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1 hour ago, House Martell said:

I was going to say he was at Eastwatch and now that the Wall fell Winterfell should know about it in no time because Gendry is on the way!...Seriously how awesome would it be if next season starts with an exhausted Gendry running through the Gates of Winterfell, a big FU from D&D to all the time trolls.

If they do that, he has to arrive all bedraggled, with a long beard, and spend 90 seconds running from the distance into the foreground, where he says "It's" and and then the theme song starts up and cuts him off.

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13 hours ago, GrapefruitPerrier said:

Yes, I think that might be the show happily-ever-after for Arya. Doubt it happens in the books.

In theory the ending should be the same or very similar, as they have stated multiple times. Not saying they'll marry (at this moment I don't think so) but if they end up together in some way it will happen in both mediums.

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13 hours ago, GrapefruitPerrier said:

Why did they bring the entire crew to KL but not Gendry? Seems a bit odd, and I hope Gendry does play a role moving forward. He needs to lead the Baratheons.

It would be insulting for Cersei, and they wanted an Alliance with her.

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13 hours ago, McAssey said:

I didn't see Gendry in this episode.  Or did I miss him among the crowd at KL?  Where might he be?  I am hoping for a happy reunion with Arya, and perhaps more, next season.

I guess it's one of these two possibilities:

He run when Tormund was shouting and survived like Beric and him.

He was already going to WF because Davos wanted him to go there in previus episodes.

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1 hour ago, LadyArwen said:

I just hope he got his hammer back. 

If not, I hope he can find somewhere who's talented enough to forge him a new one, but where would he find a smith like that? :)

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55 minutes ago, falcotron said:

If not, I hope he can find somewhere who's talented enough to forge him a new one, but where would he find a smith like that? :)

The fate of the hammer will be the same as with the helmet: lost and we won't see a new version of it. No bull, no Baratheon. Adoptive father Sandor intuitively knows his little girl isn't supposed to end up as Lady of Storms End. That's why he threw it away. ;)

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1 hour ago, Meera of Tarth said:

He was already going to WF because Davos wanted him to go there in previus episodes

^this. I think Davos sent him with dragonglass cargo to WF from Eastwatch. Might have done that even, before Jon arrived on horseback and the Hound makes ready to load the ship for departure to Dragonstone again with the captured wight.

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14 hours ago, Dawn of Fyre said:

Gendry abandoned her in the books, so they won't happen. And since there is Edric Storm in the novels, he would inherent Storm's End. Since he is  Baratheon bastard too, and older than Gendry. :)

He did not abandon her. She was going to Riverrun, back to her brother and mother, and they were all escorting her. She understood that enough to think of imagining riding with Gendry and joining the BwB herself, which she then dismissed as some story that Sansa would like.

Edric isn't older than Gendry. Gendry's in fact the eldest Baratheon bastard. At least Gendry is free to follow the girl of the tree. I could see Arya as a lady of a northern castle, sort of like the Mormonts, but not Lady of southron SE.

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26 minutes ago, sweetsunray said:

He did not abandon her. She was going to Riverrun, back to her brother and mother, and they were all escorting her. She understood that enough to think of imagining riding with Gendry and joining the BwB herself, which she then dismissed as some story that Sansa would like.

She offered him a place in Winterfell, to smith for her family. Gendry turned her down, citing his want for an actual cause to fight for. The brotherhood was that cause for him - I don't blame him for leaving her, but he left her. When I mean left her, I mean, Gendry did not want to go to Winterfell to smith for her family. After that, Arya was kidnapped. But that does not change the fact that he choose the BwB over her offer of a home. And that was one reason why she got upset and ran out of the cave or w/e the BwB was using for shelter. At that point, the Hound had snatched her.

I did get Edric mixed with in his age, but meh. My point about Gendry still stands - in the books, there is less chance for them to somehow have some fairytale ending that people seem to think they will. Like, he is one of the few male characters she befriended in the novels, so people automatically assume that he is the only one who could ever be a partner to her... Like... come on. Why does she need to get married, to fall in love? That seems cliche.

And why do people assume - not you, but others - that Gendry will magically fall in love with a twelve year old girl, even when he figures out how traumatized, almost psychopathic she has become. I guess they think he'll overlook all the murders, assassinations, and probably future assassinations. How can Gendry pull Arya back from the abyss that is almost ready to consume her.

Hell, the show has deteriorated in writing, so I would not be surprised if they did do Arya/Gendry marriage to solidify a reunion in friendship between the House Stark and Baratheon. But that would be lazy writing.

