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Tinfoil theory but GRRM has supposedly stated that multiple Great Houses will be extinct by the end, what if it's all the houses? Starks, Lannisters, Targaryens, etc. A new dynasty (with a Stark/Targaryen sitting on the throne, war of roses parallel?), a new system (not democracy obviously but a better system), and a new seat for the new King and Queen (Harrenhal, possibly). 

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38 minutes ago, TRILOGY said:

Tinfoil theory but GRRM has supposedly stated that multiple Great Houses will be extinct by the end, what if it's all the houses? Starks, Lannisters, Targaryens, etc. A new dynasty (with a Stark/Targaryen sitting on the throne, war of roses parallel?), a new system (not democracy obviously but a better system), and a new seat for the new King and Queen (Harrenhal, possibly). 

Did he state that? 

My guess in terms of which houses will be extinct in terms of order or liklihood:

Likely:

Martel

Tyrell 

Possible:

Tully 

Coin Flip:

Baratheon - Does gendry get legitimized or not?

Doubtful:

Lannister - I assume Tyrion will have a kid no? 

No way: 

Targaryen - the restoration is real 

Absolutley no f*ing way; 

Stark 

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All major houses except Targaryen may end up legally extinct, if not by blood, then at least by name, which would technically break the wheel, and we'd get a feudal system where the vassals are loyal to the crown and not to wardens/paramounts who are likely to rebel against the crown, meaning less wars and happier common folk.

- Martell and Tyrell are already gone in the show.
- Arryn might be about to go extinct, because Robin may die before having any children, or he may simply be impotent sexually as well as physically. Either way, we all know something is wrong with that kid.
- Tully is alive in Edmure, but ...where the f*ck is Edmure? I'd be slightly disappointed but not at all surprised if the show swiped him under the rug.
- They (as in Jon/Dany) may legitimize Gendry, but from a political and long-term standpoint, they really shouldn't. Alot of potential drama would end if house Baratheon went extinct. 
- Stark won't be extinct by blood, but if Bran doesn't snap out of his 3ER-form after the war, the last male heir won't father any children. It's possible that Sansa/Arya will keep the Stark name for themselves and their children if they marry, but that's not the norm in Westeros afaik.
- Tyrion may or may not end up having children with someone, but let's be honest for one second; He's not very young and he's had a really shitty experience with love. Him being in a position to end house Lannister and doing so would also be the ultimate middle-finger to Tywin, who only cared about the family legacy.

Edit: Of course, the exact opposite might happen and we'll get with wardens/paramounts who are all extremely loyal to the crown/Jon and Daenerys.

- Samwell as warden of the Reach.
- Tyrion as warden of the Westerlands.
- Gendry as warden of the Stormlands.
- Sansa as wardeness of the North.
- Robin as warden of the Vale.
- Edmure as warden of the Riverlands.
(- Yara/Theon ruler of the Iron Islands.)
...and as always, who the f*ck cares about Dorne. :P

This happy loyalty won't last however, 2-3 generations down and the grandchildren of the current characters are probably back at scheming and bickering with the other major houses.
 

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1 hour ago, jcmontea said:

Targaryen - the restoration is real 

Dany is queen but not under her name, Jon is legitimate but not a Stark, two Targaryens back in power but without the stigma, dramatic irony and a bittersweet ending. A new sigil too. (White rose + Red rose = Tudor rose)

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8 minutes ago, TRILOGY said:

(White rose + Red rose = Tudor rose)

Wouldn't a blue rose make more sense?

Jon is not really a Stark/York, so a white rose makes no sense, and the red rose was the sigil of the Lancasters/Lannisters, and I can't see why they'd make use of that. The color of House Targaryen is black, not red.
 

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7 minutes ago, MinscS2 said:

Wouldn't a blue rose make more sense?

Jon is not really a Stark/York, so a white rose makes no sense, and the red rose was the sigil of the Lancasters/Lannisters, and I can't see why they'd make use of that. The color of House Targaryen is black, not red.
 

https://www.interweave.com/wp-content/uploads/01_Roses.jpg

It's symbolic, it doesn't have to be a direct parallel. 

ETA: It can be a wolf and a dragon, I'm just using it as an example. 

