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19 hours ago, The Boastful Knight said:

Agreed, but where were all the tits? We had one scene with Missandei and Grey worm but other than that I can't even recall another full nude scene. With Cersei and Jaime everything was implied, but not shown. The Dany and Jon stuff at the end too, was very softcore, you could hardly see anything. Far be it from me to defend D&D, but I think the "too much nudity in GoT" accusations had always been over exaggerated. If anything they became more prudish as the years went by maybe because of the criticisms and there was less nudity in the show.

And this is just my opinion, but I wouldn't have a problem with nudity itself if there was substance behind it. If i want nudity without that, I watch porn. Here there wasn't much substance except in a few cases (strangely enough, the Missandei and Grey Worm stuff you could argue was for character development for Grey Worm which would be nice if anyone cared about Grey Worm).

Good question. WHERE are the tits people keep talking about? And the actress who plays Dany announced she wouldn't do any more nude scenes after Season 2. Her acting range seems to be stuck between "I'm experiencing intestinal discomfort" and "I'm experiencing severe intestinal discomfort." At least, without clothes, we didn't notice her limited range of emoting too much. ^_^

Speaking of porn, those old porn's of the seventies had more character development than the past few seasons of Game of Thrones.

 

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6 hours ago, Edward Teach said:

That rock they were standing on isn't floating on top of the water, you know. The water are shallow around it, that's why it was stupid that the wrights were 'afraid' to fall into the water. They could just as easily walk on the bottom of the lake all the way to the rock.

We know shallow waters can lead to wormholes though. Maybe they were worried theyd fall in one jamie style and appear randomly elsewhere in westeros. Makes perfect sense really......

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4 hours ago, 3sm1r said:

I agree. She was also pretty bad in the theatrical version of Breakfast at Tiffany's.

I'm sorry 'cause she looks like a nice person, so I don't really like to be mean but... I'm starting to think that they dumb down her lines in order to make them easier to perform. And in previous seasons she was much worse.

She's supposed to portray one of the most interesting character in the show but it turns out to be one of the most boring ones.

She was actually good in the first season.  Not Bette Davis, but good.  I find it so strange that her performance has declined every year, and she is even 'almost good' once in a while now.  I would put it down to poor dialogue and direction, except that she was terrible in Terminator and Breakfast at Tiffany's....haven't seen any of her other stuff...

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I would agree that Clarke is getting a lot of bad dialogue and bad direction. The same can be said for many of the performers, particularly the less experienced ones (it may be that the more experienced actors are more capable of overcoming such issues or it may be that the show runners are providing less direction to those more experienced).

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4 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

I have to say I rewatched part of the finale, and Lena has become so predictable, I've been seeing the same facial tics, same monotone, same everything for years.  She is really overrrated at this point.  

And what's happened to Peter Dinglage's witty repartee?  I don't think this is about actor's talent, but direction and script.  The actors don't have anywhere to go with their characters now. 

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1 minute ago, LynnS said:

And what's happened to Peter Dinglage's witty repartee?  I don't think this is about actor's talent, but direction and script.  The actors don't have anywhere to go with their characters now. 

Maybe.  I thought Dinklage was more engaged this year, I said last year he was phoning it in, but I thought his performance was better this year, not that he's ever been bad.  The only people I could say have been bad are Kit and Emilia, LOL.  I do find sometimes Sophie's choices are inexplicable to me.  And Gillen's accent morphing all over the place was bad. But acting has always been a strong point for the show. 

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I think this episode's title is ripoff of the Witcher 3 video game scene of the title "The Wolf and the Swallow."  Don't watch if you haven't played the game and plan to--it is spoilery. But I will say the video game acting is better acted than anything in this show at this point. The title of this GoT episode mars the excellent Witcher 3.

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27 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

I have to say I rewatched part of the finale, and Lena has become so predictable, I've been seeing the same facial tics, same monotone, same everything for years.  She is really overrrated at this point.  

She's a normal actress, neither amazing nor embarrassing. Honestly, I think that in her conversation with Jaime they both did a decent job, considering that it was a poorly written scene. I mean, she's not Meryl Streep, but at least she doesn't shine for incompetence. 

38 minutes ago, Dolorous Gabe said:

I would agree that Clarke is getting a lot of bad dialogue and bad direction. The same can be said for many of the performers, particularly the less experienced ones (it may be that the more experienced actors are more capable of overcoming such issues or it may be that the show runners are providing less direction to those more experienced).

Clarke was even worse in seasons in which nobody had anything to complain about the writing. 

21 minutes ago, LynnS said:

And what's happened to Peter Dinglage's witty repartee?  I don't think this is about actor's talent, but direction and script.  The actors don't have anywhere to go with their characters now. 

