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Odd post, but there is usually someone in here who does a funny sequence of screen captures with dialogue as their rant.  I can't find it this week, could anyone direct me to it.  Sorry I forgot the poster's name.

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20 hours ago, Lockjaw of House Boltagon said:

(Sorry if this has been posted before)

From Vox:

In an effort to highlight the glaring moments of “Beyond the Wall” that just didn’t make any sense, we came up with 27 basic questions that the episode failed — or more accurately, didn’t even try — to answer.

  1. Instead of Jon leading a ranging party north of the Wall to aimlessly search for a wight to capture and deliver to Cersei, why didn’t just Dany scout out the White Walkers from the air, on her dragons?
  2. Alternately, why didn’t Dany escort the party to help them capture the wight?
  3. Why didn’t anyone in Jon’s party appear to bring any food or other supplies, or bother more appropriate winter gear (namely: hats)?
  4. Who truly believes that seeing a wight will actually convince Cersei to join Jon and Daenerys in battling the White Walkers?
  5. Has anyone pointed out to Jon and Dany that Cersei technically has her own wight bodyguard? Like, maybe Jaime could have mentioned as much when he met with Tyrion about this very plan?
  6. Shouldn’t Tyrion, at the very least, know better than to bet so much on appealing to Cersei Lannister’s humanity?
  7. Why didn’t the group bring a raven with them to send a message back to Eastwatch in the event of trouble?
  8. Wasn’t it really, um, convenient to have the ice break just in time to stop the wights? And for Jon and his buddies to end up on a perfectly placed island?
  9. Why didn’t the Night King just use his ice javelins against Jon, Jorah, Tormund, and the rest of the wight hunters while they were stranded on an island in the middle of the lake? Was he playing a longer game to lure Dany out?
  10. Why didn’t the Night King first try to kill the dragon that Dany — and eventually the rescued members of Jon’s party — was riding? Assuming that what he really wanted a zombified dragon, wouldn’t it make more sense to start with the biggest of the three and the easiest one to hit?
  11. Why didn’t Dany or anybody else try to kill the Night King?
  12. Why did Dany bring all three dragons beyond the wall, when she only used one against the Lannister army? Gendry didn’t know how many undead were coming, so he couldn’t have warned her of the massive army.
  13. Jon and Dany have an essentially unlimited supply of dragonglass now, right? Why didn’t they bring dragonglass arrows, to kill White Walkers with from a distance?
  14. How was Gendry able to run all the way to Eastwatch, however far that was, in what appears to be record time?
  15. While we’re at it, how did Gendry even know where to run after fresh snow wiped out Jon and co.’s tracks, especially since Gendry had never even experienced snow before, period?
  16. How the hell did a raven travel the 2,000 miles from Eastwatch to Dragonstone in less than a day? If it took 12 hours, and the raven never stopped to rest, that’s a 167-mph raven.
  17. And even if it did take more than a day, how did the men not end up like poor Thoros before the hour Daenerys swooped in?
  18. Could Jon really not break away from the fight to get on the dragon with everybody else?
  19. How did Jon survive his plunge into the icy lake water at the hands of the wights, let alone pull himself out while bogged down by soaking wet clothing?
  20. And how did he manage to then ride a horse back to Eastwatch while barely conscious (and also bogged down by soaking wet clothing)?
  21. Why didn’t Benjen show up earlier in the battle against the Night King? The last time he suddenly appeared to help a fellow Stark, he said that the Three-Eyed Raven had sent him; presumably that means Bran sent him to help Jon. But does that mean that Bran didn’t dispatch Benjen until Jon was stranded, dripping wet, and being chased by wights?
  22. Where even was Benjen, before showing up to rescue Jon out of nowhere?
  23. How did thousands of supposedly terrifying and powerful wights not manage to kill anyone except anonymous redshirt wildings?
  24. Where did the Night King acquire giant, industrial-strength chains that he could use for hauling a dead dragon out of a freezing lake?
  25. And if he didn’t just find them somewhere, how did he forge them? We don’t know exactly what the White Walkers’ relationship to fire is; we know they don’t like it, but have shown to have a bit of resistance to it (like when the Night King walked through it to kill the Children of the Forest). We do know the wights are killed by fire. It seems implausible that the White Walkers would have been able to create those giant chains without help from their undead army, but how exactly would they have done it?
  26. Who jumped into the freezing lake to attach the giant chains to the submerged dragon body — the wights that previously wouldn’t enter the water?
  27. And last but definitely not least: Why did no one, out of everyone in this entire all-star war council, realize how dumb the whole “capture a wight” plan was from the start?

