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Best episode of the season by far.  Good dialogue, good writing, good payoff and ending to the Littlefinger story.  Great Cersei-Tyrion scene.  Sansa finally comes into her own, having learned from the master.  I also liked how they handled the Jon-Dany sex by making it gross by revealing it's actually incest right before it happened.  It wasn't as cheesy as feared.  Have to give credit to D&D when it's deserved.  (Well, not on this hateful board..)

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1 hour ago, GrapefruitPerrier said:

Ran - we need a "rate the season" thread!

Agreed.

I rated each episode on its own, not trying to have previous episodes impact the next one, whether positive or negative. But after a night of sleep I woke up with the feeling that the finale totally sucked the soul out of the story. They've done enraging and maddening stuff (Sansa-Ramsay marriage, Stannis, the North has Amnesia) and they've dragged their feet, but this whole season was beyond pointless and most of what wasn't pointless was done in haste and shoddily.

I gave this episode a 5 yesterday, but in retrospect should have given it max a 4: the WF "we're gonna get LF" plot only deserved its points previous episode. It was a throwaway scene this episode and the should have perhaps given us a flashback with Bran and the sisters setting it up. It was still a let's drag this inevitabl death on for a whole season. As a conclusion to that whole plot it was very very underwhelming.

For a finale episode, the whole dragonpit and Cersei "will she? will she not?" was just boring. Qyburn and the "hand", the Hound knocking on the chest in the boat, and apprehensive about the wight to come out of the box, the Brienne convo and his fatherly smile when he learned that Arya can hold her own that said, "That's my she-wolf" were the nice tidbits about it. I rewarded the episode for such small little tidbits, but as a season finale there was only 10-15 mins worth of watching these things. And when having 80 mins of time to do things, then I actually should detract a point, and end up giving it a 3. 

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4 minutes ago, sweetsunray said:

Agreed.

I rated each episode on its own, not trying to have previous episodes impact the next one, whether positive or negative. But after a night of sleep I woke up with the feeling that the finale totally sucked the soul out of the story. They've done enraging and maddening stuff (Sansa-Ramsay marriage, Stannis, the North has Amnesia) and they've dragged their feet, but this whole season was beyond pointless and most of what wasn't pointless was done in haste and shoddily.

I gave this episode a 5 yesterday, but in retrospect should have given it max a 4: the WF "we're gonna get LF" plot only deserved its points previous episode. It was a throwaway scene this episode and the should have perhaps given us a flashback with Bran and the sisters setting it up. It was still a let's drag this inevitabl death on for a whole season. As a conclusion to that whole plot it was very very underwhelming.

For a finale episode, the whole dragonpit and Cersei "will she? will she not?" was just boring. Qyburn and the "hand", the Hound knocking on the chest in the boat, and apprehensive about the wight to come out of the box, the Brienne convo and his fatherly smile when he learned that Arya can hold her own that said, "That's my she-wolf" were the nice tidbits about it. I rewarded the episode for such small little tidbits, but as a season finale there was only 10-15 mins worth of watching these things. And when having 80 mins of time to do things, then I actually should detract a point, and end up giving it a 3. 

This is part of what drove me crazy with last night's episode. There was no reason at all to have it run 80-90 minutes long. They barely had 60 minutes worth of content that they stretched out. 

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51 minutes ago, Son_of_Feanor said:

Oh ffs...really?  Just when I thought people on this forum couldn't possibly be more condescending and self-important, someone posts this "gem."

Might as well post the TL;DR:  Everyone who enjoys this television show is a witless rube while those who agree with me are deep and sensitive souls who deserve to inherit the earth.

My gawd, do you people ever stop and listen to yourselves?  To keep it in ASOIAF terms, it's really the sort of attitude best exemplified by Cercei Lannister.

Her post would be entirely wrong, if there wasn't one little fact: the show really is terrible. And that makes her right. And that means that her post hit the target. Nothing you can do about it, except feeling hurt. Which you obviously are. Yeah, the truth hurts sometimes.

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10/10

I've been waiting for The Wall to come down for something like 18 years. Would I rather have had it happened in the books? No question. But come'on, this is what we were waiting for! This episode was a genuine tour-de-force spectacle, logic and character development be damned.

And we'll still have the books for the real story (I hope).