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5 hours ago, Dawn of Fyre said:

She offered him a place in Winterfell, to smith for her family.

She offered him a place in Riverrun to smith for her brother King Robb Stark. And he considered it, but increasingly displayed doubts, as they came across more and more evidence of "wolves" (Karstarks) committing war crimes, and not being all that different to commoners than Lannister soldiers. She's pretty much ashamed for what these soldiers have done herself. And Hoster Tully was a harsh ruler by the sound of it once.

5 hours ago, Dawn of Fyre said:

Gendry turned her down, citing his want for an actual cause to fight for. The brotherhood was that cause for him - I don't blame him for leaving her, but he left her. When I mean left her, I mean, Gendry did not want to go to Winterfell to smith for her family. After that, Arya was kidnapped. But that does not change the fact that he choose the BwB over her offer of a home.

He did. And despite her initial upsetness over it, she understands well enough and contemplates trying to find her way to them after the Twins, in a way agreeing with their cause herself. You do blame him for "leaving her", enough, to find it an argument for them never to cross each other's path again.

In the books, she does not explicitly offer him her family or herself as "his family". In contrast, she makes it clear he is not family, when he pretends to be her brother to protect her from a lecherous man who believes she's a peach.

5 hours ago, Dawn of Fyre said:

And that was one reason why she got upset and ran out of the cave or w/e the BwB was using for shelter. At that point, the Hound had snatched her.

Another incorrect representation: She did not run out of the barn they used for shelter because of her upsetness with him. She ran out of the barn, because they learned that Catelyn and Robb had left Riverrun for the Twins and only the Blackfish remained at Riverrun, an uncle who would not know her and could not identify her, and the BwB were squabbling about what to do with her. Beric had promised to unite her with her brother, and now had changed his mind to send her to Acorn Hall or to even send her to his castle Blackhaven in the Dornish Marshes. And Lem talked of her as a burden. She was angy and ran outside in the rain, not even meaning to actually run away, when Sandor snatches her and rides off with her.

But in a bigger scheme, yes she was full of anger against everyone. She rode with Edric Dayne instead of Gendry as a type of punishment. Then Edric told her how Ned Stark had loved Ashara Dayne before her mother and finally the BwB and Beric conclude they cannot deliver her to Riverrun.

6 hours ago, Dawn of Fyre said:

My point about Gendry still stands - in the books, there is less chance for them to somehow have some fairytale ending that people seem to think they will.

I don't think it stands at all. Arya has long forgiven him. He is still with the BwB and that in a very particular Arya related position: he surrounded himself with Arya's "ghosts". While readers paint LS as only being out to revenge the Red Wedding, she set up an orphanage at the Crossroads Inn, where sparrows deliver wandering, homeless and parentless children often. This is in part done for those children, but also to create the best opportunity for Arya to turn up again. Neither Gendry nor the BwB abandoned Arya. They follow Sandor to the Twins, but never catch up to him. Before they arrive the RW occurs. But it's following her that leads them to find Catelyn's body that the warged Nymeria retrieved from the river. Beric sacrifices his own life to resurrect her. It's clear he does that to reunite mother and daughter, as a tye of debt he owes Arya. The BwB interrogated Merett Frey to verify Arya's possible fate at the Twins, before hanging him. But The Crossroads Inn being turned into an orphanage is evidene that they traced Arya to that place: it is where Sandor and Arya fought the Tickler and Polliver. The bloodstains from that fight are still faintly visible on the floor by the time Brienne arrives there. The BwB kicked the temporary occupant out and installed the Heddle girls again and put Gendry there as a "guardian". If any sparrow brings in a wandering Arya, he's the most likely to recognize her. They also followed Arya's trace to Saltpans, because the BwB are highly vengeful against the Saltpans raiders. How much this all affected Gendry is hinted by his anger. If Gendry originally wanted to fight for the common people, he has become very hostile to anyone who might be Arya's enemy. He personally kills Biter with a spear. Biter is the man who chewed breasts of young girls at Saltpans.

Meanwhile, the youngest Heddle sister is about Arya's age, as bossy, and Brienne wonders whether she might be Arya. Her name is "Willow", a tree name, while Arya is referenced the tree girl (in a song written and made up for Gendry and Arya specifically). A willow is a romantic and sad tree. Subtextually, George makes quite clear that Gendry is angry, sad and looking for Arya still in the only way possible, and he makes weapons for her family, for her resurrected mother. In contrast, there is no trace of Edric Dayne for example and he likely left for Starfall, after Beric's death, his squire duty over.  