Yes, Tyrion was less funny than in other seasons. But we can't blame Dinklage for that. 

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On 8/28/2017 at 0:55 AM, Hoo said:

Murder of LF was uncalled for.  

We all cheered when he killed Lysa and Sansa lied to save him.  He saved Sansa from Cersei.  He saved Jon and reclaimed Winterfell.

This was a bit iut of character, weird.

I get that this is the forum where nobody can criticize what you say. But I'll have to forsake that oath for the greater good in this situation.

Maybe you cheered when LF killed Lysa and Sansa lied to save him. I'm not sure anyone else did.

He "saved Sansa from Cersei" by arranging the death of the King that she would obviously be suspected to be involved with so that he could own her ass. He then delivered her to a renown sadist and rapist. 

He would tell you himself, like he told Sansa, that he didn't save Jon, he manipulated his way into being Lord Protector of the Vale so that he could reclaim Winterfell for Sansa so that he could marry her, uniting the North and the Vale under himself.

He also killed Jon Arryn, led Ned Stark to his execution through betrayal, and manipulated Catelynn Stark into thinking Tyrion tried to assassinate Bran, which lead to Ned's betrayal and execution.

He deserved to be executed. That much is clear. It could have been done in a much better way than this contrived 'twist' in which they chose to do it.

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10 hours ago, Neds Secret said:

Duh, everything important happens off screen, that's where lies the real story, the d$s are way too radical and before their time to resort to telling the story on the show, in front of the camera. That's what Amateurs do!

Ha ha ha! Exploring meaningful connections between people is the focus in a good show. This show puts that off screen, and focuses on nonsensical/cheap twists and shock.

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1 hour ago, 3sm1r said:

Clarke was even worse in seasons in which nobody had anything to complain about the writing. 

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that. I think the show runners have been directing her to be stoic and queenly at all times, not allowing Daenerys any kind of human emotion even in private, which in turn makes her come across badly. I think she was much better in S1, where she had a discernible character arc. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying she's a really good actress given no good material; only that the show runners bear some considerable responsibility for her performance. They got her to the point of stoic queenliness far too soon, so there was nowhere to go from there, and as a result the character comes across as annoying.

Many people had valid complaints about some of the writing even in S1 (quite a lot in S2). It's just that these complaints have gotten much worse and much more obvious as the series has worn on.

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I find it hard to blame the actors too much at this point. Not only is the dialogue atrocious, the storylines are nonsensical. And when they ask for insight, they are told to just say the lines.

Look at what he's saying here (and other actors have said the same things), he says "I don't know" over and over, and he has asked, he does ask, he told us that, too. They said just say the lines.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nikolaj-coster-waldau-breaks-down-that-huge-jaime-moment-on-game-of-thrones_us_59a41859e4b06d67e338fc5d

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This entire season has been predictable with awful dialogue. I tried to like the Winter fell SL but in the end I hated it. I hate that fact that Jon kneeled to Dany when he did not have to. He came off looking weak and imo he is being portrayed as an incompetent fool. Nothing this season portrays Jon/Dany as equals. How am I not looking forward to the last season? 

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I've been trying to think of what they could have done to improve the WF story this season, but I haven't come up with much.  If there had been a couple of secondary Northern lords that he might conspire with, that would have been a possibility.  But for any of it to have meaning it has to make Sansa fall for his manipulations, yet again....which is why I think they chose the really strange chopped up, talking at each other, scenes...that and of course, it was all for the audience to make them think that Sansa was going to have her sister executed on some trumped up charge...cause Arya has committed no treason, especially compared to her sister, LOL.

Two nitpicks.  Tyrion claims his sister tired to kill him TWICE, but the show established that one of those times it was Joff.  I guess he forgot.  Secondly, Dany says 'the witch who killed my husband' but ahem, she killed her husband, sure it was a mercy killing but MMD didn't kill Drogo.  

So hard to keep it all straight.  Cough Cough.

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7 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

I've been trying to think of what they could have done to improve the WF story this season, but I haven't come up with much.  If there had been a couple of secondary Northern lords that he might conspire with, that would have been a possibility.  But for any of it to have meaning it has to make Sansa fall for his manipulations, yet again....which is why I think they chose the really strange chopped up, talking at each other, scenes...that and of course, it was all for the audience to make them think that Sansa was going to have her sister executed on some trumped up charge...cause Arya has committed no treason, especially compared to her sister, LOL.

Two nitpicks.  Tyrion claims his sister tired to kill him TWICE, but the show established that one of those times it was Joff.  I guess he forgot.  Secondly, Dany says 'the witch who killed my husband' but ahem, she killed her husband, sure it was a mercy killing but MMD didn't kill Drogo.  

