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I really wish tv shows would just stop it with the cliff hangar endings. It used to be a way to tempt the audience back for the Autumn line up. This show is beyond the rating system yet they just can't let that particular gimmick go. Didn't give a wit for Littlefingers demise - hopefully in the books it will have more reason to it as we get a final explanation to his misdeeds. Jon and Dany hooking up via a booty call was just not sexy or romantic. Rhaegar and Lyanna flash back deserved to be longer, and why was Tyrion lurking? No way they are finishing this in another six episodes. I got a bad feeling next season will lead into a movie spin off. Just don't see it finishing in six more episodes. 8.5 out of 10.

Jon Snow (Knock knock.) "Hey. You up?"

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You know what? I tried to be positive. I tried to divorce the show from the books. I even tried to devise some sort of system, so that my personal feelings would be crushed by numbers. Sod it! This show is a disgrace. It's an insult to GRRM and his work. It is an insult to our intelligence. It is so stupid that it hurts my brain. And, what the most important thing is, it is earning huge amounts of money with brain dead scripts, unbelievable plots, characters that make no sense and the finale that opens with yet another mindless cock joke. This show is important for it is showing the nature the world that we live in. In the world where we face the threat of global warming, which is manifesting itself daily through droughts, torrential rains, tsunamis and hurricanes, in the world in which if you fly over the Alps today you will barely see any snow, but you will see where it used to be 10 years ago by bruised soil close to mountain peaks, in that world you have a clever and beautiful mind who wrote a masterpiece, based on real history, showing us the futility of greed, war and inhumanity, weaving the most beautiful carpet of characters and plots with colour, humanity, developed psychology, more levels and dimensions that we care to find out. And millions of humans read this and fell in love with it and became better people because of it. However, that beautiful magical carpet was thorn to shreds by a greedy corporation following the lead of two moronic untalented egomaniacs. And millions are enjoying the utter travesty, stupidity and abomination that this show represents. This is the world we live in - the army of living souls seeking more profound meanings and humanity against the army of the dead watching mindless bloodthirsty shows. There is divine irony in all of it, but I can only weep.

This episode and the entire show deserves only one mark - a resounding 1. 

Edited by Modesty Lannister

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I feel like the odd man out but oh well, gave it a 4.To me this was another OK episode at best, in a bad season.

I will probably put all my problems with it in the Rant and Rave section.

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Emilia Clark was often ridiculed for her acting, but most probably she was just told to act so one-dimensionaly because D&D probably wanted her to be a big powerful woman all the time. But this season Dany is surrounded by her equals and Emilia is showing that she's not as bad as everyone was saying. She's not brilliant either, but she's easily superior to Lena Heady, whose acting is just terrible. In the negotiation scene she was literally chewing the scenery with her teeth, which is what she always does by the way, though this time it was more obvious exactly because she was acting opposite Emilia. Whatever you can say about Emilia's acting, she easily better than Lena.

And to think that Lena is D&D's most favorite actors and that they changed Cersei, and therefore the entire main plot, just to accommodate Lena, that's simply mind-blowing.

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31 minutes ago, Modesty Lannister said:

You know what? I tried to be positive. I tried to divorce the show from the books. I even tried to device some sort of system, so that my personal feelings would be crushed by numbers. Sod it! This show is a disgrace. It's an insult to GRRM and his work. It is an insult to our intelligence. It is so stupid that it hurts my brain. And, what the most important thing is, it is earning huge amounts of money with brain dead scripts, unbelievable plots, characters that make no sense and the finale that opens with yet another mindless cock joke. This show is important for it is showing the nature the world that we live in. In the world where we face the threat of global warming, which is manifesting itself daily through droughts, torrential rains, tsunamis and hurricanes, in the world in which if you fly over the Alps today you will barely see any snow, but you will see where it used to be 10 years ago by bruised soil close to mountain peaks, in that world you have a clever and beautiful mind who wrote a masterpiece, based on real history, showing us the futility of greed, war and inhumanity, weaving the most beautiful carpet of characters and plots with colour, humanity, developed psychology, more levels and dimensions that we care to find out. And millions of humans read this and fell in love with it and became better people because of it. However, that beautiful magical carpet was thorn to shreds by a greedy corporation following the led of two moronic untalented egomaniacs. And millions are enjoying the utter travesty, stupidity and abomination that this show represents. This is the world we live in - the army of living souls seeking more profound meanings and humanity against the army of the dead watching mindless bloodthirsty shows. There is divine irony in all of it, but I can only weep.