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Somewhere between an 8.5 and a 9. It was an excellent episode with fantastic dialogue, lots of great scenes between individual characters (Brienne and the Hound, the Blackwater reunion, Jon and Theon, and most of all, Cersei and Tyrion). There were some exciting  moments, like the reveal of Cersei's betrayal, Jaime abandoning her, Littlefinger's death and of course, the wall coming down. We knew that last bit was coming, but it was still done very effectively and felt completely terrifying. But I think I appreciated this episode for slowing down a little and giving us what the show does best: diplomacy and relatable and well developed characters with different goals clashing. I loved it.

The episode loses some points for being predictable and not really having any moments that took me completely by surprise or that were particularly bold. In comparison to last season's finale: both were excellent episodes, but last year they went way further than I expected by killing off half of the King's Landing cast, and there was the big Jon reveal. I was hoping we might get at least a reveal about the White Walkers and their motivations this episode. And while I enjoyed the resolution to the Winterfell plot and am relieved that the Stark kids united against Littlefinger, the whole thing was still a bit too silly and relied too much on misleading the audience so we could be surprised by a TWIST!!! I'm not a huge fan of that mode of storytelling.

Also, I know that half of this board only exists to constantly harp on how they think this is the worst show ever and an insult to GRRM's masterpiece (which... ok, because as much as I love these books, they have many flaws too, particularly in the last two books), but this thread really does expose how the show can't win with some viewers no matter what it does. The past two episodes when the plot was moving at breakneck speed to get to amazing set pieces: "Where's the set up? Where's the character moments? Where's the dialogue?" This episode when it slows down to give us lots of character moments and development and set up: "where are the set pieces? Why do we have thirty minutes of dialogue and characters interacting? This show is so boring!!!"

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11 hours ago, Lurid Jester said:

Assuming the NK can see the future... not sure im there yet.  

Unless... "HE" came from the future to see the past

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1 hour ago, Son_of_Feanor said:

Oh ffs...really?  Just when I thought people on this forum couldn't possibly be more condescending and self-important, someone posts this "gem."

Might as well post the TL;DR:  Everyone who enjoys this television show is a witless rube while those who agree with me are deep and sensitive souls who deserve to inherit the earth.

My gawd, do you people ever stop and listen to yourselves?  To keep it in ASOIAF terms, it's really the sort of attitude best exemplified by Cercei Lannister.

They are just trolling to illicit a response from people... general rule is to just ignore these types of posts as your reaction is what their goal is. 

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6 minutes ago, Caligula_K3 said:

The past two episodes when the plot was moving at breakneck speed to get to amazing set pieces: "Where's the set up? Where's the character moments? Where's the dialogue?" This episode when it slows down to give us lots of character moments and development and set up: "where are the set pieces? Why do we have thirty minutes of dialogue and characters interacting? This show is so boring!!!"

First, not all ranters agree on what they dislike.

Secondly, the issue is more with regards to overall pacing:

  • set-up was epi 5, and that was rushed
  • then epi 6 we have character dialogue and action but so drawn out, with so much timeline fudging and faux-drama except for Viserion's death and Thoros being grabbed by a bear,
  • finale minutae of everyone's face at the dragonpit meeting, with a flip-flopping Cersei for a plotline that made pretty much all of S7 pointless and after dragging their feet for seasons on LF's undoing a hasty dispatch. Most of the finale dialogue, especially KL related added very little, and was some version of what we already saw. It hardly showed character progress, or long overdue. Tyrion still tries to reason with Cersei, trying to get her to admit that he's not horrible after all, and Cersei blames him as much as she did in S2. Did we see or hear anything that could not just have been plucked out of Tyrion's time as Hand in KL? No. Jaime's convo with Cersei should have happened last season or start of this season. Keeping characters stationary for 3 seasons and then finally show progress of what should have happened seasons before is not fully rewarding dialogue. And the last issue also exists for Sansa at WF with regards LF. Brienne Hound convo was one of the few convos that actually followed a line of progress: Brienne sort of admitting that she messed up, giving feedback to the Hound about Arya, and the Hound giving a hint of pride as if she was a daughter to him. 
  • The battle of Spoils of Wars worked far better than the dragged out Beyond the Wall battle. I actually found the dialogue of epi 6 superior to 5 and 7.

