3sm1r Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 1 hour ago, RhaenysB said: This is what the world has come to. I mean if this is the general opinion, I don't think I want to live in this world. I mean how dumb are people actually? And I suppose D&D feel justified. Oh god... Lol, the fighting between Sansa and Arya was dumb even for the average viewer. But how can anyone seriously say that season 7 was the best?? 31 minutes ago, Armand Gargalen said: C. It´s badly written and acted. It´s cliched, predictable and boring. Their characters and their romance make no sense whatsoever. I'd choose C. Without any doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Boastful Knight Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 2 hours ago, Nowy Tends said: How can you be sure that this marriage will not occur in the books to come? I'm not sure, I only hope it won't because as I explained in the post, I think it would ruin Jon's character arc and development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Boastful Knight Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 11 hours ago, Oursisthechicken said: I´ve been lurking in these threads for 5 years, But after this season I need to rant too. Oh boy, where shall I start... - Why are the kingsguard all wearing black? - Is there even a kingsguard? - Drogon could/should've roasted Cersei and Euron right there, according to show logic when the head of the house dies all their armies commit mass suicide, for reference see the Reach and Dorne armies being non existant. - Why is Cersei still alive? Why is she queen? My guess is that in the show if you kill someone you inherit all their titles, the sand snakes killed doran and Dorne was ruled by a bunch of bastards for awhile, I guess Arya is now the new lord protector of the Vale and Lord Paramount of the Trident. - Why is Bronze Yohn still in the north, there are two mad queens with teleporting armies raging war all over the country but the Vale army sees no need to protect their home and liege lord. - Where are all the lords? Who controls the riverlands? Walder Frey is dead, LF the lord paramount is also dead and Edmure is MIA. Who controls the Stormlands? Who controls Dorne? There 7 Kingdoms and yet in the show it seems Westeros is the size of a football field. - Where is the night's watch? - Arya trained to be an assassin! The main prerogative of being an assassin is killing your victims with stealth not challenge them to a duel, she has no business fighting on equal footing with the likes of Brienne. - SO MUUUUUCCHHHH FAN SERVICE!! And memes WTF am I watching. One of my favorite characters from the book ( Lord Davos Seaworth) was turned into a meme machine sidekick. - Robert's Rebellion was based on a lie??? ( I said this in the proper thread but I'll say it here too) The only lie about RR is the death of Prince Lewin Martel,l the man fought to protect the rights of his niece and grandnephew. But guess what Lewin? You died side by side with a douche that disowned Elia and her children and he didnt even had the guts to tell you, what a class act that Rhaegar guy was... - Sam Tarly cured the motherfcking plague!!! A disease that has been killing people for centuries yet in this shitshow that fact was completly glossed over, like it happens every other tuesday. - Emilia Clarke CANT ACT!! Watch any thing shes in and cringe,shes not just terrible has Dany, she was a terrible Sarah Connor and she was also terrible in Jude Law's Dom Hemingway. - Mr Viserionchtev tear down that wall ( The night king is Ronald Reagan). Now seriously if he hadnt been gifted a dragon what was the plan? Roam the frozen wastes till some guy ( there is no nights watch) letf a door through the wall open? - The show became boring, predictable and dumb, the exact opposite of ASOIAF. - Finally when you sacrifice plot consistence and logic to have cool cinematic shots ( the chains, the wight in KL not moving or making any noises and so) you enter the realm of the Fast and Furious franchise and that is not quality TV, why this garbage praised? Thank you guys for five years of laughter hope to participate more in 2019 when S8 hits and hope that we all have TWoW in our homes by then. Edit: Phrasing (Boom!) and syntax Took the words right out of my mouth, Agreed 100%. Great point about the secret marriage not only ruining Jon's character arc (him not really being a bastard but the True King of Westeros) but also ruining Rhaegar's character, who by all accounts, except Robert's, was an honourable man, who would never have done that to his wife and kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywater-Watch Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 4 hours ago, The Boastful Knight said: The honourable northmen just wanted him dead I guess, because none objected to what happened. Sorry to Interrupt your interesting analysis. Watch the scene again: Number of Northmen = 1 (on words: 1). Lord Royce is Vale, Lord Baelish accused, Sansa and Arya are women, Maester - no alliance, Bran may count as Northman (he stands for the 1 above). The rest (about 30 or so) are Northern soldiers. I assume you thought of the Lords of Northern Houses when you said "honourable Northmen"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Boastful Knight Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 39 minutes ago, Tadco26 said: The whole story line like most that have problems for the show, comes from trying to consolidate story lines and give actors something to do when their story line might not have anything particularly interesting going on individually, or they just don't have time to have separate story lines for each character. Which makes sense logistically, I just don't think they do a good job with the combined story lines they make up. Clearly they were much more focused on the audience gotcha surprise twist than they were on the twist being convincing if you spent any time analyzing why it happened the way it did. It happened that way because the writers wanted a shock for the audience and as long as they got that they didn't really care if logic was a casualty in the process. Agreed, but I think the reasons for these problems are mostly D&D's incompetence. They messed around so much with each storyline that they have a hard time keeping them interesting and together. I