GallowKnight Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 This show is really firing on all cylinders this season. That Gyllenhaal monologue was fantastic, she deserves way more recognition for this role than she's been getting. Spoiler I kept waiting for Rudy to make a heel-turn but he never did. He may have been a scummy guy but at least he had principles and integrity. All said and done he's probably one of the most likeable mobsters I have seen on TV. I'm really going to miss this show when it's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Preemptive shame on the Emmys for not recognizing Maggie Gyllenhaal. What is it about David Simon’s work that it goes so unappreciated time after time? (yes I know he’s won a couple awards but it should be way more)The subject matter? All I can say is I agree with everyone that said they’re going to miss this show. It’s easily my favorite thing he’s done since The Wire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbunting Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Watched the last two episodes last night. IMO this has been the best season so far. Figured one of the two mob guys had to go, I assumed Rudy was gonna do the need but it makes sense for it to be the other way around since the "old" Times Square way of life is ending, so are all of the people who have lived that life. Loved Candy's speech, you knew something had happened but now we finally get the whole story straight from her. Lori, Lori, Lori.... seeing people who aren't there, paranoia, getting screwed over by everyone she knows. Spoiler What I said last time about her killing herself seems to be coming. Maybe it's how the series ends, her death is the last one and ends the old ways of Times Square with it. Porn, hookers, bums, bars, rightful property owners all kicked out and the Disney'ification begins as the credits roll. Man I didn't see that issue coming for Mike, he seemed like he would make it out of the series unscathed I gotta go..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I love Black Frankie ”who the fuck is Tuco?” Other than him and Bobby, this was quite a heartbreaking episode. Glad we got to see Big Mike one more time though. It was a nice scene with him and Vince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 8 hours ago, Nictarion said: Other than him and Bobby, this was quite a heartbreaking episode. Glad we got to see Big Mike one more time though. It was a nice scene with him and Vince. Bobby is going to get so screwed on the short. His son isn't telling him that if the tip is wrong and the price goes up that they'll be on the hook for more money. But Lori's story... Spoiler what a gut-punch. I knew it was going to go that way eventually for her, but the suddeness ... man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astromech Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Damn, can we get at least one happy ending for a character? I at least want Vincent to take out Tommy Longo. Lori's arc has been so depressing this season. She just hit rick bottom. And Candy didn't even seem to try to help her, just needed her big star for financing. She was willfully blind to Lori's condition. Spoiler I was actually surprised by how suddenly she just decided to end it. Ugghh, Vincent and Abby's relationship. I'm glad it may finally be over. I was happy Abby called out Goldman during that meeting. What the hell happened to Larry Brown this season? Am I forgetting something from last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 God damn. I am glad that Mike came back or Vince found him. Him just saying he had to go and walking off into the night was really sad. 16 hours ago, Nictarion said: I love Black Frankie You gotta love that he murdered some guy during his brief time in jail and never bothered to mention it before then. 6 hours ago, Astromech said: What the hell happened to Larry Brown this season? Am I forgetting something from last season? No, he was just doing porn at the end of last season. They haven't even mentioned him this season. Though he may have been on the Red Hot poster in candy's office, I didn't notice. He could still pop up in the finale I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martini Sigil Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Oh no... Spoiler Lori I knew it was coming, but still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 20 hours ago, Astromech said: She was willfully blind to Lori's condition. I don't think it was willfull at all. The conversation between them made it clear that Lori's experience of "the life" was utterly different than Candy's, and Candy simply couldn't connect to it or make out from it that Lori was suicidal. On the mob front, does seem to have been right that Tommy used Rudy's taking the blame as a way to get rid of him in the free and clear, but my apprehension that he might go after Vincent wasn't quite right. Makes more sense this way, that he didn't want to get rid of a good earner if he could help it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martini Sigil Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Ran said: I don't think it was willfull at all. The conversation between them made it clear that Lori's experience of "the life" was utterly different than Candy's, and Candy simply couldn't