Does that mean that there will be a fairytale ending? Not, necessarily, but it certainly puts Gendry in the middle of the story of real Arya, despite the fact that she is not even in Westeros anymore. I have yet to see any Arya reference in a Davos chapter with Edric Storm, who's in Myr. 

6 hours ago, Dawn of Fyre said:

Like, he is one of the few male characters she befriended in the novels, so people automatically assume that he is the only one who could ever be a partner to her... Like... come on.

She befriended male characters easily, but he's the only one with which she has literary romantic links, even though they are pre-buscent romantic feelings. That is made clear when she for a moment fantasises about riding with the BwB after Sandor snatched her. The fact that she classes that fantasy with a song that Sansa would like is an indirect recognition by Arya that her feelings to ride alongside with him are romantic in nature. And aside from Jon, he is the sole male character who is still tied to Arya references.

And weren't you pairing her with Edric Storm earlier on? A boy she never met and who has not one Arya reference in the chapters he appears?

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Why does she need to get married, to fall in love? That seems cliche.

Then why are you pairing her with Edric Storm? Is that not inconsistent. And no, falling in love, is not necessarily cliche. It's as realistic and part of human life as hating someone is.

 

6 hours ago, Dawn of Fyre said:

And why do people assume - not you, but others - that Gendry will magically fall in love with a twelve year old girl, even when he figures out how traumatized, almost psychopathic she has become. I guess they think he'll overlook all the murders, assassinations, and probably future assassinations. How can Gendry pull Arya back from the abyss that is almost ready to consume her.

In the books he has latent romantic feelings as well already. Ohterwise George wouldn't have Brienne muse that the tree girl might end up marrying the smith boy. We wouldn't have Lem starting to chaperone Arya and Gendry and chastice Gendry for the Acorn Hall tumble, nor warn Gendry that "he won't be stealing any kisses from a princess", or Gendry be upset over her saying "you're not my brother" and responding with a taunt to find that girl to ring her bells after all. They're still innocent romantic feelings appropriate to her even younger age, but they're there.

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GRRM has confirmed that Arya will have her moonblood early. Arya has already alluded she'll start to grow a woman's body soon. He confirmed that Arya and Gendry will be revisited, but cautioned they are both still very young.

Arya is not psychopathic in the books at all. She cares deeply still for people and she heartily believes in justice. Sociopaths and psychopaths do not at all. Gendry himself is with the BwB, hanging Freys and Bloody Mummers and has speared Biter. Hot Pie was all upset over her having killed a HH guard, but Gendry gave no indication whatsoever that he was. He's making his own sword, and his time with the BwB and at HH can be assumed to indicate he knows well enough that swords are used to kill.

As for the show: they gave us a visual hint about Gendry possibly being the one able to stand between Arya's desire to earn faces. We witnessed the ruined and smashed in face of a gold cloak after he used his hammer. With him around, she will literally not be taking any faces. The show also indicated in the finale that Arya's desire to take faces is done. She talks of her father directly and missing him, admitting her feelings. Remember that she starts her list of names in the show on Yoren's advice after she asks him how to forget the events at Baelor's Sept. The fact that Arya talked about the execution in epi 6, aired her feelings about it, but also expresses mourning feelings about it to her sister in the finale, is an indication that she left the path that would have led her to taking Cersei's face to cross her off her list. Then we have Brienne mention to the Hound how the man who stands in Arya's way will need protection. And yet, Gendry already once physically stopped her from killing Sandor herself without her hurting Gendry for it.

7 hours ago, Dawn of Fyre said:

Hell, the show has deteriorated in writing, so I would not be surprised if they did do Arya/Gendry marriage to solidify a reunion in friendship between the House Stark and Baratheon. But that would be lazy writing.

I don't think the show means to make him Lord of SE either. They had the Hound toss the Baratheon hammer away.

I agree that the show is poorly and lazily written, but I don't think an Arya-Gendry reunion by itself is lazy writing at all.

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23 minutes ago, sweetsunray said:

She offered him a place in Riverrun to smith for her brother King Robb Stark. And he considered it, but increasingly displayed doubts, as they came across more and more evidence of "wolves" (Karstarks) committing war crimes, and not being all that different to commoners than Lannister soldiers. She's pretty much ashamed for what these soldiers have done herself. And Hoster Tully was a harsh ruler by the sound of it once.

He did. And despite her initial upsetness over it, she understands well enough and contemplates trying to find her way to them after the Twins, in a way agreeing with their cause herself. You do blame him for "leaving her", enough, to find it an argument for them never to cross each other's path again.