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22 minutes ago, TRILOGY said:

Dany is queen but not under her name, Jon is legitimate but not a Stark, two Targaryens back in power but without the stigma, dramatic irony and a bittersweet ending. A new sigil too. (White rose + Red rose = Tudor rose)

Could be. A sigil similar to Joffrey’s where there is a dragon and wolf instead of his stag and lion would be rather fitting. Very curious how this shakes out. Watching the scene in the Dragonpit with Dany and Jon I got the sense it was foreshadowing a re-birth for their house but it wouldn’t be surpising if they actually created a new House for the reasons you mentioned. 

43 minutes ago, MinscS2 said:

All major houses except Targaryen may end up legally extinct, if not by blood, then at least by name, which would technically break the wheel, and we'd get a feudal system where the vassals are loyal to the crown and not to wardens/paramounts who are likely to rebel against the crown, meaning less wars and happier common folk.

- Martell and Tyrell are already gone in the show.
- Arryn might be about to go extinct, because Robin may die before having any children, or he may simply be impotent sexually as well as physically. Either way, we all know something is wrong with that kid.
- Tully is alive in Edmure, but ...where the f*ck is Edmure? I'd be slightly disappointed but not at all surprised if the show swiped him under the rug.
- They (as in Jon/Dany) may legitimize Gendry, but from a political and long-term standpoint, they really shouldn't. Alot of potential drama would end if house Baratheon went extinct. 
- Stark won't be extinct by blood, but if Bran doesn't snap out of his 3ER-form after the war, the last male heir won't father any children. It's possible that Sansa/Arya will keep the Stark name for themselves and their children if they marry, but that's not the norm in Westeros afaik.
- Tyrion may or may not end up having children with someone, but let's be honest for one second; He's not very young and he's had a really shitty experience with love. Him being in a position to end house Lannister and doing so would also be the ultimate middle-finger to Tywin, who only cared about the family legacy.

Edit: Of course, the exact opposite might happen and we'll get with wardens/paramounts who are all extremely loyal to the crown/Jon and Daenerys.

- Samwell as warden of the Reach.
- Tyrion as warden of the Westerlands.
- Gendry as warden of the Stormlands.
- Sansa as wardeness of the North.
- Robin as warden of the Vale.
- Edmure as warden of the Riverlands.
(- Yara/Theon ruler of the Iron Islands.)
...and as always, who the f*ck cares about Dorne. :P

This happy loyalty won't last however, 2-3 generations down and the grandchildren of the current characters are probably back at scheming and bickering with the other major houses.
 

Love the idea of Tyrion just letting the line die as an F*U to Tywin. 

I really like that idea of the great houses being wiped out and a more centralized state taking its place. 

However if i had to bet I think we could be in for your second idea... if for no other reason than I felt they foreshadowed Sam as Warden of the South when Jaime said “when the war is over the queen will need a new warden of the south” and it transitioned to Sam. 

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7 hours ago, MinscS2 said:

- Stark won't be extinct by blood, but if Bran doesn't snap out of his 3ER-form after the war, the last male heir won't father any children. It's possible that Sansa/Arya will keep the Stark name for themselves and their children if they marry, but that's not the norm in Westeros afaik.

Isn't a bit strange that absolutely no one in the Stark family/entourage seems to worry about whether Bran is able or not to procreate?

This should be a major concern in a medieval world where lineage is so important.

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2 hours ago, Nowy Tends said:

Isn't a bit strange that absolutely no one in the Stark family/entourage seems to worry about whether Bran is able or not to procreate?

This should be a major concern in a medieval world where lineage is so important.

Thats interesting. 

Although not sure enough time has passed per say. They spent time thinking he was dead so him coming back is already a big shock. Him not being able to procreate doesn’t introduce a new problem via a vis whent they assumed he would never come back. 

They also, just have so many problems and issues they need to focus and think about that are more pressing than that one. 

What I really found weird was the whole Jon and Sansa dynmaic and what was supposed to happen there. Jon became KitN but does that mean his line would continue the ruling stark line even though Sansa was true born? Having Jon head so quikly to dragonstone resolved that issue. What would have happened had their been no White Walker invasion or Dany has never shown up to westeros... 

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2 hours ago, Nowy Tends said:

Isn't a bit strange that absolutely no one in the Stark family/entourage seems to worry about whether Bran is able or not to procreate?