So hard to keep it all straight.  Cough Cough.

Nitpick threads were the stuff of Season 4. I still want to know who set the time and date for this wight meeting. Sansa was invited before it had even been captured!

They had no story to tell in Winterfell, is what it comes down to. Sansa should have executed LF last year, or could have easily opened to it this year. Any other plotline would have been preferable to the bait-and-switch idiocy we got (featuring homicidal sisters!), but I'm scratching my head as to what it could have been. Maybe Sansa is worried about the loyalty of some of the Lords to Jon, with winter setting in and stores going down and like...those two nebbish kids keeping their castles (like she said, "we do nothing about treason?")? Idk, it's some kind of tension that at least could have arisen from the situation, and maybe she juggles that while having difficulty relating to her two siblings and understanding what her place is as Lady of Winterfell. 

I also would have taken 7 episodes of Arya teaching everyone how to make pies. Littlefinger smirking on his wall spot was not exactly titillating. 

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1 minute ago, Chebyshov said:

Nitpick threads were the stuff of Season 4. I still want to know who set the time and date for this wight meeting. Sansa was invited before it had even been captured!

They had no story to tell in Winterfell, is what it comes down to. Sansa should have executed LF last year, or could have easily opened to it this year. Any other plotline would have been preferable to the bait-and-switch idiocy we got (featuring homicidal sisters!), but I'm scratching my head as to what it could have been. Maybe Sansa is worried about the loyalty of some of the Lords to Jon, with winter setting in and stores going down and like...those two nebbish kids keeping their castles (like she said, "we do nothing about treason?")? Idk, it's some kind of tension that at least could have arisen from the situation, and maybe she juggles that while having difficulty relating to her two siblings and understanding what her place is as Lady of Winterfell. 

I also would have taken 7 episodes of Arya teaching everyone how to make pies. Littlefinger smirking on his wall spot was not exactly titillating. 

LOL, of course Sansa being invited is itself a little bizarre, since Jon is already going to be there.  What would her role have been?  Who is she representing?  Just another dumb couple of lines put in without thought to get Bri out of WF.

WF has been a hellhole of stupidity since season 5.  Sansa and Arya maybe having an actual meaningful conflict in terms of ruling?  They alluded to it w/Arya wanting to execute the Northerners complaining about Jon but it was a one off.  No there there.  

LF for sure should have been dead at least early early in the season because he has devolved into a useless stalker, if they were going to keep him around all season they should have, oh I don't know, spent two hours brainstorming a storyline worthy of his skills...something intricate, deceptive and truly surprising.  LF fanning the flames of sibling rivalry for no discernable reason, all the while knowing Bran chaos is a ladder Stark is threat to him.  Ugh. 

It may be hopeless as usually I can come up with some kind of alternative or fix that is at least better than what the show did, but, here I've really got nothing.

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On 8/28/2017 at 2:09 AM, Hoo said:

To me it's s big wow to blame LF for Ned's death.  He wasn't even on Arya's list.  

The letter was a problem for Sansa against the northerners.  He got the letter as a safety measure but nosy Arya found it and made a big hoopla about if.

He did not do a single thing to pin Arya against Sansa.  

The only reason Sansa killed LF is because she was tired of him.  No other reason.  Sansa has become Cersei.

spoiler alert: Arya had no way of knowing of LF's betrayal of Ned. That is why he wasn't on her kill list, not because she knew what he did, but didn't blame him for it.

He clearly planted the letter for Arya to find. Did you not see when they showed him watching her in his room and smiling to himself about it?

At first I wondered if you were trolling... now I'm almost certain.

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I thought they seriously underplayed the reveal to the characters that LF was behind Ned's death.  That information should be devastating to Sansa, to find out that literally EVERYTHING bad that happened to her was caused by LF.

And, even if they weren't going to shoot a scene where this fact is revealed to her, at the very least, shouldn't she have started out with that as his top crime?  Not the murder of Lysa...a murderer herself?  And not even a Northerner? 

Ugh.  

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49 minutes ago, Arya_StarkFan said:

This entire season has been predictable with awful dialogue. I tried to like the Winter fell SL but in the end I hated it. I hate that fact that Jon kneeled to Dany when he did not have to. He came off looking weak and imo he is being portrayed as an incompetent fool. Nothing this season portrays Jon/Dany as equals. How am I not looking forward to the last season? 

Even some of Tyrion's lines bugged me for some reason, like... "the most important person in the world cannot go to the most dangerous place in the world", couldn't they write it differently?

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