This episode and the entire show deserves only one mark - a resounding 1. 

Great post! You perfectly summed the gist of the main problem with the show. Whether it is an insult to viewers' intelligence is up to an individual viewer to decide, but it undoubtedly is an insult to GRRM's master work. Of course, he's partially responsible for letting these two hacks toy with his story, but he's paying unfairly huge punishment (not only for him, but also for his fans) for that mistake.

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Endless cock jokes.

"In the end it all comes down to the cock, doesnt it?"  Well it did in this episode.

Best or at least equal to the best this season has had to offer.

My highest rating yet, a 9.5.

Lord Baelish died too easily.

Magical wall brought down by a magical dragon with a magical figure leading a magical army.  Whats not to understand?

Honestly, some of you pseudo-intellectuals with your endless over analyzing and self centered positions and lack of life-knowledge bring tears to my eyes.  Its a TV program, relax and enjoy it.

No aimed at anyone in particular BTW.  JMHO.

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5 on the post season 4 scale. (reminder this is relative to all shows on TV for me, this is about as low as GOT goes)

I might be being harsh, but I feel a certain level of expectations for a season finale.  This was a mediocre episode 6 in other seasons, a complete let down for a finale.

In earlier seasons this would have been a 9 or 10 episode.  It was all about dialogue and intrigue.   Sadly, now that dumb and dumber do almost all of the writing, they are unable to handle this on even a mediocre level.

The treaty scene was fine and the best part of the episode.  There was nothing great and tons of logical flaws, but it worked.  However, in earlier seasons this would have been great.  The Hound is (as usual) the MVP when he is given something to do.

Tyrion v Cersei was embarrassingly bad.  It depended on a sense of dread that no one believed was there. Heady did a fine job, Dinklage is clearly bored with the show at this point.  He knows he is reading garbage and has checked out.  The director should have his card pulled for how poorly that sequence was shot.  Jaime and Tyrion's talk was such a throw away, it was obvious this wasn't their last talk.  At least pretend one of these two is dying this episode and give them a send off worthy scene.

Winterfell was so bad.  It alone would have kept this episode from scoring an 8+.  Where I gave the Fellowship of the Wight stuff last week a pass on the stupidity of their plan (I dinged Ep5 for it), this episode has to take the entire weight of the stupidity of all the Sansa/Arya/LF scenes for the whole season.  Given a plot outline for this, ABC executives would have declared too juvenile for their after school specials and passed it on to their Saturday AM cartoon team.  Maybe Snidley Whiplash would have been appropriate to play LF's role.  As awful as it was, they could have at least given Sansa a moment of strength and growth.  As Arya moves in for the kill, Sansa orders her to stop.  "I am the Stark in Winterfell.  Father would have swung the sword himself.  I am going to do a terrible job of this (smile wickedly), but it my duty to do it."  This whole plotline should have been resolved in Episode 1.  Clearly D&D had no idea what to do with these characters so they wasted an entire season on this garbage.

The wall falls!  Everyone is shocked!  It was CGI worthy of SYFY's good shows.  Even the one bit of spectacle they gave us fell short.  So undead dragons breath force?  It wasn't melting, it wasn't making the wall so cold it became brittle and collapsed (how cool would that have looked?).  People should never be shown riding dragons, they always look like Never Ending Story.  If this show and it's budget can't do it, it should be perma-banned.

Cersei's shocking turn!!!!!  Thank god these two actors are still being professionals and reading these garbage lines like they are reading David Mamet.  NCW deserves an EMMY for pulling this turd out of the toilet and selling it as a diamond.  So what is Cersei's advantage.  She is going to do EXACTLY what her enemies asked her to do.  They will know instantly that she hasn't honored her agreement.  Of course since her armies can teleport, I guess it won't be noticed that they aren't marching north.  They are just waiting for the wizard to rest for eight hours.  No one leaves with Jaime, not even Bronn?

Aunt-F'er.  So this is what they put on screen to meet their shock and edgy quota?  A mommy-porn scene with a man and his aunt.  If I want to see that I can just dial it up on YouPorn.  Makes me wish they went back to genital warts and poop montages.

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10 minutes ago, legba11 said:

5 on the post season 4 scale. (reminder this is relative to all shows on TV for me, this is about as low as GOT goes)

I might be being harsh, but I feel a certain level of expectations for a season finale.  This was a mediocre episode 6 in other seasons, a complete let down for a finale.