This should be a major concern in a medieval world where lineage is so important.

Not really, given the circumstances. They're preparing for a world-ending war, so worrying about and discussing how the 16 year old Bran needs to breed in order to carry on the family name at this time and point is probably very low on the list of priorities. 
It should (and probably will) be something they need to discuss after the war (assuming they survive) however.

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1 hour ago, MinscS2 said:

Not really, given the circumstances. They're preparing for a world-ending war, so worrying about and discussing how the 16 year old Bran needs to breed in order to carry on the family name at this time and point is probably very low on the list of priorities. 
It should (and probably will) be something they need to discuss after the war (assuming they survive) however.

From our perspective. Yes. 

From theirs. Not so much. Few have seen the others. And so much bloodshed has already happened cause of funny business with heirs and such. So I say they should be very concerned with who will carry on the Stark names. 

They plan on surviving so this is a part of it. It's like the question of whether or not your king should be on the front lines. Sure, a war takes precedent over whether he has kids or not, but God's help you of he dies before having a kid. 

Brans reproduction capabilities is just as important as this upcoming war. Not saying the war is not serious. Just saying that the matter of having an heir is far more serious than seem to understand. It's up there. It's way up there. 

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2 hours ago, jcmontea said:

Thats interesting. 

Although not sure enough time has passed per say. They spent time thinking he was dead so him coming back is already a big shock. Him not being able to procreate doesn’t introduce a new problem via a vis whent they assumed he would never come back. 

We only have one scene in which Sansa tells him that he is the Lord of Winterfell now (as the last trueborn son) to which Bran says that he can't be lord of anything etc. (btw, not a good idea to oust Jon while he's away negotiating Sansa, it weakens his hand considerably, at least let him return).

 

2 hours ago, jcmontea said:

What I really found weird was the whole Jon and Sansa dynmaic and what was supposed to happen there. Jon became KitN but does that mean his line would continue the ruling stark line even though Sansa was true born? Having Jon head so quikly to dragonstone resolved that issue. What would have happened had their been no White Walker invasion or Dany has never shown up to westeros... 

I suspect Sansa may have expected him to legitimize himself as a Stark sooner or later. At that juncture she thought he was the only brother left to her and perhaps the only way to continue the Stark name. If that were to happen, then in the normal course of things he would be expected to find Sansa a good match somewhere and she would become the lady of that place (with her children inheriting from there). AFAIK she would inherit everything owned by the Boltons already so that makes her an even bigger catch.

Sansa is not entirely pleased with Jon's election, but it creates a conflict for her. It has advantages as well as disadvantages. On the one hand it seems like the best hope for a long-term Stark restoration in the North . On the other she may not like being passed over.

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1 hour ago, MrJay said:

From our perspective. Yes. 

From theirs. Not so much. Few have seen the others. And so much bloodshed has already happened cause of funny business with heirs and such. So I say they should be very concerned with who will carry on the Stark names. 

They plan on surviving so this is a part of it. It's like the question of whether or not your king should be on the front lines. Sure, a war takes precedent over whether he has kids or not, but God's help you of he dies before having a kid. 

Brans reproduction capabilities is just as important as this upcoming war. Not saying the war is not serious. Just saying that the matter of having an heir is far more serious than seem to understand. It's up there. It's way up there. 

Not sure. Bran’s reproductive capabilities are important only if they win the war. Before they win the war they are not important at all. Makes sense to focus on winning the war first and then worry about what only maters in the case of victory when the war is won. There is widom in the old saying don’t count your chickens before they hatch. Planning for the post war world when the war is about to start and there are a thousand other things to be worried about would be some series hubris. 

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33 minutes ago, Hajk1984 said:

 

I suspect Sansa may have expected him to legitimize himself as a Stark sooner or later. At that juncture she thought he was the only brother left to her and perhaps the only way to continue the Stark name. If that were to happen, then in the normal course of things he would be expected to find Sansa a good match somewhere and she would become the lady of that place (with her children inheriting from there). AFAIK she would inherit everything owned by the Boltons already so that makes her an even bigger catch.

Sansa is not entirely pleased with Jon's election, but it creates a conflict for her. It has advantages as well as disadvantages. On the one hand it seems like the best hope for a long-term Stark restoration in the North . On the other she may not like being passed over.

