being mean to him and that he's like oppressed or something. And he's apparently an avowed non-violent genocide promoter. http://gayety.co/news/christopher-cantwell-cries-youtube-video?utm_content=inf_11_3735_2&utm_source=TSE&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=TSE&tse_id=INF_f6dfe8a0832411e7a25233ff5ad8dbb3 I would bet money based on that video that he's either a meth addict or he has some sort of serious anxiety issue. Maybe both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 To @r'hllor's red lobster, regarding your last question to me (It won't let me quote you due to the thread being closed) "how would it have looked without antifa demonstrators?" After reading the article I posted above, I have to agree with your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 The facts all came in on Barcelona with amazing clarity and immediacy. Honest question: is he even trying at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, James Arryn said: The facts all came in on Barcelona with amazing clarity and immediacy. Honest question: is he even trying at this point? Has he ever? Outside of campaigning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said: Has he ever? Outside of campaigning? Jesus Christ, he's pushing the Pershing myth again. It's literally like we've gone back in time. 'Just show them bastards American toughness, they'll get in line." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGimletEye Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 On 8/17/2017 at 2:38 PM, S John said: It seems like many people just look at the war itself when really the couple of decades leading up to it leave no doubt as to what the key issue was. With the rapid westward expansion and admission of a number of new states, the South had been worried for some time that eventually free states would outnumber slave states to the point where the practice could be legislated out of existence, and there were many fights and compromises about that in the pre-war era. Lincoln's victory in the 1860 election without winning a single southern state sort of proved the point. While I think it is reasonable to say that Lincolns objective at the beginning of the war was simply to preserve the Union and not necessarily emancipation, the issue of slavery was THE irreconcilable difference between the northern and southern states leading up to secession and the war and the ending of slavery is the wars most important legacy.. The confederate, largely non-slave owning, rank and file generally went as their states went - and peasants fighting for the landed gentry on the basis of geography is really not any different from most other wars in human history. But there's really no getting around that fearing the end of slavery was the driving force behind secession. Yes, exactly. I’ll just add: These excuses about what the Civil War was about, have been around for a very long time. And they are all bullshit. The idea that the plantation class didn’t engineer the war to protect what they saw as their interest is nonsense. Saying that Lincoln wouldn’t have started a war to end slavery isn’t the same thing as saying the old confederacy, dominated politically and economically by the planter class, did start a war to protect slavery. I mean it seems that South Carolina’s declaration of secession was pretty clear about what they were salty about, right before they fired on Fort Sumter. Me personally, I’m pretty rude with people that try to claim the Civil War wasn’t about slavery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 39 minutes ago, Manhole Eunuchsbane said: I would bet money based on that video that he's either a meth addict or he has some sort of serious anxiety issue. Maybe both. How -- sane or not, can he say that the point of his being in Charlottesville was non-violence as he strokes all the weapons he's brought, and gloats at the many soon-to-come deaths. Added -- just forced myself to watch this. He's definitely on drugs -- that sniffing. He's crying, what a quivering mess of victimhood. Terrifying. BTW, everything anybody would ever need to know that proves the War of the Rebellion was about slavery and nothing else is all in one place with references and citations in The American Slave Coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 19 minutes ago, James Arryn said: The facts all came in on Barcelona with amazing clarity and immediacy. Honest question: is he even trying at this point? I bet the grown ups had to run interference to keep him from tweeting even earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 11 minutes ago, OldGimletEye said: Yes, exactly. I’ll just add: These excuses about what the Civil War was about, have been around for a very long time. And they are all bullshit. The idea that the plantation class didn’t engineer the war to protect what they saw as their interest is nonsense. Saying that Lincoln wouldn’t have started a war to end slavery isn’t the same thing as saying the old confederacy, dominated politically and economically by the planter class, did start a war to protect slavery. I mean it seems that South Carolina’s declaration of secession was pretty clear about what they were salty about, right before they fired on Fort Sumter. Me personally, I’m pretty rude with people that try to claim the Civil War wasn’t about slavery. They absolutely did. They wanted to preserve their ability to own slaves. At the end of the war when the Confederacy considered offering freedom in exchange for slaves serving in the Confederate military a Confederate legislator opposed to the measure said something along the lines of "If we are freeing slaves what are we fighting over in the first place". At its core the American Civil War was about slavery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Sen. Bob Corker of Tennessee, in remarks to the Chattanooga Rotary Club and to reporters afterwards, makes some of the stronger statements criticizing Trump from a Republican U.S. Senator so far: http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/breakingnews/story/2017/aug/17/corker-urges-radical-changes/444054/ Quote "The president has not yet been able to demonstrate the stability, nor some of the competence, that he needs to demonstrate in order for him to be successful — and our nation and our world needs for him to be successful, whether you are Republican or Democrat," Corker told the Chattanooga Rotary club today. "SOME of the competence" is an understatement, but it probably will be more than enough to have Trump put Corker on his enemies list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Meh, Corker at least names the prez but it is still too little too late. It is time for them to admit their guy is a bust, success is out of reach, he is not going to change, they have to, that is what the nation and the world needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 17 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: They absolutely did. They wanted to preserve their ability to own slaves. At the end of the war when the Confederacy considered offering freedom in exchange for slaves serving in the Confederate military a Confederate legislator opposed to the measure said something along the lines of "If we are freeing slaves what are we fighting over in the first place". At its core the American Civil War was about slavery. Howell Cobb (GA) said it in response to Lee's suggesting (once) arming the slaves -- or one of the versions of it, for many others did too. There was a lot of desperation in those days in Richmond and many a contradictory, and useless proposal were floated. Also, already Davis and others had begun rewriting the history of secession and the war, to erase slavery as the cause, as it was by now proven that world opinion was anti-slavery. They were looking ahead to their lives after, of course. "You cannot make soldiers of slaves, or slaves of soldiers. The day you make a soldier of them is the beginning of the end of the Revolution. And if slaves seem good soldiers, then our whole theory of slavery is wrong." Cobb had been Governor of Georgia, founding member of the CSA government and interim president, as well as president of its congress. Before that a 5-term Rep in the House, as well as Speaker of the House, Buchanan's Sec of Treasury -- who sent the money south before Lincoln's swearing in. Thus we see, why Cobb's plantation was specifically targeted for plundering on Sherman's March to the Sea, instructing his soldiers "to spare nothing." The irony is that Cobb's plantation was back up and running prosperously within a year after Appomattox with infusions of northern capital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 34 minutes ago, Morpheus said: I bet the grown ups had to run interference to keep him from tweeting even earlier. On many sides. On many sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonnot OG Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 This is fitting given the conversations that are going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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