The criticism seems contradictory only on the surface. But the fundamental all-rounding criticism is that the quality of pacing and dialogue is various and often at the wrong moment.

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Having read all the posts seeming to imply that only stupid idiots would like this episode, alas, I liked this episode.  As a book reader, it comes nowhere close.  But there is no book.  There is this show and I really liked what happened.  I actually would give it a 9 but since it is the last one, I gave it the only 10 this season.  Characters acted pretty much as they should.  I liked LF being outed, but I wish Sansa had killed him.  As I think of it, has Sansa killed anyone????  I liked all 3 Starks at the meeting hall.  Knowing that Cersei was acting in concert with Euron, without Jaime's knowledge, pretty much tells us the baby is Euron's (if there is a baby at all).  Jaime leaving on his own let us hope that he is finding his own way to rightness.  Jon didn't lie because he just doesn't, Ned 2.0 doesn't lie. Theon's attempts to reclaim himself were appreciated and I hope he saves Yara.  Jon and Dany was pretty well done.  The filming was not so tight that we had to see every expression but we did get Jon's face with Bran was telling us that we were looking at the true claimant to the throne.  

The one moment that gave me pause was Tyrion outside the hall in the boat, knowing (I guess) that Jon and Dany were together.  Was he sad because he loves Dany or was he happy that his 'secret' plan (jon and dany marrying) is working out or was it something else entirely?

10.

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35 minutes ago, StepStark said:

the show really is terrible

So the show is terrible just because you say so?  is it so hard to accept that others actually like the show?

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5/10

It was nicely done, but it seemed formulaic, from the banter between the usual suspects to the telegraphed reversals (Littlefinger's 'imagine the worst', Daenerys and her 'the only way to get pregnant is to try!', and Jon and his truth-telling - I'd be amazed if there was a single person who believed Cersei wasn't lying about her decision).

Theon gets kicked in the balls, of course. Come on now. That was just goofy and played for laughs. Speaking of which, the Night King on a dragon looks silly. He looks far more imposing on horseback than this. It's almost comedic. But all in all I'm glad we got to see Cersei have some time again. Lena Headey is by far the most impressive actress on the show and it sure beats having Jon and his Queen stare at each other.

I suppose I'm not too excited for the final season. I find the lack of context about the Night King very dull. Heck, even the name Night King alone is only slightly better than Dark Lord. A disappointing season!

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23 minutes ago, sweetsunray said:

First, not all ranters agree on what they dislike.

Secondly, the issue is more with regards to overall pacing:

  • set-up was epi 5, and that was rushed
  • then epi 6 we have character dialogue and action but so drawn out, with so much timeline fudging and faux-drama except for Viserion's death and Thoros being grabbed by a bear,
  • finale minutae of everyone's face at the dragonpit meeting, with a flip-flopping Cersei for a plotline that made pretty much all of S7 pointless and after dragging their feet for seasons on LF's undoing a hasty dispatch. Most of the finale dialogue, especially KL related added very little, and was some version of what we already saw. It hardly showed character progress, or long overdue. Tyrion still tries to reason with Cersei, trying to get her to admit that he's not horrible after all, and Cersei blames him as much as she did in S2. Did we see or hear anything that could not just have been plucked out of Tyrion's time as Hand in KL? No. Jaime's convo with Cersei should have happened last season or start of this season. Keeping characters stationary for 3 seasons and then finally show progress of what should have happened seasons before is not fully rewarding dialogue. And the last issue also exists for Sansa at WF with regards LF. Brienne Hound convo was one of the few convos that actually followed a line of progress: Brienne sort of admitting that she messed up, giving feedback to the Hound about Arya, and the Hound giving a hint of pride as if she was a daughter to him. 
  • The battle of Spoils of Wars worked far better than the dragged out Beyond the Wall battle. I actually found the dialogue of epi 6 superior to 5 and 7.

The criticism seems contradictory only on the surface. But the fundamental all-rounding criticism is that the quality of pacing and dialogue is various and often at the wrong moment.