In earlier seasons this would have been a 9 or 10 episode.  It was all about dialogue and intrigue.   Sadly, now that dumb and dumber do almost all of the writing, they are unable to handle this on even a mediocre level.

The treaty scene was fine and the best part of the episode.  There was nothing great and tons of logical flaws, but it worked.  However, in earlier seasons this would have been great.  The Hound is (as usual) the MVP when he is given something to do.

Tyrion v Cersei was embarrassingly bad.  It depended on a sense of dread that no one believed was there. Heady did a fine job, Dinklage is clearly bored with the show at this point.  He knows he is reading garbage and has checked out.  The director should have his card pulled for how poorly that sequence was shot.  Jaime and Tyrion's talk was such a throw away, it was obvious this wasn't their last talk.  At least pretend one of these two is dying this episode and give them a send off worthy scene.

Winterfell was so bad.  It alone would have kept this episode from scoring an 8+.  Where I gave the Fellowship of the Wight stuff last week a pass on the stupidity of their plan (I dinged Ep5 for it), this episode has to take the entire weight of the stupidity of all the Sansa/Arya/LF scenes for the whole season.  Given a plot outline for this, ABC executives would have declared too juvenile for their after school specials and passed it on to their Saturday AM cartoon team.  Maybe Snidley Whiplash would have been appropriate to play LF's role.  As awful as it was, they could have at least given Sansa a moment of strength and growth.  As Arya moves in for the kill, Sansa orders her to stop.  "I am the Stark in Winterfell.  Father would have swung the sword himself.  I am going to do a terrible job of this (smile wickedly), but it my duty to do it."  This whole plotline should have been resolved in Episode 1.  Clearly D&D had no idea what to do with these characters so they wasted an entire season on this garbage.

The wall falls!  Everyone is shocked!  It was CGI worthy of SYFY's good shows.  Even the one bit of spectacle they gave us fell short.  So undead dragons breath force?  It wasn't melting, it wasn't making the wall so cold it became brittle and collapsed (how cool would that have looked?).  People should never be shown riding dragons, they always look like Never Ending Story.  If this show and it's budget can't do it, it should be perma-banned.

Cersei's shocking turn!!!!!  Thank god these two actors are still being professionals and reading these garbage lines like they are reading David Mamet.  NCW deserves an EMMY for pulling this turd out of the toilet and selling it as a diamond.  So what is Cersei's advantage.  She is going to do EXACTLY what her enemies asked her to do.  They will know instantly that she hasn't honored her agreement.  Of course since her armies can teleport, I guess it won't be noticed that they aren't marching north.  They are just waiting for the wizard to rest for eight hours.  No one leaves with Jaime, not even Bronn?

Aunt-F'er.  So this is what they put on screen to meet their shock and edgy quota?  A mommy-porn scene with a man and his aunt.  If I want to see that I can just dial it up on YouPorn.  Makes me wish they went back to genital warts and poop montages.

Lol, what will you do if Jon does hook up Daenerys in the novels?

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23 minutes ago, Dawn of Fyre said:

Lol, what will you do if Jon does hook up Daenerys in the novels?

Can't answer until I read it.  I will be very disappointed if GRRM plays it as a mommy-porn book with Fabio on the cover would.  I have no problem with them hooking up.  I have a problem with how it was filmed. And for how D&D will smugly explain how edgy and ground breaking they are.

 

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Episode gets a 2 from me. The wall falling with the blue fire was the only thing that prevented it from being a one. Everything else was so blah. The damn Wight for Cersei scene took almost 40 minutes when it was all said and done, and almost nothing happened in that whole scene.

I have been waiting for LF's death for almost 2 seasons now, and they couldn't have pulled it off any worse. So are we to just pretend that Arya and Sandra were hating each other all that time? Sandra was almost as complicit as LF in some of the treachery she accused him of. Since when is Arya an executioner? One of the lamest scenes ever on this show.

Nice to know Sam could get to Winterfell from Oldtown traveling over 3000 miles in about a day and a half in a covered wagon.

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52 minutes ago, legba11 said:

5 on the post season 4 scale. (reminder this is relative to all shows on TV for me, this is about as low as GOT goes)

I might be being harsh, but I feel a certain level of expectations for a season finale.  This was a mediocre episode 6 in other seasons, a complete let down for a finale.