28. Why when Bran scouted the Knight Kings army with his raven, was he seen standing on the same rock Jon and co. ended up on, yet they were supposedly headed for east watch? They had to have been there for a month. lol

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15 hours ago, Lady Fevre Dream said:

I can't be the only one upset that we haven't mysteriously had an episode show up on the nets again, can I?  I want to get this season over with, the good, the bad, and the stupid.  Those scenes of the Dragon Pit gathering look amazingly.......convoluted, LOL  Almost as well plotted as that wight hunt.  And we thought RUN TO EASTWATCH, leave the cannoli, I mean hammer........was preposterous. 

Thought I was the only one silently angry about this lol

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3 hours ago, Dawn of Fyre said:

I guess this season shows how 'unprofessional' the writers are now that they have no source material. They needed more seasons to fully flesh out the remaining narrative - perhaps then the quality would have been better. :/ it is a shame.

They don't need more seasons, they already can't write anything of quality to fill the time they have now.  Right now we get boring and pointless filler nonsense to fill the gap inbetween checklist plot points, with more episodes we'd just get even more filler material.

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4 minutes ago, The Scabbard Of the Morning said:

They don't need more seasons, they already can't write anything of quality to fill the time they have now.  Right now we get boring and pointless filler nonsense to fill the gap inbetween checklist plot points, with more episodes we'd just get even more filler material.

True! And they'd have Jaime sticking with Cersei for as many more episodes, so she could have 3 more babies.

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1 hour ago, ramla said:

Thought I was the only one silently angry about this lol

I've almost given up hope for the early bird this week, as it seems so late, LOL

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52 minutes ago, sweetsunray said:

True! And they'd have Jaime sticking with Cersei for as many more episodes, so she could have 3 more babies.

Once Jaime leaves Cersei, it really is going to feel like much too little, too late.  Or it would, if not for Nik.  He does keep giving us little glimpses of Jaime peeking out from Larry's eyes.  As much as I love him doing that, in the long run........it's just a reminder of how well he could have done actually being allowed to play the Jaime Lannister we know from the books.  Larry and Darth Vader, it's almost over.  Thank The Old Gods and The New. 

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50 minutes ago, sweetsunray said:

True! And they'd have Jaime sticking with Cersei for as many more episodes, so she could have 3 more babies.

When you really think about it the rot set in during season 4 when in order to have their "episode 9 spectacle" they delayed the defense of the wall until episode 9, which meant they had to invent a bunch of wheel spinning filler material for the wall, like the nonsensical atttack on Craster's Keep.  When they could have had the wall defense in episode 5 or 6, and had the proper amount of time to develop the LC election plot, and the Stannis in the north plot.

This Wight hunt plot really is just another iteration of the Craster's Keep assault, nonsensical event invented to drag out the event they are delaying for (the confrontation with Cersei).

 

 

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1 minute ago, The Scabbard Of the Morning said:

When you really think about it the rot set in during season 4 when in order to have their "episode 9 spectacle" they delayed the defense of the wall until episode 9, which meant they had to invent a bunch of wheel spinning filler material for the wall, like the nonsensical atttack on Craster's Keep.  When they could have had the wall defense in episode 5 or 6, and had the proper amount of time to develop the LC election plot, and the Stannis in the north plot.

This Wight hunt plot really is just another iteration of the Craster's Keep assault, nonsensical event invented to drag out the event they are delaying for (the confrontation with Cersei).

 

 

I agree, while season 4 had some great story to distract us from the mistakes, even at the time it was easy to see the time killing and filling going on.  Delaying the actual story at The Wall for the stupid Craster's Keep Rapefest of Boredom mini mission was just stupid.  Stupid enough to be replicated almost every season now, though.  I'm looking at you, Wight Hunt.  Hello Hardhome.  I see The Battle of The Bastards as well.  It's not a season if there isn't a stupid plot invented to make Jon look stupider while Kit swings a sword, LOL

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On 23/08/2017 at 3:53 AM, Ashes Of Westeros said:

The scene between Jon and Dany in the end was soooo cheesy you could make a fondue out of it (as Gordon Ramsay would say).

Especially when she said to him that he should get some rest and he immediately closed his eyes like a good little obedient boy.  It was so cringeworthy.

On 23/08/2017 at 1:20 AM, NickStark2494 said:

They had dragonglass. Tormund's weapon was dragonglass, as were Jorah's daggers. The Hound also uses dragonglass after realizing Gendry's hammer is useless.

I just watched the episode again and noticed that while trekking, Tormund carried an axe with a metal blade, but during the fighting scenes, he had an axe with dragonglass blades.

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22 hours ago, Lockjaw of House Boltagon said:

Why didn’t the group bring a raven with them to send a message back to Eastwatch in the event of trouble?

To send a raven they need somebody who handles raven like a maester or a maester's assistant like Sam. 