I think these are well thought out points and criticisms of the episode and season (and just to be clear, I have no problem with criticisms of the show that are constructive like this; it's more the "D&D are idiots, this show is the worst show, they've destroyed a masterpiece etc.." line of criticism that I've gotten pretty tired of in the last five years). I'll have to disagree with you about a lot of it- I didn't think that the pacing of the dialogue scenes in episode 6 or 7 was particularly slow, and I do think it developed the characters in new ways. In episode 6, Jorah admitted that what he had done was wrong and rejected his birthright; Tormund and the Hound bonded (and had fun banter); Gendry had to start getting over his hatred of the Brotherhood; Jon and Beric talked about why they were brought back from the dead.

In episode 7, the Tyrion and Cersei scene definitely does something new: it forced Cersei to confront her defense mechanism for moving past her personal fault in the collapse of her family (everything is Tyrion's fault!) and acknowledge that she couldn't bring herself to directly order his death. That felt like a huge moment, and the entire scene built on their entire history, including many things that have happened since Season 2, not least the deaths of Tywin, Myrcella, and Tommen. To me it felt like a culmination of the characters' histories and plots so far, in a way a lot of the interactions between characters in season 7 has. And those interactions have definitely been my favourite part of the season.  The Jon-Theon scene is another case in point. Two characters that are mirror versions of each other finally getting to talk and discuss Theon's crimes and atonement felt like a huge turning point for Theon's character, and a better use of Jon than we've gotten most of the season.

As for Jaime and Winterfell... I'll have to agree with you more than disagree with you there. Jaime is still a great character on the show, and is acted incredibly well, but his arc has started and stalled so many times that his repudiation of Cersei did lose some power. It's still a moment I'm happy finally happened, and which affected me, but this probably could have happened much earlier in the season. The Winterfell plotline also suffered from this: Littlefinger's downfall was satisfying, but the how is still pretty unclear. When did the Starks unite? Were they playing him the whole time? If they united three episodes ago, why didn't they just confront him then? Etc...

And finally, I'll agree with you that The Spoils of War was the best episode and battle of the season. I did think that this episode was a very nice rebound from the weaker "Eastwatch" and "Beyond the Wall" though (and I still enjoyed both those episodes), and part of that was due to the increased focus on diplomacy and character moments and the slower pace.

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21 minutes ago, LordImp said:

So the show is terrible just because you say so?  is it so hard to accept that others actually like the show?

No, it's the other way around: it is terrible, and that's why I'm calling it terrible.

And where did you get the idea that I don't accept that others actually like the show? LOL! I accept it, and @Modesty Lannister also accepts it, obviously. But what does it have to do with anything? Porn is also liked by many people, but it's still poorly written.

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Gave it a 9. Overall excellent, but with some minor flaws. Best episode of the season. Other than some time traveling issues and some half-assed writing, I thought the season was overall pretty good. Way better than Season 5, on par with Season 6. I do think it would have benefited greatly from having a full 10 episodes instead of 7, but, it is what it is.

At this point I don't expect too many more surprises, but it will feel nice just to have the storyline wrapped up next season. 

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2 hours ago, Son_of_Feanor said:

Oh ffs...really?  Just when I thought people on this forum couldn't possibly be more condescending and self-important, someone posts this "gem."

Might as well post the TL;DR:  Everyone who enjoys this television show is a witless rube while those who agree with me are deep and sensitive souls who deserve to inherit the earth.

My gawd, do you people ever stop and listen to yourselves?  To keep it in ASOIAF terms, it's really the sort of attitude best exemplified by Cercei Lannister.

Get over yourself and deal with the fact that there are a lot of people who did not "enjoy the show" and that these people are also entitled to their opinions. There are people who expect high standards from television shows. These standards are achieved today by many shows starting from "The Sopranos", "Breaking Bad" all the way to "Fargo", "Twin Peaks - The Return". Also, this particular show was based on ASOIAF books that represent GRRM's magnum opus. So, yes, many people expect a masterpiece to translate into a TV masterpiece and not a pile of garbage. If your bar is set low that is your thing. Mine isn't and will not be as long as there are talented filmmakers to push it as far as it can go.

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It was dull, boring and predictable.

The WF ending was disgusting, no matter how bad we (the audience) know LF is, he deserved a proper trial, not just an execution. The mere fact they presented that as "cool" and satisfying is nauseating.

It just confirmed all the plot holes people had noticed from episodes ago were just that, plot holes.

Horrible

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