In the books, she does not explicitly offer him her family or herself as "his family". In contrast, she makes it clear he is not family, when he pretends to be her brother to protect her from a lecherous man who believes she's a peach.

Another incorrect representation: She did not run out of the barn they used for shelter because of her upsetness with him. She ran out of the barn, because they learned that Catelyn and Robb had left Riverrun for the Twins and only the Blackfish remained at Riverrun, an uncle who would not know her and could not identify her, and the BwB were squabbling about what to do with her. Beric had promised to unite her with her brother, and now had changed his mind to send her to Acorn Hall or to even send her to his castle Blackhaven in the Dornish Marshes. And Lem talked of her as a burden. She was angy and ran outside in the rain, not even meaning to actually run away, when Sandor snatches her and rides off with her.

But in a bigger scheme, yes she was full of anger against everyone. She rode with Edric Dayne instead of Gendry as a type of punishment. Then Edric told her how Ned Stark had loved Ashara Dayne before her mother and finally the BwB and Beric conclude they cannot deliver her to Riverrun.

I don't think it stands at all. Arya has long forgiven him. He is still with the BwB and that in a very particular Arya related position: he surrounded himself with Arya's "ghosts". While readers paint LS as only being out to revenge the Red Wedding, she set up an orphanage at the Crossroads Inn, where sparrows deliver wandering, homeless and parentless children often. This is in part done for those children, but also to create the best opportunity for Arya to turn up again. Neither Gendry nor the BwB abandoned Arya. They follow Sandor to the Twins, but never catch up to him. Before they arrive the RW occurs. But it's following her that leads them to find Catelyn's body that the warged Nymeria retrieved from the river. Beric sacrifices his own life to resurrect her. It's clear he does that to reunite mother and daughter, as a tye of debt he owes Arya. The BwB interrogated Merett Frey to verify Arya's possible fate at the Twins, before hanging him. But The Crossroads Inn being turned into an orphanage is evidene that they traced Arya to that place: it is where Sandor and Arya fought the Tickler and Polliver. The bloodstains from that fight are still faintly visible on the floor by the time Brienne arrives there. The BwB kicked the temporary occupant out and installed the Heddle girls again and put Gendry there as a "guardian". If any sparrow brings in a wandering Arya, he's the most likely to recognize her. They also followed Arya's trace to Saltpans, because the BwB are highly vengeful against the Saltpans raiders. How much this all affected Gendry is hinted by his anger. If Gendry originally wanted to fight for the common people, he has become very hostile to anyone who might be Arya's enemy. He personally kills Biter with a spear. Biter is the man who chewed breasts of young girls at Saltpans.

Meanwhile, the youngest Heddle sister is about Arya's age, as bossy, and Brienne wonders whether she might be Arya. Her name is "Willow", a tree name, while Arya is referenced the tree girl (in a song written and made up for Gendry and Arya specifically). A willow is a romantic and sad tree. Subtextually, George makes quite clear that Gendry is angry, sad and looking for Arya still in the only way possible, and he makes weapons for her family, for her resurrected mother. In contrast, there is no trace of Edric Dayne for example and he likely left for Starfall, after Beric's death, his squire duty over.  

Does that mean that there will be a fairytale ending? Not, necessarily, but it certainly puts Gendry in the middle of the story of real Arya, despite the fact that she is not even in Westeros anymore. I have yet to see any Arya reference in a Davos chapter with Edric Storm, who's in Myr. 

She befriended male characters easily, but he's the only one with which she has literary romantic links, even though they are pre-buscent romantic feelings. That is made clear when she for a moment fantasises about riding with the BwB after Sandor snatched her. The fact that she classes that fantasy with a song that Sansa would like is an indirect recognition by Arya that her feelings to ride alongside with him are romantic in nature. And aside from Jon, he is the sole male character who is still tied to Arya references.

And weren't you pairing her with Edric Storm earlier on? A boy she never met and who has not one Arya reference in the chapters he appears?

Then why are you pairing her with Edric Storm? Is that not inconsistent. And no, falling in love, is not necessarily cliche. It's as realistic and part of human life as hating someone is.

 

In the books he has latent romantic feelings as well already. Ohterwise George wouldn't have Brienne muse that the tree girl might end up marrying the smith boy. We wouldn't have Lem starting to chaperone Arya and Gendry and chastice Gendry for the Acorn Hall tumble, nor warn Gendry that "he won't be stealing any kisses from a princess", or Gendry be upset over her saying "you're not my brother" and responding with a taunt to find that girl to ring her bells after all. They're still innocent romantic feelings appropriate to her even younger age, but they're there.