As afr as I'm concerned, the NW doesn't have a maester  at the moment. Probably just an assistant who provides the communication with the rest of the world.

Edited by Ashes Of Westeros

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On 8/21/2017 at 10:35 PM, Tadco26 said:

Remember when a single wight was a huge threat?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2TlSM-2SyI&t=1m22s

Now they die in one hit like video game minions.  They were so easy to kill that it makes the threat seem trivial.

Think you're the first I"ve seen mention this in here. It was bugging me too. Basically, half a dozen guys held back 100's of wights.If only they had 14 more good men, they could have probably taken out the whole wight army.

Maybe that's why they're taking the wight all the way to Cersei. Aside from the Gold Cloaks, that's probably about the number of Lannister men she has left. -_-

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55 minutes ago, storm.131 said:

I just watched the episode again and noticed that while trekking, Tormund carried an axe with a metal blade, but during the fighting scenes, he had an axe with dragonglass blades.

Yes, I've mentioned this in an other thread few days ago. I watched again, it seems the metal axe is magically replaced by that bizarre dragonglass weapon at some moment. You never see Tormund breaking, loosing, or throwing away the axe to replace it with the DG weapon.

Someone on the set didn't do his job… very amateurish…

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2 hours ago, The Scabbard Of the Morning said:

When you really think about it the rot set in during season 4 when in order to have their "episode 9 spectacle" they delayed the defense of the wall until episode 9, which meant they had to invent a bunch of wheel spinning filler material for the wall, like the nonsensical atttack on Craster's Keep.  When they could have had the wall defense in episode 5 or 6, and had the proper amount of time to develop the LC election plot, and the Stannis in the north plot.

This Wight hunt plot really is just another iteration of the Craster's Keep assault, nonsensical event invented to drag out the event they are delaying for (the confrontation with Cersei).

 

 

Totally this :agree:

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2 hours ago, Ashes Of Westeros said:

To send a raven they need somebody who handles raven like a maester or a maester's assistant like Sam. 

As afr as I'm concerned, the NW doesn't have a maester  at the moment. Probably just an assistant who provides the communication with the rest of the world.

THey just need a raven handler: someone who feeds them and cares for them and knows chich raven flies where. If they take Eastwatch ravens with them that home in to Eastwatch, it doesn't matter. Just pick one and it'll fly to Eastwatch. You just need one person out there able to write a message: Jon can. 

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1 hour ago, sweetsunray said:

THey just need a raven handler: someone who feeds them and cares for them and knows chich raven flies where. If they take Eastwatch ravens with them that home in to Eastwatch, it doesn't matter. Just pick one and it'll fly to Eastwatch. You just need one person out there able to write a message: Jon can. 

Exactly, they just needed to bring a few of the Eastwatch Ravens.  Considering Tormund and the Wildings at Eastwatch were sent there by the North, most likely are in contact with Lonely Edd at Castle Black, there is no reason to think that they can't get access to ravens.  Jon knows how to write (as do others), not to mention has experience in caring for the ravens.  Any of the others can easily learn to take care of said ravens from Jon, and at this point, Tormund.  A few ravens for Eastwatch would be all they'd need.  Granted, that might deprive Gendry of the shot at Gold in track, but hey.....we're talking about the fate of the world, right?

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4 hours ago, The Scabbard Of the Morning said:

When you really think about it the rot set in during season 4 when in order to have their "episode 9 spectacle" they delayed the defense of the wall until episode 9, which meant they had to invent a bunch of wheel spinning filler material for the wall, like the nonsensical atttack on Craster's Keep.  When they could have had the wall defense in episode 5 or 6, and had the proper amount of time to develop the LC election plot, and the Stannis in the north plot.

This Wight hunt plot really is just another iteration of the Craster's Keep assault, nonsensical event invented to drag out the event they are delaying for (the confrontation with Cersei).

 

 

That comparison doesn't really work, because as you say the Craster's Keep plot was filler for the middle of the season. They were building up to something else. The Wight Hunt is the big plot point of the entire season. Nothing else is being built up to, aside from Dany and Jon sex and whatever it is the Night King plans to do with that dragon. 

The Craster's Keep assault in Season Four was kinda boring and ultimately pointless. The Big Things that season, the Mountain vs. Viper duel and the Battle of the Wall, would be fine without it. The Wight Hunt, on the other hand, is a point unto itself. It was supposed to be the Big Thing this season.* That's a whole different kind of problem. 

*Aside from what they tack onto the finale. Which, again, will be Dany/Jon sex and something to do with a zombie dragon. Maybe we'll see some drama with Cersei and Jaime. But that will mostly be "wait til next year" stuff. They already shot their wad with the Big Things in Beyond the Wall. 

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