connect to it or make out from it that Lori was suicidal. On the mob front, does seem to have been right that Tommy used Rudy's taking the blame as a way to get rid of him in the free and clear, but my apprehension that he might go after Vincent wasn't quite right. Makes more sense this way, that he didn't want to get rid of a good earner if he could help it. I agree with your first point, but not your second.... My NYC Italian instincts tell me that Vincent is a goner....lol... Tommy will just find someone to replace him, and the show will end with a bullet to Vince's head. ... earner or not. he wacked a made guy's kid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 26 minutes ago, Martini Sigil said: I agree with your first point, but not your second.... My NYC Italian instincts tell me that Vincent is a goner....lol... Tommy will just find someone to replace him, and the show will end with a bullet to Vince's head. ... earner or not. he wacked a made guy's kid... I really don't think so. Vinnie is going to be the guy that got away, the guy who thirty years later tells a couple of screenwriters about him and his twin brother working for the mob around Times Square in the 70s and 80s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Ran said: I really don't think so. Vinnie is going to be the guy that got away, the guy who thirty years later tells a couple of screenwriters about him and his twin brother working for the mob around Times Square in the 70s and 80s. Yeah, they said in the after the episode thing after Frankie's death something like "we never got to meet Frankie." Which makes it sound like they did meet Vincent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 That ending got me. I assume that was abbey walking by at the end on the phone talking like a lawyer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 6 hours ago, RumHam said: Hide contents That ending got me. I assume that was abbey walking by at the end on the phone talking like a lawyer? Spoiler Yes. And her remark on the phone was about making sure her clients had a paper trail to protect themselves, the exact thing that Tommy and Vincent talked about _not_ doing with their cash-only business. Vincent was seeing all the dead, basically, and Abby's still alive and well. Black Frankie going to Baltimore to help his cousin Nathan in the Lexington Terrace projects... that's a fun nod to the real history behind The Wire. Nathan "Bodie" Barksdale was the inspiration for both Avon and Bodie on the show. What a powerful ending, got me too. Terrific musical choice. Sepinwall has a finale interview with Simon. Worth a read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astromech Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 I loved that final sequence of the finale. Very bittersweet. Damn, that sad look on Lori's face. The only one who didn't seem happy. Well, other than CC. But still no Larry Brown? I can't remember whether it was Pelecanos or Simon who stated Vincent was someone haunted by his past. Paraphrasing the statement of course. Pelecanos's line about attrition in this life was also very on point. This season was quite depressing, but I never thought our characters would have happy endings. Spoiler Vincent finding Big Mike was rough. But Vincent's seeing him again in his stroll through modern Times Square was probably my favorite "reunion" of the bunch, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Larry Brown's addressed in the interview -- Gbenga Akinnagbe was busy on Broadway, playing the role of Tom Robinson in Aaron Sorkin's production of To Kill a Mockingbird. In the interview, Simon does speculate that maybe he would have made it to be a small time TV actor, and at one point considered having him show up in a soap opera, but they used that idea for Tod instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Add me as another that got a little choked up during the final scene. I was expecting Vince to put on Eileen’s movie when he was flipping through the porn in his hotel, but finding out she made a great film that got added to the Criterion Collection was a nice surprise. Probably my favorite part of the finale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martini Sigil Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 I was choked up... Holy cow this was a great show... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 I too found a lump in my throat watching the final scene. Some felt it was sentimental, I see, but it's interesting to read the interview and find that Simon and Pelecanos wrote that as their first scene, inspired by their sense that thereal-life Vincent really felt the weight of having outlived so many of the people he knew in that time. So, it worked for me. Simon hasn't made a bad show yet. What a writer and creator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I thought it was abbey, but she seemed too young if Abbey was in college when the show started. I actually couldn't sleep after that ending. Like I'll go right from a horror movie to bed without issue but that fucked me up a bit. That look from Lori. It's horrible and honest that Vince remembers Candy, Ash and Thunder instead of Eileen/Dorthy/Ruby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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