In earlier seasons this would have been a 9 or 10 episode.  It was all about dialogue and intrigue.   Sadly, now that dumb and dumber do almost all of the writing, they are unable to handle this on even a mediocre level.

The treaty scene was fine and the best part of the episode.  There was nothing great and tons of logical flaws, but it worked.  However, in earlier seasons this would have been great.  The Hound is (as usual) the MVP when he is given something to do.

Tyrion v Cersei was embarrassingly bad.  It depended on a sense of dread that no one believed was there. Heady did a fine job, Dinklage is clearly bored with the show at this point.  He knows he is reading garbage and has checked out.  The director should have his card pulled for how poorly that sequence was shot.  Jaime and Tyrion's talk was such a throw away, it was obvious this wasn't their last talk.  At least pretend one of these two is dying this episode and give them a send off worthy scene.

Winterfell was so bad.  It alone would have kept this episode from scoring an 8+.  Where I gave the Fellowship of the Wight stuff last week a pass on the stupidity of their plan (I dinged Ep5 for it), this episode has to take the entire weight of the stupidity of all the Sansa/Arya/LF scenes for the whole season.  Given a plot outline for this, ABC executives would have declared too juvenile for their after school specials and passed it on to their Saturday AM cartoon team.  Maybe Snidley Whiplash would have been appropriate to play LF's role.  As awful as it was, they could have at least given Sansa a moment of strength and growth.  As Arya moves in for the kill, Sansa orders her to stop.  "I am the Stark in Winterfell.  Father would have swung the sword himself.  I am going to do a terrible job of this (smile wickedly), but it my duty to do it."  This whole plotline should have been resolved in Episode 1.  Clearly D&D had no idea what to do with these characters so they wasted an entire season on this garbage.

The wall falls!  Everyone is shocked!  It was CGI worthy of SYFY's good shows.  Even the one bit of spectacle they gave us fell short.  So undead dragons breath force?  It wasn't melting, it wasn't making the wall so cold it became brittle and collapsed (how cool would that have looked?).  People should never be shown riding dragons, they always look like Never Ending Story.  If this show and it's budget can't do it, it should be perma-banned.

Cersei's shocking turn!!!!!  Thank god these two actors are still being professionals and reading these garbage lines like they are reading David Mamet.  NCW deserves an EMMY for pulling this turd out of the toilet and selling it as a diamond.  So what is Cersei's advantage.  She is going to do EXACTLY what her enemies asked her to do.  They will know instantly that she hasn't honored her agreement.  Of course since her armies can teleport, I guess it won't be noticed that they aren't marching north.  They are just waiting for the wizard to rest for eight hours.  No one leaves with Jaime, not even Bronn?

Aunt-F'er.  So this is what they put on screen to meet their shock and edgy quota?  A mommy-porn scene with a man and his aunt.  If I want to see that I can just dial it up on YouPorn.  Makes me wish they went back to genital warts and poop montages.

I loved every word you wrote. Can you get a gig and write the next season? I'd watch that with gusto of a pseudo-intellectual that I am. :-)

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10!!!!!!!   Well 9.9 because they totally dropped the ball casting Rheager

The first book was published over 20 yrs ago and R+L=J has been a part of GoT for almost that long and a part of the stories lexicon. To actually hear the words and hear the name gave me chills. I know we all knew it, I know the spoilers are everywhere, but last night was 20 yrs in the making. Just a little disappointing that George didn't reveal his biggest and best kept secret. 

Another amazing moment was almost every single POV in the same scene. All I can think of is who George would have chosen to tell the story. Not one Stark at the meeting. The pack will not be broken up again

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7 - better than the travesty last week, but nothing in this episode was as good as Euron's water battle and the Field of Fire battle. Overall the only thing this season has had going for it are battles and dragon FX.

Is it just me or does GoTs seem a lot less adult now? It doesn't feel as gory or thematically disturbing anymore. Incest has kind of become accepted as love - perhaps that is disturbing in itself. Other than that, there aren't any nasty elements now, which makes it kind of boring. It's like it used to be rated R and now it's MA or something - like it's been downgraded to a kids show.

Best bit of the episode was Qyburn looking at the wights hand.

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12 hours ago, Ran said:

What'd you think?

Ran - we need a "rate the season" thread!

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I genuinely think this was one of the worst episodes of GOT. 