think they should have done one of 2 things. They should have stayed true to the books and put in everything from the major storylines up until ADWD (that still leaves room for adapting out storylines like the fake Aegon one) and then go from there or they should have just adapted out more. But they tried to put in too much, and mismanaged the screentime some storylines got. Then when they had no more purpose to the main plot (like Littlefinger - last year he was essential in bringing the Vale troops to battle, this year he was useless) they made up something stupid, like this whole LF is turning Arya and Sansa against each other thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Boastful Knight Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 8 minutes ago, Greywater-Watch said: Sorry to Interrupt your interesting analysis. Watch the scene again: Number of Northmen = 1 (on words: 1). Lord Royce is Vale, Lord Baelish accused, Sansa and Arya are women, Maester - no alliance, Bran may count as Northman (he stands for the 1 above). The rest (about 30 or so) are Northern soldiers. I assume you thought of the Lords of Northern Houses when you said "honourable Northmen"? Yeah, I should have been clearer, there were no actual northern lords there. But my point still stands. No one important there felt that it was wrong to handle LF like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywater-Watch Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, The Boastful Knight said: Yeah, I should have been clearer, there were no actual northern lords there. But my point still stands. No one important there felt that it was wrong to handle LF like that. I am afraid you still missed the point. There is no one of importance there, except Lord Royce. The Starks (Bran, Sansa, Arya) are obviously in the team of accusation, the Maester will not intervene. The joke of the scene is, the audience is practically made up of soliders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Boastful Knight Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 17 minutes ago, Greywater-Watch said: I am afraid you still missed the point. There is no one of importance there, except Lord Royce. The Starks (Bran, Sansa, Arya) are obviously in the team of accusation, the Maester will not intervene. The joke of the scene is, the audience is practically made up of soliders. Well, him then (although Bran I think would be a witness rather than an accuser, because there is no indication that he had any part in organizing the so called trial itself, and they weren't accusing LF of sending the assasin to kill Bran, I think just that the dagger was his) . We don't know what Lord Royce knew or didn't know, so he might had a reason not to object. But we don't know. That's my point. Even if it was only him and the soldiers there as audience (which is you're right, is a joke in itself) I would have expected at least some inquiry on his part about the accusations or the gathered evidence or anything. Instead he just goes along with it without question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhaenysBee Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Armand Gargalen said: C. It´s badly written and acted. It´s cliched, predictable and boring. Their characters and their romance make no sense whatsoever. Yeah there's a C option for every question but I guess it requires possessing a brain. 1 hour ago, Armand Gargalen said: Some shocking responses: This world is going to the dogs I know, man, I know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Teach Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 3 hours ago, Armand Gargalen said: Because GRRM holds a degree in History and it is perfectly aware than a secret marriage is an oxymoron. A marriage is a public contract between two families, and it is done publicly for the whole of the society to acknowledge it. A secret romance is plausible, a secret marriage makes no sense. Wikipedia says he has a degree in journalism, not history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Boastful Knight Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 11 minutes ago, Edward Teach said: Wikipedia says he has a degree in journalism, not history. He still knows history well, but more importantly, he is a competent, dare I say, great writer. Really, a secret marriage, while possible, is not something that Rhaegar would have done if he wanted his newborn son to be his heir (I'm guessing he already knew Lyanna was pregnant, if not, the marriage makes even less sense). He would have wanted as many people to know as possible. Unless he was already planning on them losing the war and him dying by Robert's hands. But in that case, it wouldn't have really mattered who was the rightful Targaryen king because the family's claim to the throne was lost by the rebels' victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Cygne Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 2 hours ago, Mister Stoneheart said: Can we talk about the ridiculous amount of dick jokes the showrunners employ? No, actually, it would be nice NOT to talk about it. Dick jokes are part of their arsenal; dick jokes are in their blood. Yeah, I noticed in reviews people were calling them out for all the dick comments. One reviewer waxed poetically about what it might mean, but I think it's pretty clear they are writing at a 13 year old level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnViserion Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 1 hour ago, 3sm1r said: But how can anyone seriously say that season 7 was the best?? Ian McShane wasn't wrong when he said the show was only tits and dragons. The average viewer doesn't keep up on anything that's going on plot wise. They tune in because everyone else is. This season had plenty of tits and more dragon footage than the other 6 seasons combined. To the lazy viewers that's really all they've signed up for. Sadly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Boastful Knight Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, Le Cygne said: Yeah, I noticed in reviews people were calling them out for all the dick comments. One reviewer waxed poetically about what it might mean, but I think it's pretty clear they are writing at a 13 year old level. A moderate amount of dick jokes would be fine, but they had