That makes sense

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2 hours ago, Hajk1984 said:

 If that were to happen, then in the normal course of things he would be expected to find Sansa a good match somewhere and she would become the lady of that place (with her children inheriting from there). AFAIK she would inherit everything owned by the Boltons already so that makes her an even bigger catch.

Yes and in this case the question that will soon arise will be that of Robin Arryn's reproductive capability… :rolleyes:

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13 hours ago, jcmontea said:

Love the idea of Tyrion just letting the line die as an F*U to Tywin. 

It would also allow Tyrion to survive the series while ending Tywin's line, both of which seem likely to happen.

In the books, the Lannisters are unlikely to get wiped out, because the Lannisport Lannisters are still very much in the mix, but Tywin's line is very much in danger.

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On 5/10/2017 at 7:45 PM, Megorova said:

Yes, he's important. Because of collateral reasons.

1. He killed first wife of Rhaegar, and his Targaryen children. <- thus Dany is his enemy.

2. He killed Oberyn Martell. <- because of this Dorne joined Dany in her conflict against Cersei.

3. He helped Cersei to kill Margaery and other Tyrells. <- that's why Olenna and The Reach joined Dany.

4. He's one of two people left on Arya's list.

5. He's protecting the other one left on Arya's list.

6. He's archenemy of the Hound. <- the only reason why Hound is still on GOT, is to show to viewers Cleganebowl.

7. After battle against Undead Army will be over, whoever will survive it, will come to kill Cersei. And to get to her, they will have to go thru the Mountain.

And that's how secondary character became cross point of all plot lines. He's like Rome in that old saying - All roads lead to Rome ^_^

It remains a secondary character, a zombie.

. <- The only reason Hound is still on GOT is to show viewers Cleganebowl.

Yes, that's what you believe.
 

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41 minutes ago, The Prince who was not pro said:

It remains a secondary character, a zombie.

. <- The only reason Hound is still on GOT is to show viewers Cleganebowl.

Yes, that's what you believe.
 

Yeah, if that was the case, they'd have done Cleganebowl before

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10 hours ago, Nowy Tends said:

Isn't a bit strange that absolutely no one in the Stark family/entourage seems to worry about whether Bran is able or not to procreate?

This should be a major concern in a medieval world where lineage is so important.

 

Bran's only just shown up again! I don't think the question of whether he'll be up for fathering the next generation of Starks isn't a major concern. If they survive and achieve some peace then, maybe, they'll get a maester in there to examine whether he is capable. Even if he could physically father children, his personality has taken a nosedive since it was randomly decided he was going full-time 3ER.

 

3 hours ago, Newstar said:

It would also allow Tyrion to survive the series while ending Tywin's line, both of which seem likely to happen.

 

I like this idea. As you said, in the books, the cadet branch is still thriving but it would be satisfying to have Tyrion slight his father one last time by refusing to father a son to carry on the line.

 

1 hour ago, Meera of Tarth said:

Yeah, if that was the case, they'd have done Cleganebowl before

Besides, most casual viewers aren't going to know what Cleganebowl is. Personally, I think the reason the Hound was brought back is that he was an already established and popular character.

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Anyone read Blood of the Dragon yet? 

Still reading but a few things stood out to me regarding the GoT endgame: 

- avunculate marriage is still a grey area regarding whether incest or not in westeros. The book explicitly says sibling and parent child is incest and explicityly says cousin cousin is not. Then the High Septon objects to Maegor marrying Aenys daughter, yet also strongly hints that the reason for the objection was not incest and was because he was a Hightower and wanted Maegor to marry a hightower. 

- in both this story and in the Princess and the Queen the Targaryens avoided uniting their  competing claims - Aenys daughter and Maegor here and Rhaenerya and Aegon in the later - through marriage and it ended in disaster. 

- giving blackfyre to someone who is not the King also is a disastrous move. Happened here as well as in Blackfyre rebellion. Will Dany rue letting Jon ride Rhaegal? 

- being the rightful heir does not settle the claim dispute. Just like people claimored for Maegor because he looked like more of a warrior and had the sword, people could easily rally around Dany because she looks like a real Targaryen and is a dragon rider. 

All of this leaves me slightly more confident both Dany and Jon will survive the war against the NK in order for the show to fully milk the drama inherent in two competing Targaryen claims. 

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