The whole Dragonpit scene was just terribly boring - it was just people talking in a circle, asserting positions we already knew they held, to be resolved in the only possible way just as everybody predicted long long before it happened. There was no twist at all, nothing to redeem it. It was a culmination of a nonsensical plot that has acted as a giant black hole for all logic, characterisation and suspension of disbelief. It was then accompanied by execution that created even more plot holes. Seriously, now that the truce no one should have proposed in the first place fell through, why doesn't Dany just attack KL? Her entire army is there! She's there! It will take like an hour! WTF. This entire sequence should not have lasted more than 5 min.

Then the Winterfell plotline upped the stakes by going from just dull to downright offensive. This entire plotline has been a travesty from start to finish and whatever resolution you expected from it, the show just chose to completely side-step it. One of the biggest human villains of the entire series was killed by the protagonists like a punk in a completely unearned way after first necessitating sympathetic characters turning into caricatures of themselves. 

The NK was cool but that scene was so obviously telegraphed last episode that I don't understand how anybody could have expected anything else. Including the characters involved who seemed shocked - shocked I tell you! - to learn the NK could cover the same ground Gendry ran over in a few hours over the course of a few weeks. I suppose he must have stopped for brunch.

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3 hours ago, Modesty Lannister said:

You know what? I tried to be positive. I tried to divorce the show from the books. I even tried to devise some sort of system, so that my personal feelings would be crushed by numbers. Sod it! This show is a disgrace. It's an insult to GRRM and his work. It is an insult to our intelligence. It is so stupid that it hurts my brain. And, what the most important thing is, it is earning huge amounts of money with brain dead scripts, unbelievable plots, characters that make no sense and the finale that opens with yet another mindless cock joke. This show is important for it is showing the nature the world that we live in. In the world where we face the threat of global warming, which is manifesting itself daily through droughts, torrential rains, tsunamis and hurricanes, in the world in which if you fly over the Alps today you will barely see any snow, but you will see where it used to be 10 years ago by bruised soil close to mountain peaks, in that world you have a clever and beautiful mind who wrote a masterpiece, based on real history, showing us the futility of greed, war and inhumanity, weaving the most beautiful carpet of characters and plots with colour, humanity, developed psychology, more levels and dimensions that we care to find out. And millions of humans read this and fell in love with it and became better people because of it. However, that beautiful magical carpet was thorn to shreds by a greedy corporation following the lead of two moronic untalented egomaniacs. And millions are enjoying the utter travesty, stupidity and abomination that this show represents. This is the world we live in - the army of living souls seeking more profound meanings and humanity against the army of the dead watching mindless bloodthirsty shows. There is divine irony in all of it, but I can only weep.

This episode and the entire show deserves only one mark - a resounding 1. 

Oh ffs...really?  Just when I thought people on this forum couldn't possibly be more condescending and self-important, someone posts this "gem."

Might as well post the TL;DR:  Everyone who enjoys this television show is a witless rube while those who agree with me are deep and sensitive souls who deserve to inherit the earth.

My gawd, do you people ever stop and listen to yourselves?  To keep it in ASOIAF terms, it's really the sort of attitude best exemplified by Cercei Lannister.

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1 hour ago, ummester said:

Is it just me or does GoTs seem a lot less adult now? It doesn't feel as gory or thematically disturbing anymore. Incest has kind of become accepted as love - perhaps that is disturbing in itself. Other than that, there aren't any nasty elements now, which makes it kind of boring. It's like it used to be rated R and now it's MA or something - like it's been downgraded to a kids show.

Best bit of the episode was Qyburn looking at the wights hand.

Yes, it feels like the nudity and gore are now just there to remind people they can do it.  Odd, considering the show has descended into spectacle and fan service.

I forgot about Qyburn, yes I loved that moment!  The show is much better when people don't talk it seems.

 

I couldn't think of a stupid name for the Dragonpit to mock it.  I'm thinking The Armpit Summit.  Looking for better names...

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1 hour ago, Modesty Lannister said:

I loved every word you wrote. Can you get a gig and write the next season? I'd watch that with gusto of a pseudo-intellectual that I am. :-)

Flattery will get you nowhere!  But a thank you! :)

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Glad the Sansa Arya plot has worked itself out. Didn't really like it but at it finally ended Littlefinger I'm ok with it.

The only surprise with the Cersei story was Jamie leaving. Wish Bronn had gone with him. Hopefully we get a more redemptive arc for him now.

Not a huge death-toll this year but I guess the show's attrition over the previous few years meant there weren't as many major characters left to kill.

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