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GRRM has confirmed that Arya will have her moonblood early. Arya has already alluded she'll start to grow a woman's body soon. He confirmed that Arya and Gendry will be revisited, but cautioned they are both still very young.

Arya is not psychopathic in the books at all. She cares deeply still for people and she heartily believes in justice. Sociopaths and psychopaths do not at all. Gendry himself is with the BwB, hanging Freys and Bloody Mummers and has speared Biter. Hot Pie was all upset over her having killed a HH guard, but Gendry gave no indication whatsoever that he was. He's making his own sword, and his time with the BwB and at HH can be assumed to indicate he knows well enough that swords are used to kill.

As for the show: they gave us a visual hint about Gendry possibly being the one able to stand between Arya's desire to earn faces. We witnessed the ruined and smashed in face of a gold cloak after he used his hammer. With him around, she will literally not be taking any faces. The show also indicated in the finale that Arya's desire to take faces is done. She talks of her father directly and missing him, admitting her feelings. Remember that she starts her list of names in the show on Yoren's advice after she asks him how to forget the events at Baelor's Sept. The fact that Arya talked about the execution in epi 6, aired her feelings about it, but also expresses mourning feelings about it to her sister in the finale, is an indication that she left the path that would have led her to taking Cersei's face to cross her off her list. Then we have Brienne mention to the Hound how the man who stands in Arya's way will need protection. And yet, Gendry already once physically stopped her from killing Sandor herself without her hurting Gendry for it.

I don't think the show means to make him Lord of SE either. They had the Hound toss the Baratheon hammer away.

I agree that the show is poorly and lazily written, but I don't think an Arya-Gendry reunion by itself is lazy writing at all.

God damn, son. You did your homework good. :P At this point, I guess a Gendry/Arya outcome just peeves me for some reason. I can't explain it. Although, I'm sure that whatever George does with Arya, it will be awesome - heartbreaking, maybe - but awesome nonetheless.

And now our watch has begun... for another year or two.

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Gendry is rowing a boat to Dragonstone. They don't let him use the teleporter because he is a bastard and even worse: Robert's bastard. Besides he is the fastest so he might actually make it before the end of a next season for his wedding.

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Don't worry.  It is known© that Gendry is going to run anti-sunwise around the world so fast and so many times that time will reverse and the wall will be restored.

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He definitely wouldn't go to the summit and face Cersei. He looks exactly like Robert and she may recall that they never found his last remaining bastard. He was seen leaving Eastwatch but my guess is he's going to Winterfell. No reason for him to go back down to KL or Dragonstone. Time for another Arya reunion :wub:

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19 hours ago, sweetsunray said:

^this. I think Davos sent him with dragonglass cargo to WF from Eastwatch. Might have done that even, before Jon arrived on horseback and the Hound makes ready to load the ship for departure to Dragonstone again with the captured wight.

Now that's just cold. He barely made it there a couple of hours ago and Davis is already sending him on another trek. Goddamnit Davos.

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20 hours ago, Dawn of Fyre said:

She offered him a place in Winterfell, to smith for her family. Gendry turned her down, citing his want for an actual cause to fight for. The brotherhood was that cause for him - I don't blame him for leaving her, but he left her. When I mean left her, I mean, Gendry did not want to go to Winterfell to smith for her family. After that, Arya was kidnapped. But that does not change the fact that he choose the BwB over her offer of a home. And that was one reason why she got upset and ran out of the cave or w/e the BwB was using for shelter. At that point, the Hound had snatched her.

I did get Edric mixed with in his age, but meh. My point about Gendry still stands - in the books, there is less chance for them to somehow have some fairytale ending that people seem to think they will. Like, he is one of the few male characters she befriended in the novels, so people automatically assume that he is the only one who could ever be a partner to her... Like... come on. Why does she need to get married, to fall in love? That seems cliche.

And why do people assume - not you, but others - that Gendry will magically fall in love with a twelve year old girl, even when he figures out how traumatized, almost psychopathic she has become. I guess they think he'll overlook all the murders, assassinations, and probably future assassinations. How can Gendry pull Arya back from the abyss that is almost ready to consume her.

Hell, the show has deteriorated in writing, so I would not be surprised if they did do Arya/Gendry marriage to solidify a reunion in friendship between the House Stark and Baratheon. But that would be lazy writing.

It's a fair assumption that he already is in love with her in the books, not that he will.

Needing to fall in love in regards to Arya? What it's ciche is to assume that because she is how she is, she can't have feelings. Falling in love (or not) has nothing to do with cliches, but about enriching the story with more elements that can be developed in any way, depending on the characters.

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