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"He has to know, we have to tell him..." WHY?

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3 hours ago, jcmontea said:

Yea. When order breaks down and people don't have good options rules get thrown out the window. 

Arya never cared about him being a bastard so that is probably not going to be the reason she doesn't think Jon should be the head of the family. 

Bran just doesn't care at this point. 

Sansa accepted him "your a Stark to me" (6x10) and when she suggests Bran should be lord of Winterfell is shut down by Bran. 

If none of the Stark siblings care about who is the "rightful" ruler why would anyone else.

its possible this also foreshadows how Jon will deal with him being the rightful heir to the Iron Throne. If none of his siblings asserted there rights vis-a-vis him, why would he assert his rights against Daenerys? 

I would be interested to know what happens if the rest of the Stark siblings/ northern lords do not agree to bending the knee and following Dany. Will the Stark siblings exert their claim then?

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2 hours ago, Apoplexy said:

I would be interested to know what happens if the rest of the Stark siblings/ northern lords do not agree to bending the knee and following Dany. Will the Stark siblings exert their claim then?

I would think de-facto they would have to since they would be in effect over throwing Jon in order to re-declare independence

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If Jon finds out his heritage bomb, he's not going to be the PtWP, he's going to be Azor Ahai King Jon who abdicates to Dany swearing allegiance to her as ruler. He'll go fight the good fight against the WW's, die, and Daenerys finds out she's with child...with the prince that was promised.

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On 9/14/2017 at 4:44 PM, Apoplexy said:

I would be interested to know what happens if the rest of the Stark siblings/ northern lords do not agree to bending the knee and following Dany. Will the Stark siblings exert their claim then?

I think if there was going to be friction on this issue it would have been obvious. Sansa knows about it, as does Arya I gather. Bran certainly does (he has the scroll in his hands when Sam visits). I suspect Sansa would have already told the Northern lords and gotten them under control by the time Jon comes. The idea in the finale was that the pack is getting together, not fighting with itself. And for now, at least, Jon is the pack alpha. By the time anything about his paternity comes out they'll be fully involved in the war against the NK, and I doubt anyone will have any time for something like this.

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2 hours ago, Hajk1984 said:

I think if there was going to be friction on this issue it would have been obvious. Sansa knows about it, as does Arya I gather. Bran certainly does (he has the scroll in his hands when Sam visits). I suspect Sansa would have already told the Northern lords and gotten them under control by the time Jon comes. The idea in the finale was that the pack is getting together, not fighting with itself. And for now, at least, Jon is the pack alpha. By the time anything about his paternity comes out they'll be fully involved in the war against the NK, and I doubt anyone will have any time for something like this.

HBO released the note that Jon sent Sansa after the finale. I think there was a reason for it.

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1 minute ago, Apoplexy said:

HBO released the note that Jon sent Sansa after the finale. I think there was a reason for it.

Maybe because people asked them what the note that Bran had actually said?
Not everything must have an ulterior motive. :)

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5 minutes ago, MinscS2 said:

Maybe because people asked them what the note that Bran had actually said?
Not everything must have an ulterior motive. :)

Maybe. But I think Jon's bending the knee will have some unpleasant consequences.

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1 hour ago, Apoplexy said:

HBO released the note that Jon sent Sansa after the finale. I think there was a reason for it.

Yeah I've read the released letter. He takes the position of warden and proclaims Dany the Queen. Nothing substantial here that doesn't already appear in Sansa's conversation with Littlefinger. Littlefinger is the one who wants to use this to create friction. Sansa plays him and ultimately executes him. 

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46 minutes ago, Hajk1984 said:

Yeah I've read the released letter. He takes the position of warden and proclaims Dany the Queen. Nothing substantial here that doesn't already appear in Sansa's conversation with Littlefinger. Littlefinger is the one who wants to use this to create friction. Sansa plays him and ultimately executes him. 

Littlefinger thought it was logically for Jon and Dany to marry which meant they were a threat to his plan to take throne for himself. In that scene he tried to turn her against Arya and Jon. He over played his hand. 

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On 13/09/2017 at 6:35 PM, King Jon Snow Stark said:

I agree. I think what's left of Bran in the 3eyed Raven wants to tell Jon because Jon is his family. He knows Jon wanted to know who his mother was. Sam also knows that Jon hated being a bastard. Jon being a legitimate Targaryen or Stark bastard makes no difference in the Great War. He is going to be fighting one way or the other. 

Yeah You might be right... He has to know who his parents are... For some reasons... 

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On 13/09/2017 at 6:18 PM, Apoplexy said:

I don't remember in the show, but I think Aemon mentioned TPTWP to Jon. Also, telling him about his heritage might help Jon understand the probable reason why he was brought back to life. 

And Bran's reasoning to tell him was probably to let him know that he is the Targaryen heir to the IT. What Jon chooses to do with that information is upto Jon.

Of course it is up to Jon... But when they spend that much time about Jon's Lineage, it makes it even more important for everyone... Not just an information about Jon and only for Jon... But it feels like it is something even more important than it appears to be.... Whilst I don't really see why...

He was brought back to fight the WW... He fought against them in season 5 episode 8 before dying... He didn't know he was a Targ... That's why I don't see how "Being a Targ" will change anything in Jon. He has always done the stupidest bravest thing, and will end up dead for that.

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Maybe he have seen the night king have turned the Viserion and knows Daenerys can ride Drogon, Jon rides Rhaegal and Bran can  warg into Viserion to stop the night king. 

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On 1/10/2018 at 4:08 AM, Being Daenerys Targaryen said:

Yeah You might be right... He has to know who his parents are... For some reasons... 

My assumption was he has to tell him because this is literally the one thing that Jon's always been wondering about and he knows. Showing there's still a little bit of Bran Stark under it all.

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On 2/2/2018 at 8:10 PM, Lord Lannister said:

My assumption was he has to tell him because this is literally the one thing that Jon's always been wondering about and he knows. Showing there's still a little bit of Bran Stark under it all.

I thought that too.  I know that Arya is Jon's biggest fanboy, but Robb and Bran love him too.  It shows a little bit of Bran peeking through.  That he would want to tell Jon the truth and let him know about his mother.  Hopefully more of Bran will come through in season 8.  That he can balance his power and being Brandon Stark. 

I think it helps that the person telling Jon about his true parentage really loves him.  That he is surrounded by family and friends. 

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I thought it was pretty obvious why Jon 'has to know'.  It's clear at this point that Bran's purpose is to help defeat the Night King.  He knows he's the chess player, and he knows he needs to make the right moves.  He isn't thinking about Jon's feelings, or how many times him and Dany are going to do the naked dance of dragons.  We know Jon also has a massive role to play in defeating NK, and Bran realises Jon needs to be Aegon Targaryen to fulfill that role.  Can't see there being any more or less to it than that. 

 

I imagine pretty much everything Bran does or says from now on will be him moving another chess piece to where it needs to be for the checkmate on his opponent.

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