to even justify one this time by retconning the whole series and bringing in dick as a word for penis. Before that, no one in the show called a penis a dick. It was always cock. Now, because Bronn just had to laugh at Dickon Tarly's name, an episode later they had the Hound explain to Tormund that a dick is in fact, a cock. So, this much effort for just one dick joke and they had like five per episode. Yep, they are thirteen-year-old boys alright, and as a former 13-year-old boy myself, even I wasn't this obsessed with dick jokes back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Boastful Knight Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 10 minutes ago, UnViserion said: Ian McShane wasn't wrong when he said the show was only tits and dragons. The average viewer doesn't keep up on anything that's going on plot wise. They tune in because everyone else is. This season had plenty of tits and more dragon footage than the other 6 seasons combined. To the lazy viewers that's really all they've signed up for. Sadly Agreed, but where were all the tits? We had one scene with Missandei and Grey worm but other than that I can't even recall another full nude scene. With Cersei and Jaime everything was implied, but not shown. The Dany and Jon stuff at the end too, was very softcore, you could hardly see anything. Far be it from me to defend D&D, but I think the "too much nudity in GoT" accusations had always been over exaggerated. If anything they became more prudish as the years went by maybe because of the criticisms and there was less nudity in the show. And this is just my opinion, but I wouldn't have a problem with nudity itself if there was substance behind it. If i want nudity without that, I watch porn. Here there wasn't much substance except in a few cases (strangely enough, the Missandei and Grey Worm stuff you could argue was for character development for Grey Worm which would be nice if anyone cared about Grey Worm). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowy Tends Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 3 hours ago, RhaenysB said: This is what the world has come to. I mean if this is the general opinion, I don't think I want to live in this world. I mean how dumb are people actually? And I suppose D&D feel justified. Oh god... I agree with you, but perhaps these depressing results (best season:7) show first and foremost that the audience of the series has changed quantitatively and qualitatively. At the time of season 1-2-3, who was interested in big battles and sex scenes? We never see Robb victorious battles on screen and everyone was still able to speak without making a dirty joke in every sentence… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plastic throne Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 2 hours ago, 3sm1r said: But how can anyone seriously say that season 7 was the best?? People don't have memory going that far back and they are still under impression of dragons and LF "justice", etc.. Ask the audience next year or year after and season 7 will be in like 5%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Onion Kniggit Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 On 8/29/2017 at 5:09 AM, Yoren Luck said: I responded to this yesterday with a joke about how that should tell you the leaks are fake, since the Stormlands haven't been mentioned in the show in ages...but now that I've had some time to think about it, it would not surprise me if D&D drum up some extra conflict to draw out next season by having Euron back stab Cersei. Think about it - he goes and gets the Golden Company, and between them and his own men has probably enough of a force to take half of Westeros pretty quickly. I could easily see D&D doing this, when them landing in the Stormlands and taking the Reach and possibly even the Throne. Lots of options for shoehorning in more conflict if they want, and it would be the type of 'twist' to the story they are capable of writing (meaning a GRRM plotline they have taken from other characters not in the show, and butchered it to force it into Euron's arc) Given the connection between Winterfell and Storm's End in lore,I would be laughing if Storm's End becomes the antithesis of Winterfell on the show. Whereas every story line that touches Winterfell whether it be the Boltons, Sansa, Stannis and Littlefinger turns to utter nonsensical shit, whoever so gets involved in Storm's End suddenly becomes a Deus Ex machina of some sort which judging by what I've read of the supposed Season 8 leaks seems to be the case with Euron. Of course as was the case with Dragonstone, we are probably going to find the Stormlands mostly deserted and Storm's End abandoned with no explanation as to why the friggin Lannisters, Tyrell or Dornish haven't take it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armand Gargalen Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 2 hours ago, Edward Teach said: Wikipedia says he has a degree in journalism, not history. I believed it was a major in journalism, with a minor in history. I may be mistaken, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 2 hours ago, The Boastful Knight said: He still knows history well, but more importantly, he is a competent, dare I say, great writer. Really, a secret marriage, while possible, is not something that Rhaegar would have done if he wanted his newborn son to be his heir (I'm guessing he already knew Lyanna was pregnant, if not, the marriage makes even less sense). He would have wanted as many people to know as possible. Unless he was already planning on them losing the war and him dying by Robert's hands. But in that case, it wouldn't have really mattered who was the rightful Targaryen king because the family's claim to the throne was lost by the rebels' victory. Jaehaerys and Shaera were married in secret, consummated the marriage before returning and Aegon V was forced to accept it. Rhaegar marrying Lyanna in secret is very much a possibility since we know, per Jaime's pov, that Rhaegar planned to call a council and make some changes. Now, while we don't know exactly what Rhaegar's plans were at this council, it is reasonable to assume that having his marriage to Lyanna recognized would be one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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